Can a Christian re-marry?

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There is a difference between loving the LAW more than the One who wrote the Law for our benefit.

Which is why the New Covenant exists without legalism. Its freedom to do what is right and good without an arbitrary line.

There only exists the Laws of Love.

The two greatest Commandments.

Meaning you do have to love yourself. And sometimes you have to walk away from self destructive people because "bad company destroys good morals"
 
Is it biblical?
Let's say someone divorces due to unfaithfulness of their partner. Can they re-marry, or no?
Thanks!
I'll give two main positions on the manner.

The first is the 'traditional view'. This is a view that you can find a lot of quotes from different individuals- St. so and so affirmed it. Greek Orthodox are a little looser about allowing the divorced and remarried in.

So the interpretation rests on Mark 10 and the equivalent passage in Luke. Matthew 19 is a parallel passage. When asked if a man may put away his wife for every cause, Jesus referred to two shall be one flesh. They asked why Moses commanded to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away. Jesus said to them that Moses for the hardness of your hearts allowed you to divorce your wives but from the beginning it was not so.

Then Jesus said that whoever puts away his wife, except it be for fornication, and marries another commits adultery, and he that marries her that is divorced commits adultery.

The Mark version has different details. In Mark's version, the disciples ask Him about this in the house, and he says that whoever puts away his wife commits adultery against her and she who puts away her husband she commits adultery against him.

Judaism doesn't really allow wives to divorce husbands but Herodias had done this with her first husband, possibly, using the chief priests to do so.

One traditional view argument is that Jesus said this statement above with 'except it be for fornication' to the Pharisees, but stated it again without 'the exception clause' in the house talking to His disciples, because it was theirs to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, and so this is how Christians should handle the issue.

Another issue is that it seems like 'epi' was added to the exception clause in later manuscripts, and that Erasmus, who compiled a New Testament text from other manuscripts, called the Textus Receptus, which was influential during the Reformation (though he remained Roman Catholic). Without it, the phrase says 'me porneia', 'not fornication', which is a little less clear that it means 'except it be for fornication' and is a bit vaguer.

The typical historical Protestant interpretation allowed for divorce in the case of fornication.

In the case of the believer married to the unbeliever, Paul says to let the unbeliever depart, so some Protestants allow for remarriage in that case as well. Paul stated this as his opinion, not something he had a commandment of the Lord about.

And of course over time, this has expanded as divorce has become more socially accepted since the sexual revolution, so there are people applying the passage about one married to an unbeliever to Christian couples. And many accept abuse as, not just a cause to separate, but also as a grounds for remarriage. Then there are those who expand 'abuse' beyond physical abuse to verbal and emotional or financial abuse. A World Health Organization survey on interpartner violence is so vague that a man who doesn't give his wife money for a Gucci purse could be lumped in with wife beaters.

There are plenty of individuals who go to church and just divorce without much regard for the teachings of Christ, or even hear teaching encouraging or permitting it from the pulpit. Many churches do not practice church discipline at all and kind of ignore people going through difficult situations or who are outright sinning. And with the megachurch trend, it is very easy to get lost in a sea of faces.
 
My point for that post was not to condemn anyone but to highlight that very few people r still with the first person that they had sex with , so the vast majority of us r adulterers , we r all filthy sinners ! We should not b judging each other but judging ourselves and , acknowledging our sin before God and asking Him to forgive us through Christ . If we have done that then we r forgiven and whatever state we r in , is our starting point .
Both my husband and I had previous relationships . I have prayed to God and asked Him that , Steve and I might b man and wife in His eyes . I believe my prayers were answered positively so I'm content and confident about our relationship being valid in God's eyes . That's all that matters . Getting close to God is a journey . It didn't start when we first heard about Him , it started when we were conceived . He brings us to Himself and He uses our life experiences to teach us , about ourselves , this world and Himself . It's an on going process and along the way we will make mistakes , some of them big ones ! But He is faithful , faithful to teach us and bring us to Himself at the pace that He knows is best for us as an individual . We r a flock of sheep for sure , but we r also individuals , we learn and process things in different ways and at different speeds , this is why we can't judge each other . God knows us better than we can ever know ourselves and He knows how to keep us , safe and close to Him . All we have to do is surrender and love . We should not judge each others journey / learning process , that what life in these kingdoms of men is , a journey of learning to bring us to a better understanding and relationship with our Faithful Father . He wants us and He will get us ❤️❤️❤️ God bless u .
Married people should become one flesh-- consummating after marriage. But becoming one flesh does not mean two people are necessarily married. Paul said that the one who lays with a prostitute is one with her in body. How likely is it that one would lay with a virgin prostitute? Those women had been with the other men in the town. Likely these were the bald pagan cult prostitutes, covered in white lead paint. That was a part of their society, and part of pagan religion. Maybe there were other prostitutes as well that weren't so entwined with the pagan religion. But be that as it may, they weren't marrying these prostitutes, or the sex would not be called fornication.

In the Old Testament, Shechem defiled Dinah, but he wasn't married to her until her father gave her in marriage.

Now, the law that requires... on the man's side, a man who seduces an unbetrothed virgin to marry her, if her father agrees, would help preserve that 'two shall be one flesh' principle, but the father could still reject him as a son-in-law and they would not be married.
 
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There is a difference between loving the LAW more than the One who wrote the Law for our benefit.

Which is why the New Covenant exists without legalism. Its freedom to do what is right and good without an arbitrary line.

There only exists the Laws of Love.

The two greatest Commandments.

Meaning you do have to love yourself. And sometimes you have to walk away from self destructive people because "bad company destroys good morals"
If you love yourself little, it follows that you have less of a requirement on you to love others. But in reality, as Paul teaches, we all love ourselves.

I didn't read the whole book, but I flipped through a Dave Hunt book from the 80's. It contained a section, 'the myth of self hate.' He gave an example. A woman looks in the mirror and says, "I am so ugly. I hate myself." He said if she hated herself, she would be happy that she was ugly.
 
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There is a teaching going around that Matthew 19 is referring to the issue of divorcing wives without certificates, as if Jesus were only condemning putting away wives without certificates, and just find with divorce with the right paperwork. Of course, this does not fit the wording of the passage at all.

If we dig into the historical context, the Mishna records the debate between the Schools of Hillel (Beit Hillel) and Shammai (Beit Shammai) regarding divorce, including Hillel's alllowing it for reasons like a wife burning food, specifically in Tractate Gittin, Chapter 9, Mishnah 10. This is further elaborated in the Talmud (Gemara) on that same passage (Gittin 90a-b).

Their views appear to be the source of the 'any cause' debate regarding divorce and remarriage. Hillel died around 10 AD and Shammai died around 30 AD, but their followers, their schools, were different camps within the Pharisees.
 
If you love yourself little, it follows that you have less of a requirement on you to love others. But in reality, as Paul teaches, we all love ourselves.

I didn't read the whole book, but I flipped through a Dave Hunt book from the 80's. It contained a section, 'the myth of self hate.' He gave an example. A woman looks in the mirror and says, "I am so ugly. I hate myself." He said if she hated herself, she would be happy that she was ugly.
You are still running on incomplete knowledge as you forgot the passages in Romans.

But also you are failing to see the totality....the larger view of what Jesus's mission and New Covenant is about.

Jesus did NOT want legalism.

The Letter of the Law brings DEATH. (And you are trying to make a Law out of Jesus's admonition of the actions of the Pharisees and priests which was tantamount to literal wife swapping.

When Jesus used the word "pornea" it's a massive clue He was speaking euphemistically and not literally.

And there was the active and ongoing practice of "putting away a wife" that killed her slowly by starvation and exposure....or by becoming a prostitute slave. There exists "marriage parlors" in the middle east now That rival any whore house anywhere else in the world where people get married and divorced an hour later.

Unfaithful wives were stoned to death...women were a half step above property...still considered sub human.
Your Westernized mindset can't grasp this concept. You could beat a wife so long as you didn't bruise her face and no one would say anything or do anything.

Then there was the test for an unfaithful wife....everyone seems to forget about this practice too...

Y'all just want to create a legalism and begin judging others. The New Covenant doesn't work that way and never has.

2nd marriages are extremely risky propositions. 2 out of 3 fail miserably. 3rd marriages moreso with 3 out of 4 failing. (It gets worse with subsequent marriages)

Everyone, including you, wants to point a finger and lay blame....and those usually caught up in failed plural marriages never seem to own their own faults. Not even going to argue about that. But it's NOT a universal codified law about remarriage.

And Malachi done said that Put Away women who remarry witjout getting divorced are putting their sin on either their current husband or past his or both.
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There is a teaching going around that Matthew 19 is referring to the issue of divorcing wives without certificates, as if Jesus were only condemning putting away wives without certificates, and just find with divorce with the right paperwork. Of course, this does not fit the wording of the passage at all.

If we dig into the historical context, the Mishna records the debate between the Schools of Hillel (Beit Hillel) and Shammai (Beit Shammai) regarding divorce, including Hillel's alllowing it for reasons like a wife burning food, specifically in Tractate Gittin, Chapter 9, Mishnah 10. This is further elaborated in the Talmud (Gemara) on that same passage (Gittin 90a-b).

Their views appear to be the source of the 'any cause' debate regarding divorce and remarriage. Hillel died around 10 AD and Shammai died around 30 AD, but their followers, their schools, were different camps within the Pharisees.

You have to go back to Hebrew and Aramaic....not Greek.
 
Yep....she does.

It's NOT LOOPHOLES
It's hermeneutics. Huge difference


Does she really? Why be so vociferous about this though? Do you want to get divorced even if it's not based on your wife committing adultery? Does she know how hard you're fighting to make Christian divorce in the Bible sound less restrictive than it really is?

This is why I'm not married. Before I got saved, I thought if my marriage doesn't work out, I'll just divorce him and marry someone else. But God showed me how special marriage is to Him in the Bible. It's not to be taken lightly and divorce shouldn't happen because you fell out of love for your spouse. No, you work it out! God blessed me with my parents and witnessing their marriage. They've been through everything including unfaithfulness, but they stuck in and worked to stay together. That's the way if should be and what God intends. You won't ever see my parents fight to make divorce in the Bible easy.


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Are you one of these people who thinks the Peshitta text in Aramaic is the original? Deuteronomy was written in Hebrew.
No....

The Greek New Testament can be translated into ancient Aramaic and Hebrew if desired. Or just looking at the Syriac manuscripts gets you most of the way there.

Matthew 19 is one of the most controversial chapters in the New Testament. Wars have been fought over how it was translated.

Now in Matthew 13 Jesus point blank says he is not going to preach plainly within earshot of the religious elite.

But for some reason people wish to exegete Matthew 19&21 as flat as a pancake.
 
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Is it biblical?
Let's say someone divorces due to unfaithfulness of their partner. Can they re-marry, or no?
Thanks!
It says we aren't bound to be with an unbeliever. And it says if the spouse has sex with a prostitute, that the two becomes one which means they're married.
 
No....

The Greek New Testament can be translated into ancient Aramaic and Hebrew if desired. Or just looking at the Syriac manuscripts gets you most of the way there.

Matthew 19 is one of the most controversial chapters in the New Testament. Wars have been fought over how it was translated.

Name one such war please.

Now in Matthew 13 Jesus point blank says he is not going to preach plainly within earshot of the religious elite.

One of the arguments for the traditional view is that Jesus spoke the secrets-- without the exception clause-- in the house to the disciples, not allowing any remarriage while the other spouse was alive.
But for some reason people wish to exegete Matthew 19&21 as flat as a pancake.

If we look up the historical context, it leads to a rather straightforward understanding of the passage. What secrets do you think are hidden in the Hebrew or Aramaic?
 
It says we aren't bound to be with an unbeliever. And it says if the spouse has sex with a prostitute, that the two becomes one which means they're married.
So would you say if a man slept with a prostitute once and confesses his sin, that he can go back and keep having sex with that prostitute over and over again because he is married to him?

Clearly that is a bad interpretation because Paul treats sex with a prostitute as sin, fornication.

A man is supposed to become one flesh with his wife. If he becomes one flesh with a prostitute he hires (or one of the many free ones out there) that's fornication, not marriage. The father gives the bride in marriage. God gave Adam to Eve before two became one flesh.
 
You are still running on incomplete knowledge as you forgot the passages in Romans.

But also you are failing to see the totality....the larger view of what Jesus's mission and New Covenant is about.

Jesus did NOT want legalism.

The Letter of the Law brings DEATH. (And you are trying to make a Law out of Jesus's admonition of the actions of the Pharisees and priests which was tantamount to literal wife swapping.

I can see here that you are confused. Jesus wants His words obeyed... 'teaching them to obey.' You are conflating some vague principle of law with obedience with the law of Moses.

When Jesus used the word "pornea" it's a massive clue He was speaking euphemistically and not literally.

Odd transliteration there. But if you have a point to make, make it clearly.

And there was the active and ongoing practice of "putting away a wife" that killed her slowly by starvation and exposure....or by becoming a prostitute slave. There exists "marriage parlors" in the middle east now That rival any whore house anywhere else in the world where people get married and divorced an hour later.

A topic not mentioned or addressed in the passage. The passage discusses divorce WITH the certificate. 'Whosoever puts away his wife' clearly includes the one who does so with a certificate like Moses taught... which is clearly mentioned in the passage.

I also know of no evidence that the Pharisees considered making one's wife a prostitute to be acceptable. They did have a disagreement among Pharisees at the time of Christ about the grounds for divorce, as recorded in the Mishnah and Talmud.

Unfaithful wives were stoned to death...women were a half step above property...still considered sub human.

I suspect most unfaithful wives were not stone. Stoning adulterers is Old Testament justice, both male and female. God commanded it. Women a step above property... probably more ethnocentric interpretations of past cultures... but all you wrote in the quote above has little to do with good hermeneutics or the actual historical context that is relevant to the passage.

Your Westernized mindset can't grasp this concept.

What does 'this concept' have to do with interpreting the passage? If you have an actual point about how to interpret the passage, make it, instead of vaguely trying to characterize those who disagree with you as ignorant. Btw, the stuff I have written is consistent with theological articles on the subject.

You could beat a wife so long as you didn't bruise her face and no one would say anything or do anything.

I think you are confusing Islam. As I recall, they do not allow beating on the face. I have looked up this topic vis-a-vis Judaism and during the post-Islamic era in an Islamic controlled region, there was at least one falsely called rabbi who allowed for wife beating. The case where it was suggested that a man beat a woman who cursed parents-in-law might have been earlier. That is a severe offense considering her husband would deserve execution if he had done so. Otherwise, I don't know of any evidence for this sort of thing. Where did Judaistic scholars of the period make such statements about wife-beating?

Then there was the test for an unfaithful wife....everyone seems to forget about this practice too...

They reasoned themselves out of practicing this in any way in the post-exhilic period. But what does this have to do with how to intepret Matthew 19 or Mark 10?

Y'all just want to create a legalism and begin judging others. The New Covenant doesn't work that way and never has.
You equate discussing what Jesus taught with judging others. Does your conscience bother you? This sort of reasoning is the cry of the gay mob, too. If you tell them men shouldn't have sex with each other, they say 'Judge not that ye be not judged'-- as if Jesus were condemning telling right from wrong. Are you pro LGBT sex, too?
And Malachi done said that Put Away women who remarry witjout getting divorced are putting their sin on either their current husband or past his or both.

Please quote the verse from Malachi that you think conveys this idea.