Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Isaiah 1 v 4-5 Alas, O sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a brood of evildoers, children of depravity! They have forsaken the LORD; they have despised the Holy One of Israel and turned their backs on Him. Why do you want more beatings? Why do you keep rebelling? Your head has a massive wound, and your whole heart is afflicted.
 
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rogerg said:
Not really.
As Rom 3:11 informs us, that man left to himself in reality does not nor will he ever seek after God, therefore, of himself he can never find Him.
He is not far from each one of us only because God is everywhere all at once.
The "are all gone out of the way" and the "none that doeth good, no not one" of Rom 3:11& 12 busted your busted.

[Rom 3:11-12 KJV]
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
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27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
 
HeIsHere said:
And yet listen to Paul lay waste to the claims of total depravity"

[Act 17:22-24, 26-27 NASB] 22 So Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects. 23 “For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, ‘TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.’ Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you. 24 “The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; … 26 and He made from one [man] every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined [their] appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;

Total depravity…busted.
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Explain how.
 
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HeIsHere said:
27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
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Yeah, and that's what I was responding to - that according to Rom 3:11, the unsaved will/can never seek nor find him.

[Rom 3:11 KJV] 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
 
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Genez said:
The issue is not sin when it comes to the lake of fire.
For the Cross rendered the sin issue null and void.

The issue is Evil. Not sin.

David loved the Lord, but sinned terribly at times.
Many mistresses, committed adultery, and had Uriah murdered.
In contrast. King Saul was a very moral man, but committed evil.

Jesus died for our sins.
But, Jesus could not die for evil.
For, to do so?
He would have needed to reject the Father while bearing evil.

Eternal punishment is designated for people who will have the same mindset as Satan.
They reject God, and set themselves up as their own God.

Hard to imagine being that way.

But, that's why, they need to be quarantined away from all others for all eternity.
The torment will prevent them from externalizing evil thoughts as their means to try to contaminate the minds of those who accepted God as their Lord and Savior.

Their constant tormented state will not allow for them to have any evil thoughts except upon themselves.
God created all souls to live forever.
Evil souls will end up only existing forever.

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So, Evil will still prevail in the new Eternal Order?
 
rogerg said:
Yeah, and that's what I was responding to - that according to Rom 3:11, the unsaved will/can never seek nor find him.

[Rom 3:11 KJV] 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
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I wonder what part of "none" FWers don't understand?
 
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lrs68 said:
God manifests Himself to everyone (Romans 1)!

Are you telling me after God does that much to everyone that if one should now seek Him that God would reject them?
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Of course, He does through Natural Revelation, i.e. the external world He created.

Now answer my question.
 
Jordon said:
I thought you said sin wasn't evil 🤔
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You did not quote properly what I said....

Here!

Two people can be equally sinners.
One sinner will be evil towards God.
The other sinner will seek God, and not be evil.

God is not arbitrary.
 
Cameron143 said:
I never said He was. You are just another in a long line that make insinuation where none is warranted. And Jesus saves His people from their sins. This includes the performance of those sins.
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If you read what I said again?
You would see I was agreeing with you.
 
Rufus said:
So, Evil will still prevail in the new Eternal Order?
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I am not sure what you see as being the "eternal order."

You may be like some here who have a different concept.
So, unless you define what you mean by, "eternal order?"
I have no way to respond to you.

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Agape Love = Before speaking the first word into existence during the Plan of Creation and mankind, God already decided He would become flesh and die for what He was going to create.
 
Genez said:
You did not quote properly what I said....

Here!

Two people can be equally sinners.
One sinner will be evil towards God.
The other sinner will seek God, and not be evil.

God is not arbitrary.
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Yep your making sin out to not be evil again.

God
Corrects the sinners and there sins which are seen as wicked deeds.
 
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