The Didache: Doctrines That Build on the Creed

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Why not just say none?

If we both agreed with HIS word I would not have called you a liar after questioning you on the same subjects many times.

No reason for me to point out your errors, best of luck.
 
Why not just say none?
If we both agreed with HIS word I would not have called you a liar after questioning you on the same subjects many times.
No reason for me to point out your errors, best of luck.

Ditto, except that I do not call your errors/different opinions lies. Happy trails!
Groovy :cool:
 
Ditto, except that I do not call your errors/different opinions lies. Happy trails!
Groovy :cool:

Diddo lol.

I am very careful with my words, I know we are responsible for every one of them.

No way would I call an honest up standing person a liar without being sure that they lied.

It comes with no other options, I don't care if you lie about the color of your car, I would never know but when you lie about GOD'S word that's a big problem.

You will not like the outcome unless you repent.

Of course you still have to deal with blaspheming the Holy Ghost.

Sad part is you don't even care which really confuses me, or you've been lying for so long you think it's the truth?
 
Diddo lol.

I am very careful with my words, I know we are responsible for every one of them.
No way would I call an honest up standing person a liar without being sure that they lied.
It comes with no other options, I don't care if you lie about the color of your car, I would never know but when you lie about GOD'S word that's a big problem.
You will not like the outcome unless you repent.
Of course you still have to deal with blaspheming the Holy Ghost.
Sad part is you don't even care which really confuses me, or you've been lying for so long you think it's the truth?

Belief you are Pope is :poop:
 
Belief you are Pope is :poop:

Nope just a voice in the wilderness, you just don't like being called out for your errors and don't know what else to say.

It's called pride and that same pride got Satan kicked out of heaven, his best tool.

Why did JESUS wash others feet, to show how to be humble.

Satan don't like humble.
 
Before continuing the mining of Paul's epistles for the purpose of finding didachaic teachings, perhaps we should be reminded what we are looking for by reviewing the OP regarding how they differ from kerygmatic teachings. The following elaboration of the succinct way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT, “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in Acts 16:31, 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6), summarizes beliefs it implies as a foundational/kerygmatic Christian creed:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or Creator God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
  4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), at which moment God’s loving Holy Spirit of Christ indwells/baptizes the believer into the church (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
  5. Loving Christ Jesus as Lord (Luke 2:11), God the Son (Matt. 16:16) or God in the human dimension (Col. 2:9) means reflecting divine love as empowered by the Holy Spirit, thereby obeying His command to love one another (Matt. 7:21, 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2), which will eventually achieve spiritual maturity on earth and heaven after Christ returns at God’s resurrection (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Phil. 3:12-16, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).
NT teachings that build on this kerygmatic foundation may be viewed as part of the didachaic teachings (cf. 1 Cor. 3:1-13, Heb. 6:1-3). The didache may be very important and requisite for becoming spiritually mature, but it is not most important or necessary to believe
in order to be saved.

The distinction between kerygma and didache was made in the Great Commission (MT 28:19-20), which speaks of making disciples and of teaching them information a disciple needs to learn after conversion in order to grow in Christ-likeness. It is the “all truth” that is taught by the Spirit referred to in John 16:13. The distinction between kerygma and didache can be seen also Paul's epistles, such as 2 Timothy 3:15-17, in which the Scriptures that "are able to make you wise for salvation" refers to the kerygma and the Scriptures that are useful for “training in righteousness" and equipping "for every good work” refers to the didache.

We have seen that the didache consists mainly of teachings about morality, but it also includes information about various subjects such as spiritual gifts (1Cor. 12-14) and the resurrection (1Cor. 15). We should note that some biblical statements are neither kerygmatic nor didachaic but merely administrative or relevant only for the situation being mentioned, such as the closing parts of Paul's epistles (e.g., Col. 4:7-18).

I guess I will have to reply to #95 myself, said the little red hen.

Continuing our study of Paul's epistles for the purpose of learning what he taught that built on the Gospel,
we arrive at 1Thessalonians, which begins with Paul mentioning his continual prayers of thanksgiving (1Thes. 1:2-3)
and ends with Paul urging the brethren to pray continually, giving thanks in every circumstance (1Thes. 5:17-18).
Thus, it is appropriate at this point to conduct a study of doctrines pertaining to prayer.

Teachings we can glean from the prayers of Paul in Colossians include the following:

1. We should direct prayers to God the Father, and prayers begin well by expressing gratitude (Col. 1:3).
2. We pray because of faith in Jesus as Messiah/the incarnate Lord (Col. 1:4).
3. Prayers should be “continual” or frequent and repeated intercession for others (Col. 1:9a).
4. Prayers should ask God for knowledge of His will or spiritual wisdom (Col. 1:9b).
5. A main purpose of prayer should be moral improvement (Col. 1:10). Moral perfection should be the life-long goal of every believer. The fruit of the HS includes all good works.
 
I guess I will have to reply to #95 myself, said the little red hen.

Continuing our study of Paul's epistles for the purpose of learning what he taught that built on the Gospel,
we arrive at 1Thessalonians, which begins with Paul mentioning his continual prayers of thanksgiving (1Thes. 1:2-3)
and ends with Paul urging the brethren to pray continually, giving thanks in every circumstance (1Thes. 5:17-18).
Thus, it is appropriate at this point to conduct a study of doctrines pertaining to prayer.

Teachings we can glean from the prayers of Paul in Colossians include the following:

1. We should direct prayers to God the Father, and prayers begin well by expressing gratitude (Col. 1:3).
2. We pray because of faith in Jesus as Messiah/the incarnate Lord (Col. 1:4).
3. Prayers should be “continual” or frequent and repeated intercession for others (Col. 1:9a).
4. Prayers should ask God for knowledge of His will or spiritual wisdom (Col. 1:9b).
5. A main purpose of prayer should be moral improvement (Col. 1:10). Moral perfection should be the life-long goal of every believer. The fruit of the HS includes all good works.

LOL, If you ask yourself a question and don't reply, that would be rude.
 
Teachings that are secondary or subsequent to learning the Gospel/Creed or kerygma (GRFS) may be indicated by another Greek word, didache, which means teaching. The didache may be very important and requisite for becoming spiritually mature, but it is not most important or necessary to know/believe in order to be saved. The distinction between kerygma/saving faith and didache/working faith was made by Jesus when He commissioned His original twelve disciples minus Judas (Matt. 28:19-20). This “Great Commission” speaks of both types of information.

The kerygma is indicated by verse 19, in which Jesus says, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations”, and the didache is implicit in verse 20, in which Jesus continues by saying “teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” This speaks of information a disciple needs to know and believe after conversion in order to grow in Christlikeness regarding how to live the law of love. It is the “all truth” that is taught by the Spirit referred to in John 16:13. Again, it is very important following salvation for attaining complete sanctification.

The distinction between kerygma and didache can be seen also in 2 Timothy 3:15-17. The scriptures “which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus” refers to the Gospel or kerygma. The scriptural teaching that is useful for “training in righteousness, so that the man [or woman per Gal. 3:28] of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” refers to the didache. The apostle Paul also employs the difference between kerygma and didache in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. The “foundation… which is Jesus Christ” is the kerygmatic teaching regarding salvation. Paul alludes to the didache when he says that one should be careful how he/she builds upon this foundation. The purpose of this thread is to do just that.

Any suggestions regarding how to begin?

My understanding is that the word 'kergyma' refers to proclamation of the message, but over time it came to refer to a set of essential doctrines... what Christians proclaimed... that people need to hear to come to faith, and that didache means teaching.

I'm not seeing where this distinction you are making is driven by the texts you are referring to. It seems like you are trying to impose a theory on these particular texts. I do not disagree that some doctrines are more 'core' for salvation, and others are especially suitable for believers as they mature.
 
My understanding is that the word 'kergyma' refers to proclamation of the message, but over time it came to refer to a set of essential doctrines... what Christians proclaimed... that people need to hear to come to faith, and that didache means teaching.

I'm not seeing where this distinction you are making is driven by the texts you are referring to. It seems like you are trying to impose a theory on these particular texts. I do not disagree that some doctrines are more 'core' for salvation, and others are especially suitable for believers as they mature.

Yes, my definition of kerygma is the essential doctrine regarding God's requirement for salvation (GRFS),
and my definition of didache is teaching that builds on the kerygma, as referred to in the following:

The distinction between kerygma/saving faith and didache/working faith was made by Jesus when He commissioned His original twelve disciples minus Judas (MT 28:19-20). This “Great Commission” speaks of both types of information. The kerygma is indicated by verse 19, in which Jesus says, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations”.

A Christian disciple is a learner or one who believes the good news about God’s offer of eternal life to all who accept Jesus as Christ, the Lord incarnate. The didache is implicit in verse 20, in which Jesus continues by saying “teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” This speaks of the information a disciple needs to know and believe after conversion in order to grow in Christ-likeness regarding how to live the law of love. It is the “all truth” that is taught by the Spirit referred to in John 16:13. Again, it is very important but not necessary for salvation. Witness the thief on the cross in Luke 23:39-43, who had no opportunity to learn the didache after his conversion; although, like Paul (according to Acts 22:3) and most adults, some didachaic truth is learned prior to knowing the kerygma.

The distinction between kerygma and didache can be seen also in 2 Timothy 3:15-17. The scriptures “which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus” refers to the Gospel or kerygma. The scriptural teaching that is useful for “training in righteousness, so that the man [or woman per Gal. 3:28] of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” refers to the didache.

The apostle Paul also employs the difference between kerygma and didache in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. The “foundation… which is Jesus Christ” is the kerygmatic teaching regarding salvation. Paul alludes to the didache when he says that one should be careful how he/she builds upon this foundation.

The distinction between kerygma and didache involves a difference in content and purpose. The kerygma proclaims GRFS, which calls for repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord, which is an all or nothing decision that occurs at one moment in time. The didache teaches God’s will regarding how saints or those who have been saved should live in order to be a good witness for Christ, which involves learning more of God’s Word throughout one’s lifetime. A passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].”
 
How can NT didachaic teachings that build on the kerygma not be part of Scripture?!
Please quote one as an example.
When they CLEARLY contradict them or alter them ad per the example I cited. Compare the REAL, actual word of God to the did ache, and yes, it aches.
 
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When they CLEARLY contradict them or alter them ad per the example I cited. Compare the REAL, actual word of God to the did ache, and yes, it aches.

The astute among us will note that you did NOT quote even one NT didachaic teaching that is not part of the Scripture.
(Why am I feeling trolled?)
 
The astute among us will note that you did NOT quote even one NT didachaic teaching that is not part of the Scripture.
(Why am I feeling trolled?)
The doctrine of baptism stated, and restated, and again restated. Read and compare what the actual word of God says compared to what the achey breaky says. You THINK you're getting trolled because you don't understand. Goodbye
 
The doctrine of baptism stated, and restated, and again restated. Read and compare what the actual word of God says compared to what the achey breaky says. You THINK you're getting trolled because you don't understand. Goodbye

No, it is because you do not quote a NT didachaic teaching that is not part of the NT Scripture--
and YOU do not understand doing such is logically/grammatically impossible! :eek:
 
The creed of life to me is Only Jesus Saves.

Yes, OJS is the Christian creed in a nutshell, and the purpose of this thread is to share Christian/NT didache that builds on OJS.
So far we have mined didachaic doctrines in Jesus' Sermon on the Mount and Paul's prison epistles.
Because prayer is a didachaic topic in Colossians and 1Thessalonians, perhaps it is appropriate to consider it next.
What is y'all's understanding of the NT teachings regarding prayer?
 
Actually, before discussing prayer, it might be good to remember that NT morality manifests God's loving Holy Spirit indwelling those who cooperate with His desire for fellowship, so their righteousness reflects divine love rather than obeys divine commands.

Thus, building on the gospel of Christ is NOT constructing a new collection of laws reprising the OT (Rom. 3:20) but merely noting what spiritual fruit of love tastes like (Gal. 5:22-23). This is indicated by Jesus in his sermon on the mount when he essentially equates anger with murder and urges reconciliation/love (Matt. 5:21-24).
 
No, it is because you do not quote a NT didachaic teaching that is not part of the NT Scripture--
and YOU do not understand doing such is logically/grammatically impossible! :eek:
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Actually, before discussing prayer, it might be good to remember that NT morality manifests God's loving Holy Spirit indwelling those who cooperate with His desire for fellowship, so their righteousness reflects divine love rather than obeys divine commands.

Thus, building on the gospel of Christ is NOT constructing a new collection of laws reprising the OT (Rom. 3:20) but merely noting what spiritual fruit of love tastes like (Gal. 5:22-23). This is indicated by Jesus in his sermon on the mount when he essentially equates anger with murder and urges reconciliation/love (Matt. 5:21-24).

Catholic "priest" squirting an infant with a squirt gun as a "baptism". Hahaha
 
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Catholic "priest" squirting an infant with a squirt gun as a "baptism". Hahaha

Thank you for sharing that picture.

I would love to know how some peope take this example,

Matthew 3,
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

At turn it to that, I can only imagine how displeased GOD is.

And then they have MILLIONS of people who blindly follow.