Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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even when freed from the bondage of the law and sin we become willing slaves to Christso really we are never really free in that sense.
There are none. A grand total of zero. Zip. Nada. Nil.
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." John 6 verse 44 The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2 verse 14 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8 verse 7-8
Galatians 5 v 1; Romans 10 v 10a; Romans 6 v 17-18; Colossians 2 v 20 It was for freedom that Christ set us free. Therefore, stand firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. With the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness. Though you used to be slaves to sin, you have been set free from sin and become slaves to righteousness. You have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world.
From Romans 6 v 16-18 ~ Do you not know that you are slaves to the one you obey, whether you are slaves to sin leading to death, or to obedience leading to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you once were slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were committed. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Right. And I was only trying to demonstrate that it is not within man's power to free himself from law - that only Christ alone can do that. But I definitely agree that only by being saved/born again by Christ, do we become enslaved to Him instead, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
Natural man follows the rules set by society. Sometimes those are good, sometimes not. Some societies think cannibalism is morally good. Some societies think human sacrifice is morally right.
haha no chance not with free will, the law of free will says I can believe what I want when i want and when it suits,
Take a look at This persons free will,
Who isn't waiting to be born again.
Her free will basically has a bone to pick
The weird thing is she seems to think the natural man wants to be born again.Take a look at This persons free will,
Who isn't waiting to be born again.
Her free will basically has a bone to pick
She is very confused. The natural man is opposed to the spiritual things of God.
Scripture says so. But she and other FWers contradict and deny Scripture.
And this is why I am so confused as to how people can cite free will so much when there is no biblical ground to stand on or is the word of god not the ultimate authority to them?
Natural man has no desire for God. He may say that he does out of fear, but it simply is not true.
No, the Word of God is not the ultimate authority to them, their eisegesis and presuppositions are.
This is why they ignore a plethora of verse and rewrite others including the very words of Jesus Christ Himself.
And they are very emotionally attached to their error. It is an idol to them.
Clearly if they do not hold the bible in such high regard they must not know how to study it to begin with. If one is to study the word we have to do it without bias or preconcieved doctrine in our hearts but those who love their truth not the truth may never see it for what it is.
They conflate having a will with the will being free when Scripture actually plainly teaches that the will is not free.
Simply no getting around that for those with eyes to see.
They then turn a blind eye to all that is said of the natural man.
Some have absolutely no idea who he is.
They ascribe to the natural man what is only possible of the spiritual man.
Yes we have a will but nowhere is it stated that it is a free will and that is the issue because if there was any biblical evidence for it at all then they would have posted it but no, they have to twist scripture or give their own opinion to make it work
In any case seems to me this case is closed if they want to continue debating the matter well they better have some good evidence to back it up otherwise they have lost this debate
I used to believe in free will myself but just looking at my life I can seee I was never free in my will I either was a slave to sin or God no wonder my life turned out as tragic as it has
Jesus answered, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.” Luke 5 v 31 The Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost. Luke 19 v 10 For the Son of Man came to save the lost. Matthew 18 v 11 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. Matthew 9 v 13b, Mark 2 v 17b I will seek the lost, bring back the strays, bind up the broken, and strengthen the weak; but the sleek and strong I will destroy. Ezekiel 34 v 16