The "Secret Rapture" is a False Doctrine.

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That strange force is a vacuum because those verses don't exist in real life. They only exist in your rmind
The AC kills all the saints.
Rev 14 has a gathering mid trib.( actually 3 but the first 2 are mid trib)
Mat 24 has a gathering BEFORE THE FLOOD.
Jesus also uses lot as a pretrib gathering.

Include that in your mental doctrine that is in your mind and not biblical.
You were never exposed to the pretrib verses.
That is why you recklessly omit them.
 
That strange force is a vacuum because those verses don't exist in real life. They only exist in your rmind
Why do all postribbers recreate Rev 14?
Why do they recreate the 144,000?
Why do they change the components of the virgin parable ?
Why do they not understand the ones taken/left behind of mat 24?

Ask a postribber, "who is taken" ?
Flat out comical what they maneuver into.
 
I don't know about a 'secret' rapture, but I would highlight this passage here:

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words.

'Rapture' comes from 'Rapere' , the Latin form of the Greek 'Harpazo', which means caught up.

So the rapture is Biblical. It is also a happy event for the believer, something really to look forward to as the passage ends 'Therefore encourage one another with these words'.

God Bless All :)
 
Why are people so obsessed with these things ?
Because some of those matters are salvational issues. And others show where our allegiance lies.
Salvational as in, Whether Jesus is going to find our name written in the Book of Life, OR NOT.
Which is determined by if we Believe & Follow Jesus, OR NOT ... unto salvation, to inherit eternal life, OR NOT.

Jesus obeyed His Father's Will, ... Believed and had Faith in His Father and Loved US to death ... We NEED to have that same Faith and Love as Jesus did, .~~~~~> or ELSE :)
Because its being used to fool people into thinking there will be another way to get to heaven rather than the Second Coming of Christ.
 
Why do all postribbers recreate Rev 14?
Why do they recreate the 144,000?
Why do they change the components of the virgin parable ?
Why do they not understand the ones taken/left behind of mat 24?

Ask a postribber, "who is taken" ?
Flat out comical what they maneuver into.

Bless your little heart! You're trying so hard. Such patience to work through so many bad ideas
 
Bingo.
Postrib wife beater doctrine.
The theory is we need "cleansing", and the AC will beat us into worthiness.

Posribbers can not read the pretrib verses
They are forbidden by some strange force.


Bingo.
Postrib wife beater doctrine.
The theory is we need "cleansing", and the AC will beat us into worthiness.

Posribbers can not read the pretrib verses
They are forbidden by some strange force.

I would guess most do not read the Book of Revelation

Revelation 3
1 4And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and TRUE witness, the beginning of the creation of God;


15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Jesus Christ is NOT well pleased with the Laodicean church, they are going into the Tribulation to be tried by fire.

Also have you not read Matthew 25 and the 10 virgins? half the church is shut out.
 
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The Antichrist has been revealed for 500+ years, ever since ALL the Protestant Reformers understood Bible Prophecy correctly and pointed out, that the Papacy was and is the Antichrist, which WAS a BIG part of the Protestant Reformation.
Do you not believe history or Bible Prophecy?


Daniel 12:11 states:
"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." (Daniel 12:11, KJV)
This is referring to the end of the daily sacrifice that occurred with the death of Jesus Christ on the cross. The term "daily sacrifice" and relates to the sacrificial system in the Old Testament, which was fulfilled in Christ's death.

1. Understanding the "Daily Sacrifice":
In Daniel 12:11, the "daily sacrifice" is traditionally understood to represent the continual offerings in the sanctuary system, which were part of the Old Testament sacrificial system (Exodus 29:38-42, Leviticus 6:8-13). These daily offerings were performed in the sanctuary, both in the morning and evening, to atone for the sins of the people.

The "daily sacrifice" was taken away with the death of Jesus Christ on the cross. This is a significant moment in Christian theology, as Christ's death marked the end of the need for the continuous sacrificial system. Jesus Himself became the Lamb of God (John 1:29) who took away the sins of the world, fulfilling the sacrificial system's purpose once and for all. As the writer of Hebrews explains:

"For the law, having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." (Hebrews 10:1, KJV)
The "daily sacrifice" in the sanctuary, pointing forward to Christ's sacrifice, was fulfilled and ended with His death on the cross (Matthew 27:50-51), when the veil of the temple was torn, symbolizing that the earthly sanctuary and its sacrifices were no longer needed (Matthew 27:51). Daniel 12:11 refers to this pivotal event, when Jesus's sacrifice replaced the old system.

2. The "Abomination of Desolation":
The second part of Daniel 12:11 speaks of the "abomination that makes desolate" being set up after the daily sacrifice is taken away. This is often interpreted as referring to the corruption and perversion of the gospel and the introduction of false worship, particularly during the period of papal supremacy.

The "abomination of desolation" in Daniel is mentioned in other parts of the Bible, notably in Daniel 9:27, where it is connected to the abomination set up in the temple, which Jesus also refers to in Matthew 24:15. In Matthew 24:15, Jesus says:
"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, whoso readeth, let him understand." (Matthew 24:15, KJV)
The abomination of desolation refers to the corruption of true worship during the Middle Ages, particularly under the papacy, which replaced true Christian worship with idolatrous practices. The Roman Catholic Church was responsible for establishing false systems of worship, in opposition to the true gospel.

3. Why Daniel 12:11 is Not Referring to the Antichrist:Some interpretations of Daniel 12:11 link the "abomination of desolation" to the revealing of the Antichrist. However, the biblical argument against this view lies in the context of Daniel's prophecy and the specific historical fulfillment of the event. Here's why Daniel 12:11 does not refer to the Antichrist:
  • Historical Context: The phrase "abomination of desolation" is used in the Bible not to point to a future Antichrist figure, but to describe the desecration of the Jewish sanctuary and false worship. In Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:31, the "abomination" is linked to events in the past, particularly to Antiochus Epiphanes, who desecrated the Jewish temple in the second century B.C. However, in Matthew 24:15, Jesus used the term to point to future desecration in the first century, specifically the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. Therefore, this abomination does not refer to a future Antichrist figure, but to the false worship and spiritual desolation that began long ago and continued through the history of the church.
  • The abomination of desolation refers to the perversion of the gospel and false systems of worship that arose with the Roman papacy.
    The "abomination" refers to the perversion of true worship rather than a single Antichrist figure.
  • Jesus' Fulfillment of the Sacrificial System: As noted earlier, Jesus' death marked the end of the sacrificial system, not the beginning of a future antichrist figure's rise. Daniel 12:11, therefore, is speaking about the historical end of the Old Testament sacrificial system in Jesus' death (AD 31), not about a future revelation of the Antichrist.
Conclusion:
Daniel 12:11 is referring to the end of the daily sacrifice and the desecration of true worship — the sacrificial system that was fulfilled in Jesus' death on the cross. The "abomination of desolation" points to the corruption of the gospel through false worship, especially the system that arose during the period of papal supremacy, not to a future Antichrist figure. This interpretation aligns with the biblical understanding, of Biblical Prophecy, concerning this subject.
Amen my brother, and we are seeing it more and more...
 
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Because its being used to fool people into thinking there will be another way to get to heaven rather than the Second Coming of Christ.
Rev 14 blows a hole in that a bus could drive through.
A gathering BEFORE the white horse second coming.
Ooooops.
 
I don't know about a 'secret' rapture, but I would highlight this passage here:

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words.

'Rapture' comes from 'Rapere' , the Latin form of the Greek 'Harpazo', which means caught up.

So the rapture is Biblical. It is also a happy event for the believer, something really to look forward to as the passage ends 'Therefore encourage one another with these words'.

God Bless All:)
Amen.
In the "one taken" of mat 24 , that word "taken" is "taken to a good place" ,in the greek interlinear.
Like you say, a happy event.
 
Because its being used to fool people into thinking there will be another way to get to heaven rather than the Second Coming of Christ.
I take it you have not read the escape verse in Revelation.
If you are not familiar with Revelation I will post it for you

Or the command from Jesus.
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Amen.
I line up with those pretrib rapture verses from Jesus.
The groom is coming for his bride.
Those left behind as you indicated face the wife beater.
 
Because its being used to fool people into thinking there will be another way to get to heaven rather than the Second Coming of Christ.
The second coming of Christ is in revelation, 19 where we see Jesus with millions of horses blackening the sky, coming back to Earth, to do battle with the Antichrist. That is Jesus coming in all his glory, which is after the 7 year tribulation.
trying to make the rapture verses (that in no way fit rev 19), into a Bible blender of throwing the rapture verses into Rev 19... it just simply is not plausible at all.
 
The Antichrist has been revealed for 500+ years, ever since ALL the Protestant Reformers understood Bible Prophecy correctly and pointed out, that the Papacy was and is the Antichrist, which WAS a BIG part of the Protestant Reformation.
Do you not believe history or Bible Prophecy?


Daniel 12:11 states:
"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." (Daniel 12:11, KJV)
This is referring to the end of the daily sacrifice that occurred with the death of Jesus Christ on the cross. The term "daily sacrifice" and relates to the sacrificial system in the Old Testament, which was fulfilled in Christ's death.

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Amen, we see what the Reformers held on this prophecy. Here is a list I came across of Pre-Reformation and Reformers Interpretations:

Date Name Reference Interpretation

c. 1310 Dante Alighieri
Rev. 17 Harlot=Roman Church

c. 1331 Michael of Cesena
Rev. 17 Harlot/Antichrist=Roman Church, Pope

c. 1345 Johannes de Rupescissa
Antichrist, Rev. 17 Babylon, Rev. 17 Harlot=Pope/Roman church


c. 1350 Francesco Petrarch
Rev. 17 Harlot=Papal Court

c. 1367 John Milicz
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Man of Sin=Papacy


c. 1379 John Wycliffe
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn. Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot=Pope/Papacy


c. 1388 Matthias of Janow
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Man of Sin. Rev. 17 Harlot, Rev. 17 Babylon=Hierarchy/Papacy


c. 1390 John Purvey
Antichrist, Rev. 13 666, Rev. 17 Harlot, Rev. 17 Babylon=Pope/Papacy


c. 1393 Walter Brute
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn, Man of Sin=Papacy/Bishop of Rome/Papacy

c. 1412 John Huss
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Pope/Papacy


c. 1497 Girolamo Savonarola
Antichrist, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot, Rev. 17 Babylon=Pope/Papacy

Reformation Era Interpretations:

1522 Martin Luther
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1543 Philipp Melanchthon
Antichrist, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1545 Andreas Osiander
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1554 Nicolaus von Amsdorf
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1558 Johann Funck
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1560 Virgil Solis
Antichrist, Little Horn, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1570 Georg Nigrinus
Antichrist= Pope

1572 David Chytraeus
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin= Papacy

1530 Johann Oecolampadius
Antichrist, Little Horn=Papacy

1557 Heinrich Bullinger
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1550 William Tyndale
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1545 George Joys
Antichrist, Little Horn=Papacy

1554 Nicholas Ridley
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Rev. 17 Harlot. Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Beast=Papacy

1553 Hugh Latimer
Antichrist=Papacy

1582 Thomas Cranmer
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

1550 John Bale
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot, Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Beast=Papacy

1562 John Jewel
Antichrist, Abomination of Desolation, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot, Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Beast=Papacy

1587 John Foxe
Antichrist, Man of Sin=Bishop of Rome

1563 Anglican Formulas
Antichrist=Papacy

1547 John Knox
Antichrist, Little Horn=Church of Rome/Papacy

1593 John Napier
Antichrist, Man of Sin, Rev. 13 1st Beast, Rev. 17 Harlot, Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Beast =Pope/Papacy/Latin Empire

1614 Thomas Brightman
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Pope/Papacy

1618 David Pareus
Antichrist, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Beast=Pope/Papacy

Sir Isaac Newton
Antichrist, Little Horn, Man of Sin, Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy

John Wesley
Man of Sin. Rev. 17 Harlot. Rev. 17 Babylon=Papacy also Antichrist

And they ask the question, "In view of the foregoing Reformation interpretations identifying Papacy as the Antichrist and Man of Sin, why do so many Evangelical Protestants today believe the Man of Sin and Antichrist are future individuals?" Reformation Views

We see the Protestant churches turn from what they held and purpose and slowly drift back to the grasp of the Papal Power, the AntiChrist entity which fulfills what prophecy gives us.
 
That is what my brother in the church told us, I think that is what we must do, as we are so close to the Second Coming not much else needs to be done...

Hello Reddogs. That's a good point. Whatever someone believes about the timing of the rapture we can all take encouragement and inspiration from certain truths. Blessed are those who will be about the Lord's work when he returns, let us never be weary in working for the Kingdom because our work for the Lord is never in vain. The Lord is coming, that's a certainty, tonight tomorrow or further on, he is coming. He will wipe every tear from our eyes. No more suffering, no more death. And we will see believing loved ones again and be reunited with them. God Bless :)
 
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