The BIG Question not asked, concerning Genesis 6:1-6?

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

the Bible talks about Goliath, others giants that had 6 fingers and six toes, they say how big and heavy there weapons were, the length of their beds. when the spies went up, they came back saying we are like grasshoppers before these giants.

The bed may have been a sarcophagus, which may account for its unusual length

https://christianchat.com/threads/are-giants-the-offspring-of-angels-and-humans.217732/post-5446025
https://christianchat.com/threads/are-giants-the-offspring-of-angels-and-humans.217732/post-5446228

The Septuagint (LXX) and the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) say that Goliath was 6' 6", ie, Michael Jordon size. Tall, but hardly a giant

https://christianchat.com/threads/are-giants-the-offspring-of-angels-and-humans.217732/post-5445796

 

[Genez]

Again, that Hebrew word in Psalms 78:25 does not mean angels

H47 אַבִּיר 'abbiyr (ab-beer') adj.
mighty (spoken of created beings: men, angels, and beasts).

Explain why it would not mean food of angels.
Of course angels would be included in the list, for they eat food!

Genesis 18:1-7​

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The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre ​

while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of ​

the day. Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. ​

When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to ​

meet them and bowed low to the ground.​

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He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by. ​

Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. ​

Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now ​

that you have come to your servant.”​

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“Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.”​

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So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah.​

“Quick,” he said, “get three seahs of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.”​

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Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who ​

hurried to prepare it. He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been ​

prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.​

Those angels ate what?
Human's food.

Why not, then?
Men can eat angel's food?

Time to wake up.



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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Explain why it would not mean food of angels.
Of course angels would be included in the list, for they eat food!

Those angels ate what?
Human's food.
Why not, then?
Men can eat angel's food?
Time to wake up.
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Time to take the red pill

 

[Genez]

I think they certainly would have been called Sons of G-D for before they fell, they were Angels, The Sons of G-D saw the daughters of men were beautiful.....,, seeing is not falling. once they took the women and left there station as man did, I presume this is when there name/position would have changed. And the verses are telling us who took the women it was the Sons of G-D

as I believe, yet this is not my area of expertise, just my understanding

in good faith

Go back and see what I said?

Not all angels fell at the same time.
I gave reason why some held out, only to fall later on.

The majority of the angels stayed with the Lord, as a minority went with Satan.

Some angels were not 100% with the Lord, but were impressed with the peer pressure of the majority.
These ones finally made a break when they found themselves unable to resist lusting for the beautiful women.

That is why these angels (who finally fell) became isolated from all other fallen angels, as God assigned them
into dungeons of chains of darkness (Tartarus) below the earth.

Look at the timeline and connection made in the following passage!

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to Tartarus, ​

putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; if he did not ​

spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, ​

but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others." 2 Peter 2:4-5​

See it? It took place around the time of Noah!

grace and peace ..............

 

[Genez]

Time to take the red pill

Slapped her, and perverse?
Not chapter and verse?

Enjoy your barge cruise.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Slapped her, and perverse?
Not chapter and verse?

Enjoy your barge cruise.

Can you provide chapter and verse for your claim that angels were meant to have sex and marry and all that, or is that slapped her and perverse?

 

[Genez]

Can you provide chapter and verse for your claim that angels were meant to have sex and marry and all that, or is that slapped her and perverse?

You know about Adam.... naming all the animals first.
And, then after finishing what he was assigned, then receiving his woman.

Have you ever been shown about the prehistoric creation that got destroyed before we see Genesis 1:2?

Do you?

It is not as simple to show you as you demand it to be.

 

[Genez]

Can you provide chapter and verse for your claim that angels were meant to have sex and marry and all that, or is that slapped her and perverse?

We know that they were meant to have sex, by the simple fact that they did have sex.

Question should be why they were able./

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

We know that they were meant to have sex, by the simple fact that they did have sex.

Question should be why they were able./

Circular reasoning

 

[Genez]

Circular reasoning

You are not thinking.
Just trying your skills in getting it to go nowhere.

If someone really wanted to understand, they would not be like you.

 

[PaulThomson]

Circular reasoning

Did the angel Gabriel have sex with Mary, since the same language is used there.?
Luk 1:28
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Gen 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

 

[GWH]

The BIG Question not asked out loud concerning Genesis 6:1-6?
Why were those angels able to reproduce sexually?
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The NT reveals that there is only one Son of God (John 1:14, Rom. 1:4), although those who receive the Spirit of Christ
may be viewed as sons or children of God (Rom. 8:9-17). The Genesis verses should be understood in this light.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Did the angel Gabriel have sex with Mary, since the same language is used there.?
Luk 1:28
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Gen 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

No. It says the angel entered towards (προς) her, not into (εις) her

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You are not thinking.
Just trying your skills in getting it to go nowhere.

If someone really wanted to understand, they would not be like you.

Tell me, is this one of the teachings of the person you follow?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Did the angel Gabriel have sex with Mary, since the same language is used there.?
Luk 1:28
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Gen 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This method is really the only scenario that I'd possibly accept, but I think it's far-fetched and originates in Babylonian mythology. There's a much more rational and believable interpretation of Genesis 6:4

 

[PennEd]

The BIG Question not asked out loud concerning Genesis 6:1-6?

Why were those angels able to reproduce sexually?

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6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

The word "Abode" is Oiketerion in the Greek.

This word is used only ONE other time in Scripture. In that occasion it tells us of the new HEAVENLY body we will receive.

The Angels that sinned, in a SIMILAR, SEXUAL manner that those in Sodom and Gomorrah did, by going after "strange" flesh, in the Angel's case human flesh, ABANDONED their Heavenly bodies, (oiketerion) that are impossible to have sexual relations with, and put on some form of body that enabled them to have sexual relations. Just as we've seen them on several occasions be able to eat, and be NOT recognizable as Angels. Hebrews tells us some of us may have actually interacted with Angels and have been unaware they WERE Angels.

So here is the other passage using the word "oiketerion".


2 Corinthians 5:2

New King James Version



2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our [a]habitation which is from heaven,

The word rendered "habitation" there is oiketerion.


So this should answer your question.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

The word "Abode" is Oiketerion in the Greek.

This word is used only ONE other time in Scripture. In that occasion it tells us of the new HEAVENLY body we will receive.

The Angels that sinned, in a SIMILAR, SEXUAL manner that those in Sodom and Gomorrah did, by going after "strange" flesh, in the Angel's case human flesh, ABANDONED their Heavenly bodies, (oiketerion) that are impossible to have sexual relations with, and put on some form of body that enabled them to have sexual relations. Just as we've seen them on several occasions be able to eat, and be NOT recognizable as Angels. Hebrews tells us some of us may have actually interacted with Angels and have been unaware they WERE Angels.

So here is the other passage using the word "oiketerion".


2 Corinthians 5:2

New King James Version



2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our [a]habitation which is from heaven,

The word rendered "habitation" there is oiketerion.


So this should answer your question.

In Jude οἰκητήριον is most likely referring to heaven as the angels' habitation.

 

[PennEd]

In Jude οἰκητήριον is most likely referring to heaven as the angels' habitation.

No it doesn't.

That's the whole point in referencing the other usage of the word "oiketerion".
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our [b]habitation which is from heaven,

The oiketerion is FROM Heaven. It is NOT Heaven.
If the Jude wanted to say "Heaven" he would have just said "Heaven"

 

[Edward429451]

This is just pagan mythology IMO, and there is no biblical evidence that angels have the capability to become flesh and blood.

We don't? Have you ever read the book of John? Jesus became flesh and blood.

What sense does it make for an angel to have a weiner?

I don't know, maybe he brought his weiner with him?

There's bigger mysteries to think about though, lol.

 

[Edward429451]

In Jude οἰκητήριον is most likely referring to heaven as the angels' habitation.

There's a guess for you. I have a suggestion. You could do a little bit deeper study on it and might find the truth!