The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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Just be aware that you might be holding hollow traditions..
I ask for biblical texts to prove your statements but you just keep making and believing these unproven points.
The 10 commandments were never removed in the bible anywhere.
So be careful that you don't presume that all these changes have been made.
The Catholic church boasts about changing the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. And today people just say they are removed by grace.. but this is not what the Bible teaches.
Rom 7:12-14
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
If the law was made void by the death of Jesus why does Paul say it is a Good thing.

Just be aware that YOU might be holding hollow traditions. I ask for biblical texts to prove your statements, but you just keep making
and believing these unproven points.

The Sabbath law was never commanded in the NT anywhere, so be careful that you don't presume that it is still unchanged.

Rom. 7:12-14 says nothing about the Sabbath, but Col. 2:16-17 says not to let anyone judge you regarding a Sabbath day, because it is a shadow of the reality that was to come, namely Christ, and Heb. 7:18 says that the Levitical laws were set aside for being useless and replaced with a better hope, namely Jesus.

So there are your biblical texts (be careful what you ask for); happy now? :love:
 
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Mostly agree.

Thanks for the heads-up. It's been a daily big issue for me for several decades now.

Any other rules against use of the Text?
Using Col 2 is a single verse that holds no weight in proving that the 7th day sabbath has been made void.
But many use this one verse continually.

Use a few witnesses from other places to prove your point.

The Worship issue .... Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, ...

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
 
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Someone might suggest that after we enter into spiritual rest there would be no need to observe the memorial of it by keeping the Sabbath physically. But if that were true, we would have to also stop practicing water baptism. Immersion memorializes our death to the old man of sin. We experience that conversion before entering the water to be baptized. If the physical observance is unnecessary just because we have had the spiritual symbolism fulfilled in us, then we should abandon the physical custom.
Further, we would have to renounce the practice of celebrating the Lord’s Supper.

Here is what John the Baptist said about baptism.

Matthew 3:11
As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier
than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Now tell me whether Jesus fulfilled the physical water baptism of John.
With the spiritual baptism which is the opposite of the water baptism, a baptism of fire
and the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 5:17

Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.

Of course you realize that John was a prophet so John is included in the Law and the prophets.
Therefore, Jesus fulfilled the baptism of John. This is not difficult to see.



 
So does the Lord mandate that the 4th commandment is void? No
Don't use Col 2 as this is clearly referring to feast days and yearly sabbaths not the weekly sabbath.

People will always find reasons to believe what they want to believe..

Worship for God is going to be a big issue soon.

Will people worship God or man

Man set up Sunday observance
God sanctified the 7th day.

When you need to choose between the 7th day or the 1st day, think about who your worshiping?

I am a Gentile and have never been under the law nor in covenant with God.

The sabbath was a sign of the former covenant between God and Israel.

Hebrews 8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete
and growing old is ready to disappear.

Hebrews 7:12
For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.

Hebrews 7:18
For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness
and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect)
, and on the other hand there is a bringing in
of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Hebrews 7:22
So much more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
 
If sin = death
And sin is the transgression of the law.

The transgression of the law = death.

To a Gentile the clause sin is the transgression of the law has no meaning.

Simply because the Gentiles were never under the ceremonial law as you call it.

The Gentiles were never circumcised.

The Gentiles did not even know God as Paul states.

So where did you ever get the idea that Gentiles can transgress the written law??????
 
Just be aware that you might be holding hollow traditions..
I ask for biblical texts to prove your statements but you just keep making and believing these unproven points.

The 10 commandments were never removed in the bible anywhere.

So be careful that you don't presume that all these changes have been made.

The Catholic church boasts about changing the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. And today people just say they are removed by grace.. but this is not what the Bible teaches.

Rom 7:12-14
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

If the law was made void by the death of Jesus why does Paul say it is a Good thing.

The ten commandments were physical, written law given to Israel in covenant with God.

Your deeply mistaken if you think that Gentiles were in the former covenant with God.

Of course, the law is good but it kills, it condemns, and that is it's purpose.
 
Here is what John the Baptist said about baptism.

Matthew 3:11
As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier
than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Now tell me whether Jesus fulfilled the physical water baptism of John.
With the spiritual baptism which is the opposite of the water baptism, a baptism of fire
and the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 5:17
Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.

Of course you realize that John was a prophet so John is included in the Law and the prophets.
Therefore, Jesus fulfilled the baptism of John. This is not difficult to see.
I think you will find the baptism of fire is not what you think...

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mat 3:12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

Luk 3:16 John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Luk 3:17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."

The baptism with fire is the Lake of Fire.
 
The ten commandments were physical, written law given to Israel in covenant with God.

Your deeply mistaken if you think that Gentiles were in the former covenant with God.

Of course, the law is good but it kills, it condemns, and that is it's purpose.

The Law is NOT physical...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Heb 8:5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "SEE THAT YOU MAKE ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN SHOWN YOU ON THE MOUNTAIN."

What was in the tabernacle? The Ark of the Covenant. What was in the Ark?

2Ch 5:10 Nothing was in the ark except the two tablets which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they had come out of Egypt.

The Law. Now, let's look at Rev 11:19

Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

So, since Moses had to make an exact copy of the things in Heaven ad the Ark was made exactly as God showed him (Heb 11:5), what do you suppose is in the Ark in Heaven? Obviously the Law. So, do you suppose the Law might be spiritual after all?
 
I think you will find the baptism of fire is not what you think...

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mat 3:12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

Luk 3:16 John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Luk 3:17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."

The baptism with fire is the Lake of Fire.

Hebrews 1:7
And regarding the angels He says, He makes His angels winds, and His ministers a flame of fire.

Acts 2:3
And tongues that looked like fire appeared to them, distributing themselves, and a tongue rested on each one of them.

1 Peter 1:7
So that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which perishes though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
 
The Law is NOT physical...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Heb 8:5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "SEE THAT YOU MAKE ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN SHOWN YOU ON THE MOUNTAIN."

What was in the tabernacle? The Ark of the Covenant. What was in the Ark?

2Ch 5:10 Nothing was in the ark except the two tablets which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they had come out of Egypt.

The Law. Now, let's look at Rev 11:19

Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

So, since Moses had to make an exact copy of the things in Heaven ad the Ark was made exactly as God showed him (Heb 11:5), what do you suppose is in the Ark in Heaven? Obviously the Law. So, do you suppose the Law might be spiritual after all?

The law is a written text.

Have a look at Exodus 20.

Exodus 20 is not God's law written on your heart.

Here is your question; What was in the Ark?

Aarons rod that budded and a jar of manna. Me winner man.

Don't think that the written law is in heaven because there is no sin in heaven.

No need for a written list of laws when your transformed into the image of Christ.

The law is not eternal but temporary.
 
The Law is NOT physical...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Heb 8:5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "SEE THAT YOU MAKE ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN SHOWN YOU ON THE MOUNTAIN."

What was in the tabernacle? The Ark of the Covenant. What was in the Ark?

2Ch 5:10 Nothing was in the ark except the two tablets which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they had come out of Egypt.

The Law. Now, let's look at Rev 11:19

Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

So, since Moses had to make an exact copy of the things in Heaven ad the Ark was made exactly as God showed him (Heb 11:5), what do you suppose is in the Ark in Heaven? Obviously the Law. So, do you suppose the Law might be spiritual after all?

Of course the law is spiritual.

Romans 7:6
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that
we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

The oldness of the letter means the ten commandments.

Please notice: we serve in newness of the Spirit, which means ministries, gifts, and fruit, therein.
 
This dispute was officially settled almost 2,000 years ago by decree. All the info can be found in Acts 15

The trouble all started when Jewish spies were secretly sent out (Acts 15:1) by a Pharisee sect that infiltrated the church at Jerusalem (Acts 15:5). This Pharisee sect had secretly went over the heads of the apostles and elders (Acts 15:24), and sent spies out to get the Gentiles in Asia to get circumcised and keep the law.

Now there are Sabbath commanders who falsely teach that the spies were sent out to only convince the Gentiles in Asia to get circumcised because they were already keeping the law. To claim that Paul, or other Jewish converts, taught Gentiles to keep the law, or any altered form or version of the law by isolating the Ten Commandments, without the requirement of circumcision, is preposterous; circumcision was essential to keeping the law, and the Ten Commandments were never isolated from the law and taught separately by Jews or anyone else until an American Gentile woman came around in the 18th/19th century.

So, no doubt, this resulted in a tremendous disagreement between Paul and Barnabas on one side and the Pharisee spies on the other.

So it was determined that they should go up to Jerusalem, where the spies came from, and see whether or not this was actually a command coming from the apostles and elders at Jerusalem. Now when they got to Jerusalem, that Pharisee sect, who secretly sent out the spies said, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (verse 5).

So we can see clearly, that these spies were not just sent there to convince the Gentiles to get circumcised, they were also sent there “to command them to keep the law of Moses” and we all know the law of Moses, or sometimes called “the law” for short, includes the 7th day Sabbath.

So finally Peter, the most senior apostle, rose up and said that God, who knows the heart, showed no distinction between the Jews who believed and were circumcised and kept the law and the Gentiles who believed and who were not circumcised nor kept the law because God gave them the Holy Spirit just as He did to them.

So Peter went on to say, “why put a yoke” on the neck of the Gentile believers that neither the Jews or their fathers were able to bear. Now is Peter talking about the “yoke” of circumcision only? Of course not. Once you get circumcised, there is no longer any yoke to bear, but keeping the law of Moses, that’s a yoke that even the Jews couldn’t bear.

So they wrote up a decree that said: "...some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment." Acts 15: 24

This clearly shows that there was never any official commandment made to Gentiles to get circumcised and keep the law, the law of Moses which includes the Sabbath. The decree wasn't just about not requiring circumcision, as many falsely claim, it was about not requiring Gentiles to get circumcised and keep the law of Moses, the law of Moses which includes the 7th day Sabbath and other Sabbaths and Holy days.

Then the decree goes on to say,

“For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us,

Very important to note: this decree wasn’t only coming from the senior apostles, it was coming from the Holy Spirit (God).

“...to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.”

The Sabbath commanders will attack this by saying that “are you abstaining from eating blood and things strangled too? Or, “So are you are saying it’s OK to murder and lie because it’s OK not to observe the Sabbath”?

Firstly, with regards to blood eating and things strangled, an honest observer knows that this is totally irrelevant for today, but the sexual immorality certainly is. Eating blood, food offered to idols and things strangled were very common among Gentiles which to the Jews of that time, who wouldn’t even eat at the same table as Gentiles, were unimaginably abhorrent practices.

And with regards to commands that were not mentioned in the decree, lying, stealing, murder… not even a barbarian, let alone those who have received the Holy Spirit, need to be reminded that doing those things are wrong. The decree is primarily about what Gentile believers are not required to do (get circumcised and keep the law of Moses, which includes the Sabbaths) not so much about what they are required to do. This is because the decree is addressing the main issue: do Gentile believers have to “get circumcised and keep the law”? Is this something Gentiles are required to do? No! And the Sabbath, like the law of circumcision and other Sabbath laws and Holy day observances, were unique to the law of Moses “the law” and therefore are not required for Gentiles to observe. They were not even required for Jewish believers to observe and it really caused them a lot of problems trying to put New Wine into old wine skins which eventually (burst) with the destruction of the Temple in 70AD and the end of the Church at Jerusalem.
 
Your deeply mistaken if you think that Gentiles were in the former covenant with God.

Your mistaken by dividing the Gentiles and Jews today.

Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The context of those days sets the seen...

The Jews were so set on keeping the tradition of the law that they could not see Jesus... Jesus was what the laws were pointing to but they held the useless ceremonies of lambs and goats over the blood of Jesus..
This mind set continued after Jesus and for some time the Jews were zealous about the laws.
They would not allow themselves or others to move on and believe in Jesus...

Faith vs works of the law.

Galatians 3 Paul talks about those that foolishly follow the laws..

But the laws are not the Ten Commandments..

Was sin present in Abraham's day.. what defined sin. There must have been a form of righteousness that people understood to be God's will. Morals. Laws.

Laws have existed from the beginning. There must be laws in heaven because Iniquity was found in Satan.

in pauls day people were pushing the laws in extreme ways and today it is the opposite.

The devil works in extremes.
 
Actually Jesus redefines much of the 10 Commandments making them valid this very moment like instead of coveting your neighbors wife it's just now thinking about her or instead of murdering someone it's just thinking about killing them or harming them.

Jesus made the 10 Commandments even more impossible to keep in order to show just how much we need God to intervene on our behalf.

But if we're able to keep them it's purely because we do love God and our neighbors as ourselves, which is another thing Jesus summed the 10 Commandments down to.

So the 10 Commandments are alive and well and as valid for today than at any other time.
 
I am a Gentile and have never been under the law nor in covenant with God.

The sabbath was a sign of the former covenant between God and Israel.

Hebrews 8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete
and growing old is ready to disappear.

Hebrews 7:12
For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.

Hebrews 7:18
For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness
and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect)
, and on the other hand there is a bringing in
of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Hebrews 7:22
So much more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
The root of your mistake is simple. You are trying to make covenant language erase the commandments that God Himself said would stand forever. Jesus never taught this, and neither did the prophets. How long will you reject the truth of scripture and replace with your own man made doctrines?

First, Jesus never said Gentiles were outside of God’s expectations. In Matthew 28:19 He told His disciples to teach “all nations.” This means His teachings, His commandments, and His ways are for everyone. He did not have one standard for Jews and another for Gentiles. In John 10:16 He spoke of “other sheep” that were not of Israel. He said they would hear His voice and become one flock with one Shepherd. One Shepherd means one teaching, one way, one obedience.

Second, Jesus made it clear that the commandments remain the measure of sin and obedience for all people. In Matthew 5:19 He warned that anyone who breaks “one of the least of these commandments” and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. He said this to the crowds, not only to Jews. And He did not say “only the Jews must keep them.” He spoke about people, not tribes.

Third, Scripture shows that Gentile nations were judged by God long before Israel even existed. In Genesis 6 and in Genesis 18 to 19, God punished whole nations for wickedness. They were not Jews, and they were not under the Sinai covenant. Yet God held them accountable because His moral law is universal. God’s law is His character. It applies to all people because He is the God of all the earth.

Fourth, the Sabbath did not begin with Israel. It began at creation. In Genesis 2:2 to 3 God blessed the seventh day and made it holy. This was before Abraham, before Moses, before Israel even existed. Something God blessed at creation belongs to all humanity, just like marriage and life itself. Israel later received the Sabbath as a sign of the covenant, but the day itself belongs to God from the beginning.

Fifth, Jesus kept the Sabbath and taught the true way to honor it. He never treated it as something temporary or as something that would disappear. In Matthew 24:20 He warned His disciples to pray that their future flight would not be on the Sabbath. This warning points far ahead, long after His resurrection. If the Sabbath were ending, He would not give a command about it for the future.

Sixth, when someone says, “I am a Gentile and have never been under the law,” they forget that Jesus will judge all nations, not only Israel. In Matthew 25:31 to 46 Jesus describes His return. All nations are gathered before Him, and He judges them by obedience, love, mercy, and righteousness. Jesus is not only the Judge of Israel. He is the Judge of all people. If the law made nothing perfect, the commandments still reveal what is good, right, and pleasing to God.

Seventh, Jesus said plainly in John 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” He did not say, “If you are Jewish.” He did not say, “If you are under the Sinai covenant.” He spoke to disciples who would go into all nations. His commandments are the Father’s commandments, the same commandments that define sin in the Old Testament. In Matthew 19:17 He told the man who asked about eternal life that if he wanted to enter into life, he must keep the commandments.

So the whole argument collapses for one simple reason. you base your false teaching on a covenant argument, not on Jesus. Jesus never said the commandments are abolished. He never said Gentiles are free from God’s law. He never said the Sabbath will disappear. He never said there are two different standards. He never divided His followers this way.
God’s expectations are the same for all people because He is the same God for all. Jesus came to bring us back to the Father’s ways, not free us from them.
 
It’s pointless continuing to dispute with Sabbath commanders who disobey a Holy Spirit-backed decree that settled this identical dispute almost 2,000 years ago. I’m sure when Paul and Barnabas were disputing with the Pharisee spies, that some of the same scriptures that were used then are still used today by the modern Sabbath commanders. And that’s why they brought this identical dispute to the senior apostles, Peter and James and the elders who all concluded that “no such commandment” was ever given by them to the Gentiles and that “no such commandment” will ever be given to the Gentiles from that point going forward.

It’s clear that the decree was still in full effect when several years later Paul met James at Jerusalem who was concerned that Paul was teaching the Jews of Asia the same things he was teaching the Gentile believers when he said, “But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.” (Acts 21:25)

And what was that “no such thing” that the Gentiles were still not required to observe? to “’...be circumcised and keep the law’—to whom we gave no such commandment." And “the law” which is the law of Moses, includes the Sabbath. Acts 15: 24

So from what I can observe, Sabbath commanders who have read this clear explanation of the decree, and continue to ignore the decree and teach others that they are required to observe the Sabbath to be saved, are willfully disobeying God, and it’s impossible to change the course of those engaged in willful disobedience.
 
If the law was made void by the death of Jesus why does Paul say it is a Good thing.

If you would quit taking things out of context, you would not ask that question. But you are not really interested in an answer are you? You are simply defending your own beliefs, and backed into a corner so you come out with an absolutely silly question because you avoid the truth of looking at that in the context of all Paul said.

You might as well ask why don't we keep offering animal sacrifice since God instituted it?

Here we go:

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Romans 7

But please, stay away from Romans because some people say it is hard to understand and ESPECIALLY do not read ALL of Romans 7 if you are fearful of change. It will or SHOULD change how you view the law and that could be scary. You might have to think about what it is you actually believe.
 
Hebrews 4:10 says the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Believers have entered in God’s rest through Jesus as God ceased or rested from His works in the seventh day of creation. God's ultimate, true rest did not come through Joshua or Moses, but through Jesus Christ. Joshua led Israel into the promised land, which was merely the earthly rest which was but a shadow of what was involved in the heavenly rest. The rest in Christ that God offers is spiritual and is superior to that which Joshua obtained. Israel's earthly rest was filled with conflict and attacks from their enemies and the daily cycle of work.

Exactly why we do not try to earn salvation. We do not try to keep the commandments. We cannot keep the commandments. The premise of this op is about as far from the gospel as you can get while still trying to sound holy and all about the Bible.

Excellent post.
 
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It’s pointless continuing to dispute with Sabbath commanders who disobey a Holy Spirit-backed decree that settled this identical dispute almost 2,000 years ago. I’m sure when Paul and Barnabas were disputing with the Pharisee spies, that some of the same scriptures that were used then are still used today by the modern Sabbath commanders. And that’s why they brought this identical dispute to the senior apostles, Peter and James and the elders who all concluded that “no such commandment” was ever given by them to the Gentiles and that “no such commandment” will ever be given to the Gentiles from that point going forward.

It’s clear that the decree was still in full effect when several years later Paul met James at Jerusalem who was concerned that Paul was teaching the Jews of Asia the same things he was teaching the Gentile believers when he said, “But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.” (Acts 21:25)

And what was that “no such thing” that the Gentiles were still not required to observe? to “’...be circumcised and keep the law’—to whom we gave no such commandment." And “the law” which is the law of Moses, includes the Sabbath. Acts 15: 24

So from what I can observe, Sabbath commanders who have read this clear explanation of the decree, and continue to ignore the decree and teach others that they are required to observe the Sabbath to be saved, are willfully disobeying God, and it’s impossible to change the course of those engaged in willful disobedience.

The Bible informs us that those who refuse the truth are destroyed. Not my words.

and by unlimited seduction to evil and with all the deception of wickedness for those who are perishing, because they did not welcome the love of the truth [of the gospel] so as to be saved [they were spiritually blind, and rejected the truth that would have saved them]. Amp. Bible II Thess. 2:10

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, I Tim. 4:1

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world. / By this you will know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, / and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and which is already in the world at this time. ...I John 4: 1-6