Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[rogerg]

yep you've missed understood what I said, no matter

Those who are made alive in Christ go to different realm,.when passing away

Okay, yes, my fault. In rereading your post, I see that I misunderstood it, and glad that it was me, sorry.
Need to remember to finish my second cup of coffee before I start posting

 

[Jordon]

Okay, yes, my fault. In rereading your post, I see that I misunderstood it, and glad that it was me, sorry.
Need to remember to finish my second cup of coffee before I start posting

Basically I was trying to assure Mr genez who keeps painting the picture where going to hell if we don't believe like he does, that believers are Judged by his works not there own less anyone should boast.

 

[BillyBob]

BELIEVERS get saved. ALL believers are elected for service/reign/blessings/rewards/sanctification ect. Simple.

Not enough! James 2:19 Even the demons believe—and tremble!

 

[HeIsHere]

They are not joyful due to the sinner's action, but are speechless as to the Glory of God. A God who can take a worthless, lowdown, corrupted, worm of a creature and bring them to newness of life in Christ. To God be the Glory!

I guess the writers forgot to add this in, I just stay with what is written in the text.

 

[Genez]

It's. Funny thing.

You haven't commented on the sermons posted to you, preached by true believers who are also affiliated with calvins teachings.

Instead you chose to carry on in your dogma,

This only shows how incoherent you are.

Thank you....

 

[Genez]

It's. Funny thing.

You haven't commented on the sermons posted to you, preached by true believers who are also affiliated with calvins teachings.

Instead you chose to carry on in your dogma,

This only shows how incoherent you are.

Sir....

What can I tell you?

You're naive. Well intentions. But, naive.

Now can we move on from your suggested church (which you do not attend).

 

[HeIsHere]

Anybody can go online and check it out for themselves.

Pelagianism is a theological view that denies original sin, total depravity,
and predestination, and emphasizes human free will and good works.

No one here is denying original sin, nor that we did not inherit depravity from the fall of Adam.
And, no one is emphasizing that we naturally have free will.

It is God's grace that controls our depravity of the flesh, that makes a soul enabled to be freed to use his will.

The real problem with Pelagianism is that it asserts a person can achieve righteousness and even a sinless life through their own free will and effort, without the necessity of special divine grace.

Therefore it essentially nullifies the cross and resurrection.

Human Perfectibility: The core belief is that it is theoretically possible for humans to live a life of perfect righteousness by following God's commands and Christ's example through their own willpower.
**Gemini

 

[Genez]

They are not joyful due to the sinner's action, but are speechless as to the Glory of God. A God who can take a worthless, lowdown, corrupted, worm of a creature and bring them to newness of life in Christ. To God be the Glory!

That's a pep talk. Motivational speaking. "Rah! Rah! Rah!"

But how many can really teach the Word of God in depth?

Some call the actual reality of what you pointed to as epistemological rehabilitation.
But the teaching of the Word has to be painstakingly accurate and understood before true transformation
by the Spirit can take place. And, as Jesus said... "Few find it."

What can I tell you other than what I have discovered to be true?

Do you know what it is like to be taught accurate expository teaching from a pulpit six nights a week?
There is much buried and hidden when using translations and word-study books.

You have to want it more than anything else.
Many would rather seek like-minded believers to socialize with...

So be it.

 

[Genez]

The real problem with Pelagianism is that it asserts a person can achieve righteousness and even a sinless life through their own free will and effort, without the necessity of special divine grace.

Therefore it essentially nullifies the cross and resurrection.

Human Perfectibility: The core belief is that it is theoretically possible for humans to live a life of perfect righteousness by following God's commands and Christ's example through their own willpower.
**Gemini

But Magenta uses it because it is a quick fix when she needs an answer and has none.
Reminds me of the drunk that gets drunk to stop being conscious of being an alcoholic.
It is a vicious cycle...

 

[HeIsHere]

God created the world so that the knowledge of the glory of the Lord would fill the earth; notwithstanding your mancentric view. God always acts that He might be glorified. Surprised you didn't know this.

Since to glorify God is...... to make Him known for who He is, then the so called "doctrines of grace" has a huge problem since it does not portray God for who He really is, as shown in scripture.

I mean it is "doctrines of grace" (so called) adherents who affirm that a 10 year old girl who was raped, tortured for hours and then strangled received her righteous judgement from God she had earned.

Yes that makes God known for who He really is.

 

[Rufus]

Yes we know that verses must be pulled out of context to support the "system."

Ex 20:5-6
5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
ESV

Ps 32:10
10 Many are the woes of the wicked,
but the LORD's unfailing love
surrounds the man who trusts in him.
NIV

Ps 86:5
5 You are forgiving and good, O Lord,
abounding in love to all who call to you
NIV

Ps 103:11, 17-18
11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him...17 But from everlasting to everlasting
the LORD's love is with those who fear him,
and his righteousness with their children's children —
18 with those who keep his covenant
and remember to obey his precepts.
NIV

Ps 146:8
8 the LORD gives sight to the blind,
the LORD lifts up those who are bowed down,
the LORD loves the righteous.
NIV

John 10:17
17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life — only to take it up again.
NIV

John 14:21, 23
21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him....23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
NIV

John 15:10
10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.
NIV

John 16:27
27 No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.
NIV

Which of these passages that support the conditional love of God is taken out context?

But his position was not the same as the Jews you cited....

Go for it!
You might make us forget what was actually said.

Now, you're getting it. The Jews' moral/spiritual capability was but a ONE WAY street. They could not not sin. Save for God's chosen remnant in the natin, the rest of Israel had NO heart for God.

 

[HeIsHere]

But Magenta uses it because it is a quick fix when she needs an answer and has none.
Reminds me of the drunk that gets drunk to stop being conscious of being an alcoholic.
It is a vicious cycle...

Oh yes, I agree for certain, "quick fix" very accurate description.

 

[Genez]

Since to glorify God is...... to make Him known for who He is, then the so called "doctrines of grace" has a huge problem since it does not portray God for who He really is, as shown in scripture.

I mean it is in the "doctrines of grace" (so called) adnerents who affirm that a 10 year old girl who was raped, tortured for hours and then strangled received her righteous judgement from God she had earned.

Yes that makes God known for who He really is.

They do not know what they do. They only seek to say things that sound good without understanding what certain words actually mean.

They need a good teacher.
But, they will resist.

But, maybe not all.

 

[Jackson129]

But Magenta uses it because it is a quick fix when she needs an answer and has none.
Reminds me of the drunk that gets drunk to stop being conscious of being an alcoholic.
It is a vicious cycle...

People.on here who use those kind of insults do it for no other reason than they know it irritates the other person. Or they think it does. I've got into a few times on here im sure we all have. The last 2 that I remember I actually felt like dirty inside and repented. Thats not how Jesus wants us to act. So the people in here that do it 20 times a day 7 days a week. It makes me wonder who leads thier heart. The most common excuse I hear is we'll you say it to me. You know what that reminds me of... Billy stop poking your sister... but she did it first... no I didnt... yes you did. Its a bunch of grown ups acting like 3 year olds with disgust in thier hearts. Posting pictures of people then making fun of what they look like with your Co workers is disgusting. Flat out disgusting behavior.

 

[Genez]

Ex 20:5-6
5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
ESV

Ps 32:10
10 Many are the woes of the wicked,
but the LORD's unfailing love
surrounds the man who trusts in him.
NIV

Ps 86:5
5 You are forgiving and good, O Lord,
abounding in love to all who call to you
NIV

Ps 103:11, 17-18
11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him...17 But from everlasting to everlasting
the LORD's love is with those who fear him,
and his righteousness with their children's children —
18 with those who keep his covenant
and remember to obey his precepts.
NIV

Ps 146:8
8 the LORD gives sight to the blind,
the LORD lifts up those who are bowed down,
the LORD loves the righteous.
NIV

John 10:17
17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life — only to take it up again.
NIV

John 14:21, 23
21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him....23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
NIV

John 15:10
10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.
NIV

John 16:27
27 No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.
NIV

Which of these passages that support the conditional love of God is taken out context?




Now, you're getting it. The Jews' moral/spiritual capability was but a ONE WAY street. They could not not sin. Save for God's chosen remnant in the natin, the rest of Israel had NO heart for God.

You post fine sounding words using Scripture.
But you do not understand much of them yourself.

 

[HeIsHere]

I'll let you folks get back to your fun.

There is nothing in this endless debate that glorifies Christ as far as I can tell.

Yes, this another one of those situations.

 

[Rufus]

Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and You shall be saved....

Same for YOU and same for ME......Not just for YOU.

Same for ALL men, since all men are morally obligated to obey God. All mankind has a moral duty to its Creator.

 

[Rufus]

You post fine sounding words using Scripture.
But you do not understand much of them yourself.

I understand them very well. God's love is LIMITED to specific kinds of people, making his love conditional in nature.

 

[Magenta]

The real problem with Pelagianism is that it asserts a person can achieve righteousness and even a sinless life through their own free will and effort, without the necessity of special divine grace.

Therefore it essentially nullifies the cross and resurrection.

Human Perfectibility: The core belief is that it is theoretically possible for humans to live a life of perfect righteousness by following God's commands and Christ's example through their own willpower.
**Gemini

Pelagian heretics such as yourself believe you do not need God in order to come to belief. Free will is not a Biblical concept but you hold onto it like a dog with a bone and refuse to accept Biblical correction on your many many errors which you do not even acknowledge. I can list them for you again, which I will do after this from GQ.

Pelagianism is the unbiblical teaching that Adam’s sin did not affect future generations of humanity. According to Pelagianism, Adam’s sin was solely his own, and Adam’s descendants did not inherit a sinful nature passed down to them. God creates every human soul directly, and therefore every human soul starts out in innocence, free from sin. We are not basically bad, says the Pelagian heresy; we are basically good.

Pelagianism is named after Pelagius, a monk who lived in the late 300s and early 400s AD. Pelagius began teaching the doctrine associated with his name in an effort to promote holy living among Christians. When people sinned, Pelagius grew weary of hearing the excuse of “I can’t help it. It’s in my nature to do wrong.” To counter that excuse, Pelagius stressed the freedom of the human will, essentially teaching that all sin is the result of a conscious choice of evil over good; everyone has the ability to freely choose to do good all the time. And, since there is no such thing as original sin or an inherited sin nature, then we cannot blame Adam. God created us good, so no one ever has an excuse for sinning. If you’re not living a holy life, it’s because you’re not trying hard enough.

Pelagianism contradicts the Bible in many places. Romans 5 solidly refutes the notion that Adam’s sin had no effect on us:

• “Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned” (verse 12).
• “Many died by the trespass of the one man” (verse 15).
• “The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation” (verse 16).
• “By the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man” (verse 17).
• “One trespass resulted in condemnation for all people” (verse 18).
• “Through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners” (verse 19).

Further, the Bible tells us that we are sinful from the moment of conception Psalm 51:5. All human beings die as a result of sin Ezekiel 18:20; Romans 6:23.

While Pelagianism says that human beings are not born with a natural inclination toward sin, the Bible says the opposite Romans 3:10–18. Anyone who has raised children can attest to the fact that infants do not have to be taught how to sin; on the contrary, they must be carefully and consistently taught how to avoid sin and behave wisely, prudently, and righteously.

Pelagianism’s underlying fault is its reliance on human freedom and willpower instead of the grace of God. In saying that we all possess an inherent power to choose holiness for ourselves, Pelagius made the grace of God of no effect. The Bible says that, before the grace of God saves us, we are “dead” in our sins Ephesians 2:1; Pelagianism says it’s not so bad as all that. We can choose to obey God’s commands, and, if we only knew our true nature, we could please God and save ourselves.

You say the same things because you are a Pelagian heretic along with others here who cling like mad men to the unBiblical philosophically based self-exalting concept of free will. You seek to deceive everybody by claiming you stick with what the Bible says.

 

[Genez]

People.on here who use those kind of insults do it for no other reason than they know it irritates the other person. Or they think it does. I've got into a few times on here im sure we all have. The last 2 that I remember I actually felt like dirty inside and repented. Thats not how Jesus wants us to act. So the people in here that do it 20 times a day 7 days a week. It makes me wonder who leads their heart. The most common excuse I hear is we'll you say it to me. You know what that reminds me of... Billy stop poking your sister... but she did it first... no I didnt... yes you did. Its a bunch of grown ups acting like 3 year olds with disgust in their hearts. Posting pictures of people then making fun of what they look like with your Co workers is disgusting. Flat out disgusting behavior.

But what they do wrong is effective in preventing anything actually being taught that would be effective in transforming lives.

Carnally minded believers are here to prevent what principalities and powers fear most.
A Word of God revival.
It is like spiritual guerilla warfare in that sense.

Carnally minded believers see clarifying teaching they have wrong as a threat to what they keep clinging to keep alive.
They do not know any better.