Theres a few interpretations of born of water, but the water may may be spiritual Nourishment being fed to you as in living water from the spirit
I can't see being born of water represents water baptism, as how can you be born from water there,
Loss of salvation???
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I can't see being born of water represents water baptism, as how can you be born from water there,
Yes, in regard to the word "water" in John 3:5, there are those who would argue that the natural sense of the passage parallels water with being born out of a mother’s womb and with flesh based on the answer of Nicodemus to Jesus. Simply stated in that case, two births are necessary. The first is a physical, literal, "flesh" birth accompanied by amniotic "water" and the second is Spirit.Theres a few interpretations of born of water, but the water may may be spiritual Nourishment being fed to you as in living water from the spirit
I can't see being born of water represents water baptism, as how can you be born from water there,
There are also those who would argue that Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14; 7:37-39 and in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing.
Now if "water" is defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again. So, to automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.
Yet there are still others who would argue that "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, and we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the washing of regeneration. (Titus 3:5)
I look at all the arguments, and i can only see the living water from the holy spirit being Jesus really, for a simple reason really, Jesus is saying unless you are born of water, meaning it can't be something your Already born of, from the mother's womb, and it can't be the fact that our bodies are made up up water already, as why say unless you are born of water and spirit if you where already, well we know being born of the spirit means an indwelling, and the water is spoke in the same context in that verse, so it more that suggests the water is an indwelling like the spirit to, which rules out water baptism,
So really the water makes more senses to be the living water and is probably the spirit, the living spiritual water of Jesus John 4:10 John 4:14 and spirit the holy spirit.
Why would I want to argue?
I didn't die for you, if you notice I share HIS WORD AND HIS WORD ONLY, I'm just in the seed businnes.
Your problem is WITH HIM not me, it's WITH JESUS.
Even now you will not accept HIS word with your statement
"If you are talking about water baptism, thats fine and yes, we should all make this public proclamation of our faith. It’s a wonderful activity that demonstrates what has already occurred."
Did you ever look in HIS word to back up what you are saying now??
IT'S NOT TRUE, WHICH MEANS IT'S A LIE!!!
How do I know it's a lie? It's NOT in HIS WORD.
Faith alone does not get rid of your sins, nor fill you with HIS spirit.
PLEASE LOOK IN HIS WORD, LOOK AT THE SCRTIPURES I SHARED.
Your walk is between YOU AND HIM ONLY, make sure your right.
I sure will be praying for all who think like you do, there are many.
Maybe I’m not clearly in my comments, in any event, I think your position is, please correct me if I’m wrong;
- You just need faith
- Works is God but faith only leads to salvation
- Good works may get you more reward in Heaven (what good works?)
- Any one who has faith in Jesus will go to heaven – others to hell
- Please add anything I missed
So, kind of back to where we started, how should I understand the passages in Revelations.
The last revelations given to us Jesus was clear those who keep the commandments & faith (believe in Jesus) & it’s clear until the 'End of times' (heaven and earth pass away)
for ease of reference the passages I previously quoted;
Matt 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfil them.
Until end of time – Matt 5:18 - For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Rev 12:17 - And the dragon was enraged at the woman and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.
Rev 14:12 - Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
One should also remember Jesus said (clearly not all who believe in Jesus will be saved)
Matt 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
Did you notice that Nicodemus was already born?
Why do you think GOD had John the baptize born 6 months before JESUS was born? ALL FOR NOTHING???
John had one mission,
Matthew 3:15-16
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Why was JESUS baptized, wasn't he born of HIS mother?
Did you know being baptized in for remission of sins?
Did you know when we are born naturally that is when we get our sins?
End result you are saying things that are not true, your wrapping them up together like it's one process.
What you are saying when we are born we are not born in sin at all!!! NOT TRUE.
You are right the second baptism is of the spirit and this is what happens when JESUS HIMSELF FILLS US.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Can't be reborn without BOTH which is what JESUS is saying in John 3:5!
JESUS SAYS who trumps what you say,
Mark 16:16-17
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Which AGAIN is what HE says in John 3:5!
Peter say that is what happens when JESUS fills you with the Holy Ghost or Spirit,
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
See, what you SEE AND HEAR.
If you have been filled you would know it, have you been, I bet not or you would not be saying things that are not true.
Theres a few interpretations of born of water, but the water may may be spiritual Nourishment being fed to you as in living water from the spirit
I can't see being born of water represents water baptism, as how can you be born from water there,
Interpretations come from men, HIS word is what we need to rely on.
What is your interpretation of this verse?
Matthew 3:16-17
King James Version
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Being baptized in JESUS name is the only way to get rid of our sins, Acts 2:38, 22:16.
You are right about the spirit being the living water but that is because when JESUS fills us with HIS spirit that living water flows thoughts us.
Being filled with HIS spirit is something JESUS does.
Being baptized in JESUS name is something we have to do.
What do you think of these verses?
Just after JESUS said we have to be born of water AND OF spirit he went with HIS team to the water.
John 3,
22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Can you see now that water is baptism?
Then you have placed yourself under the curse of the Law. Additionally, it's not "faith alone." True believers are saved by grace THROUGH faith. They go hand in hand, precisely as scripture declares. Going back to the Kingdom teachings is a dead end roadway.
2 Timothy 2:15 — Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
If you think you're saved and/or retain your salvation on the basis of the works of your effort in the flesh, then how do you know you're saved right now? What's the threshold of slavation loss, if you think it really exists? Where is it? Please define it for us all, from scripture, rather than personal belief. None of the salvation loss people in here have yet even attempted to tackle that definition...if it even existed. They avoid this question 'like the plague,' as the proverbial cliche' goes.
When they fail to rightly divide the word of truth, they are intermixing truths that do not mix rightly. In other words, that one must rightly divide the word of truth means that there are divisions in the truths of scripture. We ALL practice that division daily by NOT going out and sacrificing animals for our sins, but the salvation loss crowd fails to divide ALL the differing collections of truths into their rightful dispensations.
Yes, I realize there's a manic disike out there for the term "dispensation," but it's a valid, biblical concept and term in the Bible, in contrast to the false claim for salvation loss under the Gospel of Grace. The knee jerk reaction go-to is for them to yammer about those out there who allegedly live any ol' way they want, almost as if such people not only are living right next door to them, but is routine among those who believe in the Gospel of Grace. Those straw man arguments are old and worn out, being as bad as the falsehoods their false teaching pastors teach under whom they sit every week. What's worse is that their false teaching pastors teach all that crap with a straight face, and sometimes even with a sinister smile that sails over their heads on a weekly basis.
Please don't assume we condone no good works as the OUTFLOW of the salvation of which we enjoy the assurance. The salvation loss gang has no assurance for their salvation with them trying to live a gospel not intended for us today. They have no explanations for how they lose, regain, lose again, regain again, ad infinitum, their salvation on a daily basis given that we ALL sin daily.
Are YOU without sin? I'm not, which is true of us ALL. Are YOU losing your salvation in the midst of your sins? How? What's the threshold? What's the magic formula for getting it back after allegedly losing it? So many questions posed to the salvation lost gang, and they have no answers other than to remain hostile and antagonistic against all who are secure in the salvation of grace we have been given as a gift; even though we too believe in striving to do good works as well in order to store up treasure in Heaven, and to live and walk in spirit and in truth.
Their demonization of the Gospel of Grace only shows the demon within them, or under whose control they live and breath. Either way, their failures to show to us all that imaginary line for loss of THEIR salvation, if they ever had it, it all serves as a cumulative demonstration for just how weak their stand upon scripture really is in the midst of their foaming-at-the-mouth rhetoric.
What's your take on allnthis?
MM
I'm not sure what your asking, but anyhow
Jesus answered, “Verily, verily I say unto thee, unless a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. Which means you have to be born of both before water baptism
water baptism like I've already said in my belief is the act of confirming your faith, and you can also ask for forgiveness toJesus answered, “Verily, verily I say unto thee, unless a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.
This says a person must be born of water and spirit, in the same context, which means an indwelling,
There is no way for the water to indwell you when you get water baptised.
The living water is here
John 4:14
Of course.
Not for nothing. John the Baptist was the forerunner who prepared the way for Jesus. (Mark 1:1-9)
Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. His baptism inaugurated His ministry and was a necessary part of the righteousness that He secured for sinners.
Baptism is done in regard to/on the basis of remission of sins received upon repentance. (Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31). Baptism does not obtain remission of sins.
Psalm 51:5 - Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.
Straw man argument.
You don't seem to understand the difference between receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:45; 11:17; 15:8; Romans 5:5 etc..) which is the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation for all believers (1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:13) and being filled with the Holy Spirit which is a subsequent experience which can be repeated and where the Holy Spirit controls and guides every aspect of us and providing empowerment for ministry, which may (Acts 2:4; 10:46; 19:6) or may not (Acts 4:8; 4:31; 7:55; 13:9) be accompanied by speaking in tongues. Not ALL speak in tongues and the answer to Paul's rhetorical question in 1 Corinthians 12:29-30 is NO.
In John 3:5, Jesus said born of water and the Spirit and NOT born of baptism and the Spirit. Also, consider what Jesus said in (John 4:10,14; 7:37) and see the connection between living water, the Holy Spirit and eternal life. Notice in John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. *Jesus connects this living water here with everlasting life. *Living water is not water baptism. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit. So, to automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.
What I say is in harmony with what Jesus says.
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.
The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."
If water baptism was absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions NINE different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
These signs in Mark 16:17 were promised to the apostolic community (Matthew 10:1) which were not uncommon in the early church age but were not promised to all believers in all ages. (1 Corinthians 12:27-30) The passage is not saying that these signs will accompany every single individual believer in all ages. We do see various confirming signs like these happening among various believers during the early apostolic era. For example, we see:
Some believers casting out demons (Acts 5:16, 8:7, 16:16-18, 19:11-12)
Some believers speaking in tongues (Acts 2:4, 10:46, 19:6, 1 Corinthians 12:10, 12:28)
Some believers laying hands on the sick and healing them (Acts 9:17, 28:8)
One believer bit by a snake and not harmed (Acts 28:3-5)
No examples of believers drinking deadly poison and remaining unharmed. So, how many of these signs have you exhibited? These signs were to the early apostolic era rather than for all believers for all time.
That is your eisegesis. Jesus did not even mention baptism in John 3:5.
Not every experience in scripture of being filled with the Holy Spirit resulted in speaking in tongues. (Acts 4:8; 4:31; 7:55; 13:9) You have been deceived by your church to believe that man is saved by water baptism using a rigid baptism formula of reciting the specific words (in Jesus' name) only during the baptism followed by speaking in tongues. No baptism, no rigid baptism formula, so speaking in tongues, no salvation according to the false gospel of your church, which is very similar to the false gospel of Oneness Pentecostalism.
I have been filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly, just like we see in Acts 4:31, but I did not speak in tongues, like these Gentiles did in Acts 10:46, which was for a specific purpose as a sign to the Jewish believers present that God has accepted these Gentiles into the Church, along with the Jews. Again, not everyone speaks in tongues. (1 Corinthians 12:29-30)
I'm not sure what your asking, but anyhow
Jesus answered, “Verily, verily I say unto thee, unless a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. Which means you have to be born of both before water baptism
Jesus answered, “Verily, verily I say unto thee, unless a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.
This says a person must be born of water and spirit, in the same context, which means an indwelling,
There is no way for the water to indwell you when you get water baptised.
The living water is here
John 4:14
""water baptism like I've already said in my belief is the act of confirming your faith, and you can also ask for forgiveness to""
Can you back that up with SCRIPTURE PLEASE.
Can you tell me what these verses say and mean PLEASE.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
You would walk around mountains of grace in order to find water. In regard to John 3:22, by this time Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing. Verse 22 is out of context with verse 5. What is still in context with verse 5 are verses 14-18.
John 3:14 - And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
This is nonsensical because we are under the law of Christ, not the law of Moses, which is what Paul is always referring to. The curse you are referring to was upon those under the law of Moses who didn't do everything in it. There is no curse in Christ. Works of faith done in obedience to Christ are not works of law done in obedience to the law of Moses, but the gnostics among us try to conflate the two in order to establish their lawless grace.
Rather than to nit-pic particulars into an exhaustive list of legalistic do's and dont's, here is scripture stating the salvation by grace through faith in relation to works:
Ephesians 2:4-10 — But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, by grace ye are saved; And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
That some believe they have boasting that is of any value to prove they're saved, Paul taught that such does not apply to us today, which is the basis for our need to rightly divide the word of truth. Coupling works to salvation is the limit set forth in these passages and others through which Paul instructs us.
MM
Simple question for you,
Acts 19,
1And it came to pass, AS PAUL WAS IN THE WILDRENESS HE CAME ACROSS MAILMAN DAN HE SAID TO HIM,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 2:38 must be read alongside verses like (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) where forgiveness is explicitly tied to repentance/belief/faith and not the ritual itself. Water baptism is a sign of that reality but not the source of it. You are trying to turn a sign into a savior.
Luke 24:47 - and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.” *What happened to baptism?
Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 16:30 - And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” *What happened to baptism?
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
In Acts 22:16, the cleansing happens as he calls on Christ, not by the water itself. The water is symbolic; the appeal to Christ’s name is the saving act. Romans 10:13 - For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
The remission of sins has three applications: 1. Literally, by the blood of Christ - Matthew 26:28 2. Experientially, by faith in Christ - Acts 26:18 3. Figuratively, by water baptism - Acts 22:16
Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - WHAT IS TRUTH: Acts 22:16--Baptism Essential for Salvation?
*So, the only logical and Biblical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*
yes, I sin - I repent and try to do good, believe and follow Jesus’ guidance.
I note your position - but you’ve IGNORED / not responded to the passages!
last guidance we received - says follow the commandments - so do we not follow the last guidance given - and if we do what commandments should we follow.
Also why did Jesus say the below – NOT everyone who says I believe in Jesus will be saved and mention ‘workers of lawlessness!’ - if anyone who believe would automatically be saved?
Matt 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
oh I see what your going with this now, ok you can believe this if it's what you need to do, and it makes you feel better, but if everyone could receive salvation through water baptism then everyone would be saved, which well sorry that's not what is written,
Well anyhoo I just did confirm with you but here's a more detailed explanation
John 4:14
States that the water Jesus gives you wells up to eternal life, therefore water baptism is symbolic, Jesus has the same devine nature as the holy spirit, and same as the father.
The devine nature of the father comes first in a person being saved,
As in no one comes to the son unless the father hands him to the son , then once your handed to the son, this is where the devine nature of the son is given here
John 4:14,
Both his living water and holy spirit are given then at that moment, and they well up to eternal life, the strong desire to be water baptised in the name of the son the father and the holy spirit would come from that,
The act that disciples did to be baptised in water I believe was a correction to the old baptism of water by John the baptist, who baptised for forgiveness of sins before the holy spirit was given,
So they did the new baptism out of correction for the old baptism,
You don't need water baptism to be be forgiven or to receive the spirit.
As you can only confess Jesus is lord by the spirit, which means a dwelling of the holy spirit,
And here to in scripture if you confess that Jesus is lord you shall be saved.
And it's in many others places to
Here
Gods Godly sorrow is given first that floods the heart that leads to repentance that leads to salvation
So in order here the fathers devine nature floods the heart with his Godly sorrow from his devine nature that is the same as the son and the holy spirit,
This leads to repentance being given, as in the handing over to the son, who's devine nature floods the heart and Wells up with his living water and spirit that gives you eternal life. Then you may confirm your faith by water baptism if you want,
In Acts 19:2, Paul asked these disciples of John if they had received the Holy Spirit when they believed and their answer in verse 3 reveals that they were not yet saved believers. They had received the baptism of John but did not realize that Jesus Christ was the One to whom John's baptism pointed. Paul gave them instructions about Jesus and after they believed Paul's presentation of the gospel and came to saving faith in Christ, they were then (afterwards) baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Paul laid hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit (which was not the case in Acts 2 and Acts 10, so this is the exception, not the rule). It did signify their inclusion into the church. Apostles were also present to lay hands on the Samaritans in Acts chapter 8. God's purpose here was to emphasize unity in the church. The Jews despised the Samaritans.
Thank you for your prayers, but Jesus performed a miracle in my life back in the late 1950’s. He continues to guide my life and I know in whom I have believed. I hope you have come to know the peace that only comes from God. We are all wonderfully made, yet we are all different with varied gifts and personalities. Quoting Scripture seems to be a contest to some, living out those Scriptures should be ones goal.