Ask the word of God not man is a great answer and hope will be the bases of all answers given yes that is what we seek after.Suggestion: ask the Word of God!, not men.
Acts 2
37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the HolyGhost. spirit
but First:
John 6: 43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
being called to follow Jesus Christ in not up to men,, the Father chose those He sends to Christ.
all these folks that say all that is necessary is uttering some words, have no clue of the Word of God.
Will be interested in following up on the remainder of your post soon.