If you believe you can lose salvation........It becomes meritorious works.
You are QUENCHING the Spirit.
Loss of salvation???
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You are QUENCHING the Spirit.
I understand your free-grace theology.
So, by living a responsive, cooperative life of continual obedient faith and spiritual growth, I'm quenching the Spirit?
HE will draw all people and all have their opportunity for salvation..........You agree and we don't even have to post a scripture.
We will NEVER perish.......BUT/AND/IF for the loss of salvation crowd
Yes. SERIOUSLY think.
Who would tell you that salvation could be lost?..............Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,
Pretty sure it is not the Holy Spirit.
That is SOOOOOOO easy.....
We will never perish.
We will never, NO NOT EVER come into condemnation.......Look into this one "One at a time". A double negative in "never.'
We are born of IMPERISHABLE seed.
We HAVE eternal life.
We have a forever advocate.......Arguably the most intimate and "friend" eternal security verse.
We have "loss of salvation" beliefs and Christian morons because they act like the calvies when the word says NEVER PERISH.
If we follow him, which means doing what he says
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:27-28
Are you pleading with me in caps or reprimanding me?
So, take me through the doctrine of sealing and tell me why it cannot be given up.
Correct me if I'm wrong, you are against "calvies" and see free will in being saved, but are with calvies and against free will in walking away from salvation?
A Christian will never perish if they remain with God. But we've all seen or read accounts of some Christians who willingly choose to walk away from God. Jesus isn't going to force them to stay. Therefore, they are out of his protection from condemnation. Because all the benefits are in Christ alone. They don't stay with a person if they leave him.
Scriptures please. One at a time.
I note @ChristRoseFromTheDead is addressing John10 re: His sheep. Any comments? Any thoughts about how to classify the present indicative tenses?
Quit with the "poor me" questions. We all know why the calvies and the loss of salvation crowd uses them.
NEVER PERISH......Deal with it. And you won't and can't.
One thing is for sure...........You cannot call yourself His Sheep.
His Sheep never perish.
Sure, poor me...
Actually, it's out of respect for you and your base that I don't respond to you as I do to some others.
Personal attacks aren't worthy of continued respect, nor do they do anything to support your thinking about the Word of God.
You know, I studied the original languages and many of the nuances. One has to look very close to the clause that the
"present" tense is in..........And this ONE of them. What can you tell me?
Because I KNOW it is not about any "present" condition of salvation.
So if someone follows Jesus and does what he says, but believes he can perish if he stops following him, is that person not a sheep and will perish?
Like I said......YOU CANNOT DEAL WITH NEVER PERISH
You bet I do. I think you are His sheep. You question it.......Bringing Him SHAME.