The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[pinebeach]

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

The problem with wanting to point to the Ark of the Covenant, is that it is Old Testament covenant made with the Israelites and not with believers of the New Covenant in Christ. Of course, and has been said many times by Christians on this site and in response to vassal, the commandments are all valid but they are impossible to keep as God demands. That, is why Jesus is the fullfillment of the law. He never sinned and because of His punishment on our behalf, God's wrath at sin is satisfied.

If we are IN Christ (not on the outside holding onto the law and ignoring all scripture that details what actual salvation is) then we are justified at the moment of our salvation. We are to 'walk in the Spirit' meaning to be led by the Spirit of God and not focus on the commandments that are not applicable for salvation; not a part of salvation, but are valid in regards to illustrating the holiness of God and reminding us of how much we are to be thankful to God for providing a way out of our sin predicament. This is called sanctification and is an ongoing process throughout our lives

It is more than absurd to keep insisting the 10 commandments are the covenant. That is a lie that is not found in scripture. Jesus shed blood alone has provided restitution because he alone lived a sinless life. The OT sacrificial system was never able to forgive sin, animal blood does not make restitution for people and animals suffer alike in this sinful world. Thanks

The writer of Hebrews instructs believers to have boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus (Hebrews 10:19).2 Based on a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as God and Savior, the Christian can enter into the very presence of God through the blood of Jesus Christ. Christ ever liveth to make intercession (Hebrews 7:25) for those trusting in His payment of a debt that, as sinners, they could never pay. Therefore, those who are being sanctified3 through the blood of Jesus have immediate access into the presence of God because Christ appears in the presence of God for us (Hebrews 9:12–14, 24).

The basis for the intercession is due to Christ being the propitiation (satisfaction) for sinners. He intercedes by means of His once-for-all bloody sacrifice upon Calvary’s cross. The blood that was shed in His voluntary death is the basis by which He cried, It is finished (John 19:30) and the basis for reconciliation with God.

It is because He is the actual mercy seat, or place of propitiation, that Jesus Christ entered the heavenlies to take up His rightful position as Lord over all. His office as the believer’s High Priest is not due to His shed blood being preserved somewhere in heaven or even offered upon the heavenly mercy seat. Rather the sufficiency of His shed blood on Calvary’s cross, as the sinners’ substitute, is the means by which He entered heaven and the means by which believers can also boldly enter the eternal presence of God having been sanctified by grace through faith in the merits of the death of Jesus (Hebrews 10:19–22).
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But Jesus is not the only benefit we receive, God has written His laws (the ten commandments) into our hearts AND also gave us His Holy Spirit so that they are not a burden to us when we can actually obey them. He really does make all this easy!

It's not complicated. Lean on the Holy Spirit to help you obey the commandments God has always wanted for us to obey and you'll be able to do them!

 

[vassal]

Hint hint. The commandments are not choices and you cannot obey them with or without Christ which is why he died in your place.

I noticed how you have switched to distractions and little games to take the heat off. It's not working

You are right I not longer need you distracting me, from teaching the truth of scripture. From now on I place you on ignore. I have other things to do and other people to answer to, those who at least have a minimum of respect. Do you remember Jesus said to love one another? it is why I try to help you but Jesus was clear;

“And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.”
Matthew 10:14 (NKJV)

This shows that Jesus told the disciple to faithfully share the message, like I did with all of you here but if people reject it, the responsibility is on the hearers. The disciples were to move on, leaving judgment to God. I do the same here

also in Mark 6:11:

“And if any place will not receive you or listen to you, when you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them.”

Jesus’ words carry authority, and rejection of them has consequences, but the disciples themselves were not to force acceptance, they are simply to faithfully deliver the message as I try to do here as best I can.

 

[pinebeach]

You are right I not longer need you distracting me, from teaching the truth of scripture. From now on I place you on ignore. I have other things to do and other people to answer to, those who at least have a minimum of respect. Do you remember Jesus said to love one another? it is why I try to help you but Jesus was clear;

“And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.”
Matthew 10:14 (NKJV)

This shows that Jesus told the disciple to faithfully share the message, like I did with all of you here but if people reject it, the responsibility is on the hearers. The disciples were to move on, leaving judgment to God. I do the same here

also in Mark 6:11:

“And if any place will not receive you or listen to you, when you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them.”

Jesus’ words carry authority, and rejection of them has consequences, but the disciples themselves were not to force acceptance, they are simply to faithfully deliver the message as I try to do here as best I can.

I have no problem with the words of Christ as I have demonstrated over and over. I am a Christian and I know what the gospel is.

You have no authority over anyone here and this is not a teaching platform. I am blessed to say I do not receive your words but I have received the words of Jesus and all that He has promised to those who love Him and follow Him.

 

[mailmandan]

You are right I not longer need you distracting me, from teaching the truth of scripture. From now on I place you on ignore. I have other things to do and other people to answer to, those who at least have a minimum of respect. Do you remember Jesus said to love one another? it is why I try to help you but Jesus was clear;

“And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.”
Matthew 10:14 (NKJV)

This shows that Jesus told the disciple to faithfully share the message, like I did with all of you here but if people reject it, the responsibility is on the hearers. The disciples were to move on, leaving judgment to God. I do the same here

also in Mark 6:11:

“And if any place will not receive you or listen to you, when you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them.”

Jesus’ words carry authority, and rejection of them has consequences, but the disciples themselves were not to force acceptance, they are simply to faithfully deliver the message as I try to do here as best I can.

Your implication here is that pinebeech has rejected the words of Jesus and will not be saved. Read all Matthew 10:14-15 and all of Mark 6:11.

Matthew 10:14 - And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. 15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!

Mark 6:11 - And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!”

You relentlessly talk about the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment) but I don't hear you talking very much about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Pease explain to me what YOU believe the gospel IS and also what YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel.

 

[TMS]

And you can kidnap children commit sorcery, walk around drunk all day.

Afflict widows and orphans because according to you the law is void?

I said the shadow laws, cerimonials, were void. The laws that were a type of the ministry of Jesus were made void..

To kidnap is to Steal...
To commit sorcery is to have other God's
To get drunk is clearly pointed out as sin in the bible, it is murder of self, and you have made Alcohol a god in your life.
Afflicting widows and orphans is murder and stealing or not loving thy neighbour as yourself.

Sin is clearly defined.

 

[TMS]

And you can kidnap children commit sorcery, walk around drunk all day.

Afflict widows and orphans because according to you the law is void?

To know the laws. The 10 commandments and the bible teachings is important.

Love is the foundation.
Jesus is the Supreme example
The 10 commandments are an expanded understanding of God's love and the bible is an even deeper understanding of God's love.
One law does not contradict another. They add to each other and help us understand what righteousness is.

I have never said the 10 is the only thing we need. God gave us the whole Bible.

I'm just promoting the 10 commandments because many of you are saying they are made void, or changed, or replaced...

 

[TMS]

This is legalism, Judaism, and heresy.

Here is what you wrote.

Jesus showed that eternal life is not earned by wealth or words, but by living in obedience to God’s law. The commandments are the practical way to love God and love others.

You just said that eternal life is by living according to the law. That is heresy.

You are not under the grace of Jesus Christ.

You are missing the point....

God has said plainly that those that DO AND OBEY will be saved.. is God teaching legalism?

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

1Jn 3:3-6
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

God longs for us to obey.
He knows how much pain sin causes.

Love for God is the motivating point.
The point you miss is that if we LOVE GOD WE WILL OBEY. Not to earn or gain salvation by our own effort. Not by our works are we saved.. but we obey and do God's will because we love Him..

JOHN 14:15. Obedience is a fruit of love.
Obedience is the outcome of a close relationship with Jesus.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yeah well the miscommunication here, is with the Bible. It is really enlighting to read that he tries to say that Jesus only began salvation, but the commandments finish it and that is the covenant. The 10 commandments are the covenant.

People really need to brush up on their Bible knowledge if they think the mashup of old and new testaments presented is what is actually in the Bible. Saying that Jesus is not the way to salvation is pretty close to blasphemy if not already so.

“Yeah well the miscommunication here, is with the Bible. It is really enlighting to read that he tries to say that Jesus only began salvation, but the commandments finish it and that is the covenant. The 10 commandments are the covenant.”

yes there are alot of different ideas in public discussion forums that I disagree with and sometimes ones I agree with it’s like that here in this forum.

“Not Jesus, oh no, apparently he could not finish the job Himself and when He said 'IT IS FINISHED' it was not true.”

his suffering for sin on the cross and biblical fuflilment of the law and prophets you mean ?

here’s the thing it’s up to an individual whether they want to yoke the law upon themselves some do that the New Testament warns against it not because it’s “ evil “ or “anti christ “ but because they are heaping up a heavy and hard yoke no one has ever borne and lived to tell about it it’s a requirement once you adhere to it obey every word of it .

The issue is see in these types of discussions Is be might insist “ keep the sabbath holy it’s a ten commandment “ okay but have they ever made themselves food or picked some fruit on a sabbath ? Have they stoked a fire in thier home on a sabbath ? Ect what I mean is they try to separate the Ten Commandments ( covenant law ) and then seperate out the laws and judgements attatched to the commandments . They’re trying to make the New Testament another version of the old but they get to define how to “ keep a sabbath holy “ they don’t have to follow Moses word about the sabbath throughout the law but they get to determine what keeps it holy

it becomes thier own judgement rather than the mediators judgement in his written law

what I mean is they try to take the commandments out of a whole law designed to be word for word and the commandments are what the rest is built on ( in the old ) the new is built on Christ Jesus his word from the Mount and his death and resurrection on our behalf . The two covenant words don’t go into the same covenant basket they are often contrary wheras you can’t follow Jesus word and also Moses word ….

technically it doesn’t belong and doesn’t operate with the other they are contrary strop many points

jesus doesn’t teach us to steal he teaches us to deal honestly and share with others work for what we have . This means if we follow his word we do t even need to know there was such a thing as a rock saying “ don’t steal “

the New Testament doctrine is far far better

 

[Pilgrimshope]

To know the laws. The 10 commandments and the bible teachings is important.

Love is the foundation.
Jesus is the Supreme example
The 10 commandments are an expanded understanding of God's love and the bible is an even deeper understanding of God's love.
One law does not contradict another. They add to each other and help us understand what righteousness is.

I have never said the 10 is the only thing we need. God gave us the whole Bible.

I'm just promoting the 10 commandments because many of you are saying they are made void, or changed, or replaced...

Obsolete actually because we have a better word now

 

[pinebeach]

I said the shadow laws, cerimonials, were void. The laws that were a type of the ministry of Jesus were made void..

Stay out of the shadow lands people. Stay out of the shadowlands.

 

[pinebeach]

But Jesus is not the only benefit we receive, God has written His laws (the ten commandments) into our hearts AND also gave us His Holy Spirit so that they are not a burden to us when we can actually obey them. He really does make all this easy!

It's not complicated. Lean on the Holy Spirit to help you obey the commandments God has always wanted for us to obey and you'll be able to do them!

I have honestly never heard Jesus described as a 'benefit' before. Actually you are right. Salvation is not complicated but Jesus described as a benefit just makes me cringe.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I have honestly never heard Jesus described as a 'benefit' before. Actually you are right. Salvation is not complicated but Jesus described as a benefit just makes me cringe.

Yes, completely ignore that God has given you the Holy Spirit and no longer have a viable excuse not to obey His commandments.

 

[Inquisitor]

“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Matthew 19:17 (NKJV)

when will this verse of Jesus sink in Inquisitor?

Notice that Jesus does not say “obey to earn life” like paying a debt. He says that the commandments are the practical way to love God and others, and this love is the evidence of trusting and following Him. Obedience flows from a heart transformed by God, not from trying to earn life by effort.

Contrary to your incessant babbling and here is what you wrote.

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“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Matthew 19:17 (NKJV)

when will this verse of Jesus sink in Inquisitor?
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Matthew 19:18-19
Then he said to Him, “Which ones?”
And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal;
You shall not give false testimony; Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Are you talking about the 10 commandments or the ceremonial law?

Because "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” is not one of the 10 commandments
that Jesus specified. That is the second greatest commandment in the law.

You then stated.

Notice that Jesus does not say “obey to earn life” like paying a debt. He says that the commandments are the practical way to love God and others.

On the contrary and yet again.

Matthew 19:17
...but if you want to enter life, keep the commandments.

Jesus does not say anything about the practical way to love God.

Why are you always wrong?

 

[vassal]

To know the laws. The 10 commandments and the bible teachings is important.

Love is the foundation.
Jesus is the Supreme example
The 10 commandments are an expanded understanding of God's love and the bible is an even deeper understanding of God's love.
One law does not contradict another. They add to each other and help us understand what righteousness is.

I have never said the 10 is the only thing we need. God gave us the whole Bible.

I'm just promoting the 10 commandments because many of you are saying they are made void, or changed, or replaced...

I do the exact same thing for the very same reason and I totally agree!

 

[TMS]

Obsolete actually because we have a better word now

So which law is God talking about?

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 15:6 Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

All these verses are talking about commandments... can you prove that non of them are the 10 commandments.

Are all the commandments talked about new commandments.

To say the commandments are Obsolete is a big call and goes against the word of God.. your carnal nature may desire the laws to be Obsolete but your flesh does not change the truth.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

My carnal flesh hates the law of God and wants to forget about it. But the Holy Spirit delights in the law..

Rom 8:3-7
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

 

[vassal]

Contrary to your incessant babbling and here is what you wrote.

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“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Matthew 19:17 (NKJV)

when will this verse of Jesus sink in Inquisitor?
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Matthew 19:18-19
Then he said to Him, “Which ones?”
And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal;
You shall not give false testimony; Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Are you talking about the 10 commandments or the ceremonial law?

Because "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” is not one of the 10 commandments
that Jesus specified. That is the second greatest commandment in the law.

You then stated.

Notice that Jesus does not say “obey to earn life” like paying a debt. He says that the commandments are the practical way to love God and others.

On the contrary and yet again.

Matthew 19:17
...but if you want to enter life, keep the commandments.

Jesus does not say anything about the practical way to love God.

Why are you always wrong?

Here you go again, trying to create confusion where Jesus spoke plainly.

Let us read the passage in full, without cutting it apart.

“Now behold, one came and said to Him, ‘Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?’
So He said to him, ‘Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.’
He said to Him, ‘Which ones?’
Jesus said, ‘You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
The young man said to Him, ‘All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?’
Jesus said to him, ‘If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.’
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.”
Matthew 19:16–22 (NKJV)

Now let us understand what Jesus is doing.

Jesus was not picking and choosing commandments, and He was not replacing the Law. He was answering the man’s question step by step.

First, notice this clearly.
Jesus says, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
There is no debate here. Jesus ties entering life to keeping God’s commandments.

When the man asks, “Which ones?”, Jesus lists commandments from the Ten Commandments.
Murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, honoring parents. These are all directly from Exodus 20.

Then Jesus adds, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

This is not a different law. Jesus Himself explained that this command summarizes how the commandments are lived out toward others.

Jesus already taught this:

“You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
Matthew 22:37–40 (NKJV)

So when Jesus says, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” He is not adding a new commandment outside the Ten Commandments. He is showing how the commandments toward other people are to be lived. You do not murder, steal, lie, or commit adultery because you love your neighbor. Love is the heart, the commandments are the actions.

And notice something very important.
Jesus does not repeat the command to love God first at this moment, not because it is unimportant, but because the young man already claimed he had kept the visible commandments toward others. Jesus is testing whether he truly loves God above all.

That is why Jesus then says:

“If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
Matthew 19:21 (NKJV)

This exposes the man’s heart.
He kept rules on the outside, but he did not love God more than his possessions. His money was his god.

This proves the opposite of what you are claiming.
Jesus is showing that all the commandments matter, including loving God first. If the man truly loved God above all, he would have followed Jesus.

And when the man walks away, Jesus does not correct Himself. He does not say, “Wait, you misunderstood, commandments do not matter.” Instead, Jesus lets him go and then teaches the disciples how hard it is for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God (Matthew 19:23–24).

So no, Jesus is not saying “obey to earn life like paying a debt.”
He is saying that obedience shows where your heart is. Commandments are not coins you pay to God. They are the path of those who truly love Him.

Jesus taught the same thing elsewhere:

“If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
John 14:15 (NKJV)

Love and obedience are not enemies. They belong together.

So the problem is not Jesus’ words.
The problem is trying to separate what Jesus joined.

Jesus never taught faith without obedience.
He never taught love without commandments.
He never taught grace without truth.

His words are clear, simple, and consistent.

“Whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock.”
Matthew 7:24 (NKJV)

That is Jesus’ teachings, simple and to the point. Except perhaps for the parables but there is a reason for that but this story is Not a parable so you SHOULD understand it clearly.

I have SO Much more to tell all of you of if only you would listen. But soon I will continue to teach the gospel of Christ what he did and why, ( yes @mailmandan I will cover Christ our Lord's crucifixion in detail what it fully means) I will tell you about the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus preached, and many other things. but I had to start with the commandments as they so important for salvation and help us to live properly in GOD's eyes, and do His will.

Back later, going to sleep a bit.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So which law is God talking about?

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 15:6 Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

All these verses are talking about commandments... can you prove that non of them are the 10 commandments.

Are all the commandments talked about new commandments.

To say the commandments are Obsolete is a big call and goes against the word of God.. your carnal nature may desire the laws to be Obsolete but your flesh does not change the truth.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

My carnal flesh hates the law of God and wants to forget about it. But the Holy Spirit delights in the law..

Rom 8:3-7
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

you seem to be cutting out a lot

“So which law is God talking about?”

you tell me which law it’s talking about ?

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, ( dead to one married to another ) even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. ( that’s what Jesus and Paul teach about Jesus word in the gospel )

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;

that we should serve in newness of spirit,

and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:5-7‬ ‭

We know he’s talking about the commandment Thou shalt not covet in the law have to examine the context like that think about it for a second brother …..if you have a corrupt people that have served in Egypt 400 years learning idolatry ….killing lying stealing …..you have to teach them killing is a sin dont do it leads to death “not to kill each other not to commit adultery not to commit idolatry ect ect

that’s not the gospel that’s the Old Testament law for people who never were offered the Holy Ghost or atonement through the blood of Christ the true lamb of atonement. If you learn Jesus word you’ll know his law this one


“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Have you ever read moses law ? And then the gospel ? Pretty enlightening read

 

[TMS]

Jesus is the great teacher
He is the best example.

He kept the sabbath holy and all the 10 commandments.

The law is spiritual.. if you keep it in the Spirit of God by the Spirit of God you are keeping it in the right way.

It is clear that the 10 commandments are promoted in many new Testament verses.

You can not say they are not important after the cross. You can't say they are removed.

Jesus said to keep them, Paul said they are Good. So how do you make sense of this... ???

By understanding which laws are nailed to the cross and what it means to be free from the law or not to be under the law.

Don't twist the scripture to make it fit your concepts or your ideas.

The 10 commandments are not changed or removed but Jesus has paid the penalty for sin. We are not under the law and we can not keep it in our own strength. But by the Spirit we can keep it because we love to obey the Lord and want to be like our saviour.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[GWH]

Here is a complement to the opening post

Jesus and the Unchanging Law

The foundation of the new covenant must begin with the words of Jesus Himself. Jesus never taught that God’s commandments were removed, replaced, or made optional. Instead, He clearly taught that they remain, but are now lived from the heart.

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said:
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”
Matthew 5:17–18 (NKJV)
Jesus makes it clear that the law does not disappear. Heaven and earth still remain, so the law still remains. What changes is not the law itself, but how it is lived and fulfilled in the life of the believer.

Jesus then warns against treating the commandments lightly:
“Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Matthew 5:19 (NKJV)
Obedience matters, and teaching obedience matters. Jesus connects faithfulness to God’s commandments with faithfulness to God’s kingdom.

The commandments were not a side topic in Jesus’ teaching. They were central. When people asked Him the most important question, how to live and please God, Jesus answered with the commandments. He said:
“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.”
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Matthew 22:37–39 (NKJV)
Then He added:
“On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
Matthew 22:40 (NKJV)
Everything Jesus taught rests on the commandments. His parables, warnings, and instructions all point back to loving God and loving others through obedience.

Jesus also showed that the law was always meant to reach the heart, not just outward actions. When He spoke about murder, adultery, truth, and forgiveness, He said:
“You have heard that it was said to those of old… But I say to you…”
Matthew 5:21–48 (NKJV, selected)
Jesus did not cancel the commandments here. He brought out their true depth and meaning. He taught that the law is fulfilled when it is written inside a person, exactly as God promised through the prophets.
Jesus made the connection between love and obedience very clear:
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
John 14:15 (NKJV)
Love does not replace obedience. Love leads to obedience.

When asked about eternal life, Jesus again pointed to the commandments:
“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Matthew 19:17 (NKJV)
So when we speak about the new covenant, we must begin where Jesus begins. The commandments remain the foundation. What is new is that through Christ, they are written on the heart, lived out in love, and guided from within rather than forced from outside.

You speak as though Christians should be Jews, but you should beware of being a Judaizer, who perverts the Gospel by reverting to salvation via works/obeying OT laws (Gal. 1:9). The Sabbath Law (4th of the TCs) requiring execution of breakers including Jesus' disciples was NOT part of the moral commandments re-commanded in the NT but rather it was part of the Levitical law in the OC that was superseded because it fulfilled its purpose when Jesus was crucified (Rom. 3:20).

NT morality manifests God's loving Holy Spirit indwelling those who cooperate with His desire for fellowship, so their righteousness reflects divine love rather than obeys divine commands (Rom. 5:5). The gospel of Christ is NOT constructing a new collection of laws reprising the OT but merely noting what spiritual fruit of love tastes like (Gal. 5:22-23). This is indicated by Jesus in his sermon on the mount when he essentially equates anger with murder and urges reconciliation/love (Matt. 5:21-24).

The OT laws temporarily separated the Jews from the Gentiles until fulfilled by Jesus (Matt. 5:17), who replaced them with His Holy Spirit through whom believers manifest God's love for everyone (Rom. 7:6). You should begin with the words of Jesus in John 19:30,
"It (the OC) is finished (fulfilled)" and then continue with the rest of God's Word:

"The former regulation [Levitical law] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant." (Heb. 7:11, 18a & 22b).
“A new commandment I give you: Love one another as I have loved you.” (John 13:34a)
"God has poured out His love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit he has given us." (Rom. 5:5)
"He who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law/commandments." (Rom. 13:8b)