Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Magenta said:
She seems to prefer her fantasy POOF version, and separates His love from His power.

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All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. Matthew 11 v 27
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I'm interested in her scriptural definition of agape love.
 
For the word of the LORD is upright, and all His work is trustworthy. The LORD loves righteousness and justice; the earth is
full of His loving devotion. By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and all the stars by the breath of His mouth.…

Your loving devotion, O LORD, reaches to the heavens, Your faithfulness to the clouds.
Your righteousness is like the highest mountains; Your judgments are like the deepest sea.
O LORD, You preserve man and beast. How precious is Your loving devotion, O God, that the
children of men take refuge in the shadow of Your wings!

Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; loving devotion and faithfulness go before You.

The earth is filled with Your loving devotion, O LORD; teach me Your statutes.

The LORD is good to all; His compassion rests on all He has made.

But let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the LORD, who exercises
loving devotion, justice and righteousness on the earth—for I delight in these things,” declares the LORD.

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Jeremiah 9 v 23-24, 1 Corinthians ch 1 v 31 This is what the LORD says: “Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, nor the strong man in his strength, nor the wealthy man in his riches. But let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the LORD, who exercises loving devotion, justice and righteousness on the earth - for I delight in these things,” declares the LORD. As it is written, “He who boasts, let him boast in the Lord.”
 
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BillyBob said:
His glory is displayed regardless the outcome!
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Yes we know, and that is why these ideas about God, foreign to scripture come forth from the "doctrines of grace" so called.

A 10 year old, being raped, tortured for hours and murdered, yes god ordained that. :rolleyes:

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Jackson129 said:
If has a meaning. So they do mean something or that's not how God would of inspired them to write it.
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On the other hand, there are no "ifs" in the unconditional, unilateral New Covenant stipulations. There's a reason Jeremiah said that the New Covenant is unlike the Old.
 
Cameron143 said:
You made a claim. Back it up with scripture. I didn't ask what it isn't. Please, tell us what agape love is from scripture. And tell us why the overwhelming display and manifestation of grace and mercy of God is not agape love.
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i gave the scripture in the original post about agape love.
 
lrs68 said:
Not even sure how fw could be Salvation because it only comes from God who willingly gives to anyone because even Romans 1 tells us He manifests Himself to everyone so they're without excuse to whom He is.
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No, God "willingly" gave it to Adam -- until Adam sinned and then he and all his stillborn progeny lost a rail to the two tracks of freedom. Adam and human race lost the power of freedom FROM!

Question: Will the saints in the new eternal order be free FROM the presence/power of sin forever and ever?
 
GWH said:
Scripture does not need to be inerrant, only sufficient regarding how to be saved.
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So...the Holy Spirit (in all his perfections) who inspired all scripture was free to be sloppy and careless with his words?
 
Rufus said:
So...the Holy Spirit (in all his perfections) who inspired all scripture was free to be sloppy and careless with his words?
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Inerrant isn't the same as perfect. I think Scripture is inerrant but people confuse that with perfect all the time.
 
Rufus said:
Of course it is! Inerrant = free from error. Perfect = free from imperfections.
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Lol Error and imperfection arent the same. So if someone is a perfect stranger to you they are also an error to you?

1+1=5 is a perfect equation but it's an erroneous one. Perfect means complete, error means incorrect.
 
Rufus said:
No, God "willingly" gave it to Adam -- until Adam sinned and then he and all his stillborn progeny lost a rail to the two tracks of freedom. Adam and human race lost the power of freedom FROM!

Question: Will the saints in the new eternal order be free FROM the presence/power of sin forever and ever?
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God manifests Himself to everyone (Romans 1)!

Are you telling me after God does that much to everyone that if one should now seek Him that God would reject them?
 
HeIsHere said:
And yet listen to Paul lay waste to the claims of total depravity"

[Act 17:22-24, 26-27 NASB] 22 So Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects. 23 “For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, ‘TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.’ Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you. 24 “The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; … 26 and He made from one [man] every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined [their] appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;

Total depravity…busted.
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Not really.
As Rom 3:11 informs us, that man left to himself in reality does not nor will he ever seek after God, therefore, of himself he can never find Him.
He is not far from each one of us only because God is everywhere all at once.
The "are all gone out of the way" and the "none that doeth good, no not one" of Rom 3:11& 12 busted your busted.

[Rom 3:11-12 KJV]
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 
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