The BIG Question not asked, concerning Genesis 6:1-6?

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No it doesn't.

That's the whole point in referencing the other usage of the word "oiketerion".
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our [b]habitation which is from heaven,

The oiketerion is FROM Heaven. It is NOT Heaven.
If the Jude wanted to say "Heaven" he would have just said "Heaven"

It simply means a place to inhabit. Josephus used the word in Against Apion, Book 1, 20.7

"He then marched away to Borsippus, to besiege Nabonnedus; but as Nabonnedus did not sustain the siege, but delivered himself into his hands, he was at first kindly used by Cyrus, who gave him Carmania, as a place for him to inhabit in, but sent him out of Babylonia. Accordingly Nabonnedus spent the rest of his time in that country, and there died."

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

There's a guess for you. I have a suggestion. You could do a little bit deeper study on it and might find the truth!

See comment above this

 

[PennEd]

It simply means a place to inhabit. Josephus used the word in Against Apion, Book 1, 20.7

"He then marched away to Borsippus, to besiege Nabonnedus; but as Nabonnedus did not sustain the siege, but delivered himself into his hands, he was at first kindly used by Cyrus, who gave him Carmania, as a place for him to inhabit in, but sent him out of Babylonia. Accordingly Nabonnedus spent the rest of his time in that country, and there died."

You are looking desperate guy.

Going OUTSIDE of Scripture, when we have a clear, unambiguous solo example of the usage of the word IN SCRIPTURE.

They left their habitation, and had sexual relations with "strange flesh".

That's what the text SAYS.

THAT'S why Peter tells us they are being held for final judgement in Tartarus RIGHT NOW.

If we can go outside inspired Scripture, then we can CERTAINLY start using the Book of Enoch, which are in several Churches Bibles, AND found with the other Old Testament writings in Qumran, in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

You wanna go down that path? Or just stick with the 66 Books? Either way, there is no other option but to believe exactly what Scripture says about Angels mating with human women.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

In Genesis 6:1 in Masoretic Text bibles nephilim is translated giants. The famous men of old are called mighty

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4​

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In the LXX both words are translated as giants.

Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they bore children to them, those were the giants of old, the men of renown. Genesis 6:4​

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The Greek word Γίγαντες (Gigantes) can refer to a race of men who fought the gods, or to men associated with chaos and in conflict with the gods, which fits well with the godly sons of Adam (sons of God) mating with the daughters of the ungodly sons of men producing a rebellious generation that opposed God. It does not refer to man/god hybrids tall in height.

 

[PennEd]

It simply means a place to inhabit. Josephus used the word in Against Apion, Book 1, 20.7

BTW, since YOU opened the door to Josephus, a first century Jew. Let's see what HE has to say about Angels mating with human women.

Josephus, a Roman-Jewish historian, affirms the account of angels mating with human women and the creation of the Nephilim. In his writings, Josephus describes how the sons of God, who were angels, took human wives and begat children, leading to the emergence of the Nephilim. This account is echoed in other early Christian writings, such as Jude and Peter, who also speak of angels who left their proper place and await judgment. Josephus's narrative provides a window into the beliefs of first-century Jews and the background of early Christianity.

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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

They left their habitation, and had sexual relations with "strange flesh".

And I showed you that the word means habitation, not body. Heaven is the rightful habitation of angels.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

BTW, since YOU opened the door to Josephus, a first century Jew. Let's see what HE has to say about Angels mating with human women.

Josephus, a Roman-Jewish historian, affirms the account of angels mating with human women and the creation of the Nephilim. In his writings, Josephus describes how the sons of God, who were angels, took human wives and begat children, leading to the emergence of the Nephilim. This account is echoed in other early Christian writings, such as Jude and Peter, who also speak of angels who left their proper place and await judgment. Josephus's narrative provides a window into the beliefs of first-century Jews and the background of early Christianity.
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Josephus was a pharisee influenced by Babylonian traditions.

 

[PennEd]

And I showed you that the word means habitation, not body. Heaven is the rightful habitation of angels.

Yeah, let's not let the ONLY other usage of the word in Scripture, which describes our bodies as a "house" or "dwelling place" and how we'll get a NEW "house" or Dwelling Place" destroy our misguided doctrine we are too fearful to dismiss.

 

[PennEd]

Josephus was a pharisee influenced by Babylonian traditions.

LOL!!!

So he good to go if he supports YOUR erroneous error, but he's not reliable if he supports Scriptures!

UNREAL!

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

LOL!!!

So he good to go if he supports YOUR erroneous error, but he's not reliable if he supports Scriptures!

UNREAL!

Your brain is not working well this morning. Think about what you're saying. Use of language and personal beliefs are not the same thing.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Yeah, let's not let the ONLY other usage of the word in Scripture, which describes our bodies as a "house" or "dwelling place" and how we'll get a NEW "house" or Dwelling Place" destroy our misguided doctrine we are too fearful to dismiss.

What is the rightful habitation of angels? Earth or heaven?

 

[memberofthebride]

It does not say Angel's in my translation.
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Presumption that these sons of God are Angel's will create many false teachings.

Evil Angel's would not have been called the sons of God.

My comment;

Sons of God are the line of Seth, not angels

Paul said Angels have never been called sons of God, I accept that as proof.

Hebrew 1
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

The Word of God must confirm or I do not accept.

With one exception; translators translate to match their own beliefs, therefore I use all scriptures relating to the subject not just one of two.

Example; calling the Holy Spirit --a ghost.

 

[PaulThomson]

No. It says the angel entered towards (προς) her, not into (εις) her

LXX Gen 6
6:4 οἱ δὲ γίγαντες ἦσαν ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς ἐν ταῖς ἡμέραις ἐκείναις καὶ μετ᾽ ἐκεῖνο ὡς ἂν εἰσεπορεύοντο (were entering) οἱ υἱοὶ τοῦ θεοῦ (the sons of God) πρὸς (towards) τὰς θυγατέρας τῶν ἀνθρώπων( the daughters of men) καὶ ἐγεννῶσαν (and bore) ἑαυτοῖς (to/for) ἐκεῖνοι (them) ἦσαν οἱ γίγαντες οἱ ἀπ᾽ αἰῶνος οἱ ἄνθρωποι οἱ ὀνομαστοί

Luke 1
1:28 καὶ εἰσελθὼν (having entered) ὁ ἄγγελος (the angel) πρὸς (towards) αὐτὴν (her) εἶπεν Χαῖρε κεχαριτωμένη ὁ κύριος μετὰ σοῦ εὐλογημένη σὺ ἐν γυναιξίν

Did the legion have sex with the pigs?

Matt. 8
8:31 οἱ δὲ δαίμονες (so the demons) παρεκάλουν αὐτὸν λέγοντες Εἰ ἐκβάλλεις ἡμᾶς (us) ἐπίτρεψον (suffer) ἡμῖν (for us) ἀπελθεῖν (to go) εἰς τὴν ἀγέλην τῶν χοίρων (into the herd of swine)
8:32 καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Ὑπάγετε (Go) οἱ δὲ (so they) ἐξελθόντες (having come out) ἀπῆλθον (went) εἰς τὴν ἀγέλην τῶν χοίρων (into the herd of swine) · καὶ ἰδού, ὥρμησεν πᾶσα ἡ ἀγέλη τῶν χοίρων κατὰ τοῦ κρημνοῦ εἰς τὴν θάλασσαν καὶ ἀπέθανον ἐν τοῖς ὕδασιν.

The expression "to come/go into" has other meanings than "to have sex with".

The expression "to bear children to/for someone" has other meanings than "to have children from someone's seed." Surrogate mothers can have children for someone by their own husbands with the intention of giving the child to someone else they have contracted with to supply them with a child.

The Gen 6 passage does not have to mean the angels personally had sex with the women. It could mean that they contacted with the women that their children would be given over into the angels' power or possession.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The Gen 6 passage does not have to mean the angels personally had sex with the women. It could mean that they contacted with the women that their children would be given over into the angels' power or possession.

I think something along that line is the more likely scenario

The myth of the giants is very interesting. They were not god/man hybrids born of women mating with gods, but were born from the earth (Gaia) from blood that fell from heaven when Cronus castrated Uranus as he was having sex with Gaia. The giants were defeated in their battle with the gods and were imprisoned underneath the earth.

I see in this the possibility of the rebellious angels leaving their rightful habitation in heaven to come to earth to rule and teach men great mysteries enabling them to become great and famous (men of renown). Then those men were destroyed by the flood and the rebellious angels were imprisoned in the abyss.

 

[PaulThomson]

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

The word "Abode" is Oiketerion in the Greek.

This word is used only ONE other time in Scripture. In that occasion it tells us of the new HEAVENLY body we will receive.

The Angels that sinned, in a SIMILAR, SEXUAL manner that those in Sodom and Gomorrah did, by going after "strange" flesh, in the Angel's case human flesh, ABANDONED their Heavenly bodies, (oiketerion) that are impossible to have sexual relations with, and put on some form of body that enabled them to have sexual relations. Just as we've seen them on several occasions be able to eat, and be NOT recognizable as Angels. Hebrews tells us some of us may have actually interacted with Angels and have been unaware they WERE Angels.

So here is the other passage using the word "oiketerion".


2 Corinthians 5:2

New King James Version



2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our [a]habitation which is from heaven,

The word rendered "habitation" there is oiketerion.


So this should answer your question.

We will take up residence in a heavenly body, clothed upon with a heavenly body. The angels took up residence inside human bodies, clothed themselves with the bodies of humans who allowed them entry. No sex with humans is required for demons to do that.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The giants in Greek mythology are reputed to have been extremely perverse and violent. This aligns with the condition of the earth at the time of Genesis 6. Perhaps that was a result of angels leaving their rightful habitation in heaven and coming to earth and teaching men their ungodly ways

The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Genesis 6:11-13​

 

[PennEd]

What is the rightful habitation of angels? Earth or heaven?

Does Oiketerion mean a body?

Yes
Yes, oiketerion (οἰκητήριον) does mean "body" in a biblical context. It refers to a dwelling place or habitation, specifically interpreted as the body as the dwelling place of the spirit in 2 Corinthians 5:2, where it contrasts with the temporary earthly body. This term signifies a permanent and divine residence for believers, emphasizing their eternal home in God's presence.

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EVEN IF, it meant Heaven, which it absolutely does not, you have failed to address the primary point Jude makes that they had sex with "strange flesh".

For which, Peter tells us THESE ANGELS are locked away in Tartarus until final judgement.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

We will take up residence in a heavenly body, clothed upon with a heavenly body. The angels took up residence inside human bodies, clothed themselves with the bodies of humans who allowed them entry. No sex with humans is required for demons to do that.

When God destroyed all of mankind those spirits wouldn't have had anywhere to go except for the abyss. Like the pigs that begged not to be disembodied lest they be sent to the abyss. But the pigs died, so I guess off they went to Tartarus.

In the end of time the angels in heaven will be defeated and cast to earth. One will have the key to the abyss, which he will open and release those imprisoned within (5th trumpet).

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

EVEN IF, it meant Heaven, which it absolutely does not, you have failed to address the primary point Jude makes that they had sex with "strange flesh".

Jude doesn't say that. We've discussed this before

 

[PennEd]

Sons of God are the line of Seth, not angels

I understand this is what most Churches teach, but there is ZERO Scriptural evidence to support this.

Also, EVERY human, INCLUDING Seth, are born with a fallen nature from Adam, and ARE NOT sons of God until they are born again.
They couldn't be born again until Jesus came and died for their sins.

Hebrew 1
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

As far as this passage is concerned, there is a misunderstanding of what "begotten" means.

Angels are definitively referred to as "sons of God" (Bene Elohim) several times in the Book of Job. One time they are referred to there as jumping for joy watching God create the physical universe.


Job 38:7

New King James Version
7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?