Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Your analogy does not fit reality.

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. 1 Timothy 4:10​

Make it fit reality next time, before you try to ask such a question again.

They are so dumb, Lord. Why?

The "all people" in the context of the epistle are Gentiles! Therefore, "all" is used in a qualified (limited) sense, cf. 2:7, since God's commission to Paul was geared specifically to only the Gentiles (Gal 2:7-10).
 
I can see the similarities that an animal had to die to cover thier nakedness. It was in fact the first sacrafice that tought blood is the only way to cover sin. In this case thier embarrassing nakedness. And that the blood had to be sinless. Which animals by thier nature are.

Christ sacrifice on the cross was sufficient for every many woman and child in the world if that is how it would of ended up working. However it dosent. So it is sufficient to whosoever calls on his name. Whether that be 10 people or 10 billion.
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not the coats ... the sacrifice of the animal from which the coats were made ... without shedding of blood is no remission ... the coats covered their shame.

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So, then, you believe that Christ's atoning work on the Cross is also efficacious for all for whom He died?
 
Yes, I know, but it was great - you laid it all out - and there's no way they can refute it - well, no doubt they will try in their perverted way, but the facts will stand. Thanks for posting.

Yes cherry picked phrases strung together paying no attention to the original intent, the context or the original

language, that is exactly how to create a false system called TULIP.

Beyond belief how sloppily people who adhere to TULIP treat scripture, by necessity I guess, since the entire system is false.

Tulip is dying, 🥀 slowly but surely, people are testifying in real time and virtually how they are abandoning the system, how much damage it did to them,... look around it is over.

Pastors are being vetted before they are hired to make sure they are not covert Calvinists.

There are so many good teachers who know the Greek and proper hermeneutics laying it to rest, thank God!
 
No he is not. God's Gift of Salvation is Given as an inheritance. Those who receive salvation are heirs. No one can choose to be someone heir.

God makes them an heir because they received the gift, more twisting, keep trying, the benefits which succeed the gift are not the same as the gift, the gift is salvation.
 
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The NT teaches that everyone who humbles himself, repents and believes in Jesus as Messiah and the Lord incarnate will be saved
or given a new heart/the Holy Spirit/desire to love everyone.

But the unregenerate are not humble by nature. And the reason they aren't is because God has never poured his Agape Love into their hearts to love Him. Only this kind of love does not boast, is not arrogant, is not proud.
 
Yes cherry picked phrases strung together paying no attention to the original intent, the context or the original

language, that is exactly how to create a false system called TULIP.

Beyond belief how sloppily people who adhere to TULIP treat scripture, by necessity I guess, since the entire system is false.

Tulip is dying, 🥀 slowly but surely, people are testifying in real time and virtually how they are abandoning the system, how much damage it did to them,... look around it is over.

Pastors are being vetted before they are hired to make sure they are not covert Calvinists.

There are so many good teachers who know the Greek and proper hermeneutics laying it to rest, thank God!

You do excel at boasting in fallible men, don't you, as though their teachings are inspired by the Spirit of God?
 
Calvinism in simple terms:

God created a world where you can only want Him if He wants you

and there’s literally nothing you can do about it ... but it’s still your fault.
 
yep ...

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost

and once the gospel is revealed, it is no longer "hid" ... those who remain lost are the ones who suppress the truth in unrighteousness when the gospel is revealed.

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So...when Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers/lost so that they CANNOT see the light of the gospel (2Cor 4:4), it nonetheless remains unveiled to them?
 
Yes cherry picked phrases strung together paying no attention to the original intent, the context or the original

language, that is exactly how to create a false system called TULIP.

Beyond belief how sloppily people who adhere to TULIP treat scripture, by necessity I guess, since the entire system is false.

Tulip is dying, 🥀 slowly but surely, people are testifying in real time and virtually how they are abandoning the system, how much damage it did to them,... look around it is over.

Pastors are being vetted before they are hired to make sure they are not covert Calvinists.

There are so many good teachers who know the Greek and proper hermeneutics laying it to rest, thank God!

That's completely ridiculous. Your posts and those of your ilk, aren't hidden from us - we know what you've said. If your "good teachers" led you to the beliefs you hold, you better try to get a refund from them if you can and find yourself some new teachers.
 
So, then, you believe that Christ's atoning work on the Cross is also efficacious for all for whom He died?
"all for whom He died" ...

Scripture is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ...


John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


whosoever believeth receives the blessing ...

whosoever suppresses the truth in unrighteousness receives the consequence ...


Rom 1:16-19

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it
[the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

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Calvinism in simple terms:

God created a world where you can only want Him if He wants you

and there’s literally nothing you can do about it ... but it’s still your fault.

That's because the God-hating world literally doesn't want anything to do with wanting the God of the bible. The world needs the efficacy of God's saving grace, e.g. circumcised heart, Fear of the Lord, Agape Love within their hearts.
 
folks are here discussing Scripture ... not "continuously citing scripture against" Magenta (or anyone else for that matter) ...

It may be that the Bible Discussion Forum is not a good place for those who find the discussion upsetting ... or get their feelings hurt to the point that they say things they ought not to say.

and let's take your opinion above ... for arguments sake if Magenta is continuously citing Scripture against [fill in the blank], and if Magenta has for a long time, how is [fill in the blank] suppose to feel when that's all that many other people do.

Those who are strong in the Lord clothe themselves with the whole armor of God in order to stand and withstand against the wiles of the devil ... God protects believers ... and God is much better at protecting believers than I or you ...

Ephesians 6:10-14

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God





are you her ambassador? ... Magenta can clear the matter up herself ... she can PM me if she does not want to deal with the issue in the open forum ... or better yet, resist the urge to lie about others ... if she is upset over something posted by someone, walk away until she is again at peace in her heart.





please provide the post submitted by me wherein I've "upset" Magenta. If I lied or falsely accused her, I will apologize.

However, in her post wherein she claimed I "entered the thread breathing lies and falsely accusing", she flat out told me not to "expect [her] to try to find all [my] lies" ...

how convenient ... lie about someone, then tell the person not to expect them to provide any proof corroborating their lie.





does that apply only to me? does that not apply to you, to Magenta, to her friends?

look through the pages of this thread ... there are pages and pages of slurs against fellow believers ...

James 3:2-10

2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

3 Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.

4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.

5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!

6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:

8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.


is it okay to treat others poorly as long as we don't upset Magenta and her friends? is that what you're saying Jordon? I do not believe so, but asking because thus far you have not acknowledged that behavior which is unbecoming occurs on both sides.





again, it goes both ways, Jordon. Do you deny that?





Have you read the first 10 posts I submitted in this thread? ... did I lie? ... did I falsely accuse?

who is the father of lies, Jordon ...

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I haven't read the ten posts at present I've read a couple, and I did have concerns like the first one you mention you said righteousness was imputed to abram, I thought it was counted unto him ? Was you saying that because of his own actions

But are you sure she was calling you a liar directly, maybe just like anyone else, a persons understanding of scripture can lie.

And I've read enough posts in this thread and seen that cone across many times,

But magenta has been called a liar many times by the crew your have supporting here also,

But I know at times your understandings and my understanding have not reached any full agreement either, so somewhere there is an untruth, and gee wizz, and if im wrong and dont handle being called a liar over it, I really can't be that well grounded in his word to be honest,

And may I ask do you believe you have been perfectly indoctrinated, so much so you can never be wrong, ?
 
That's completely ridiculous. Your posts and those of your ilk, aren't hidden from us - we know what you've said. If your "good teachers" led you to the beliefs you hold, you better try to get a refund from them if you can and find yourself some new teachers.

Here is one of your leaders....
I just wonder how much you guys would affirm this sentiment if it was your grandchild or child who was raped, tortured for hours and murdered.

All good in the abstract....put it into reality and it not so sweet smelling at all.


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"all for whom He died" ...

Scripture is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ...

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


whosoever believeth receives the blessing ...

whosoever suppresses the truth in unrighteousness receives the consequence ...

Rom 1:16-19

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

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That's not what I asked you. Let's try one more time: God's shedding of animal blood in the Garden to supply their skins as coverings for A&E sins is considered by many here to be an efficacious atonement in an of itself. After all, God performed that act BEFORE there was any expression of faith or repentance on the part of A&E. So...when we come to the Cross of Christ, was there any efficacy in that work, in and of itself, for everyone for whom Christ died?
 
Here is one of your leaders....
I just wonder how much you guys would affirm this sentiment if it was your grandchild or child who was raped, tortured for hours and murdered.

All good in the abstract....put it into reality and it not so sweet smelling at all.


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Wrong. I have no leader but God as He is revealed in and by Scripture. You don't get to make that determination for or about me.
 
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So...when Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers/lost so that they CANNOT see the light of the gospel (2Cor 4:4), it nonetheless remains unveiled to them?
God has revealed the gospel of Christ which is the power of God unto salvation in His written Word (Rom 1:16).

God sends His faithful ministers to preach the gospel of Christ (1 Cor 1:21).

Those who believe receive the blessing.

Those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness receive the consequence.

Romans 1:16-19

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Do you believe satan is more powerful than God ?

Those who reject will have no excuse ... when giving an account, they will not be able to say "satan deceived me" ... they have no excuse.

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That's because the God-hating world literally doesn't want anything to do with wanting the God of the bible. The world needs the efficacy of God's saving grace, e.g. circumcised heart, Fear of the Lord, Agape Love within their hearts.

god created people to hate him, that makes sense.

Oh right, that is how he glorifies himself.