Speaking in tongues

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Charlesiii said:
The fact that anyone could just babble any old gibberish in their services, and these people would believe it is speaking in tongues - possibly with someone else even "interpreting" the gobbledygook by announcing a false prophecy (it certainly wouldn't be the first), should in itself should tell you they have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to tongues, interpretation of the tongues, or discerning spirits. If these people really were speaking in (real) tongues, they would easily be able to identify a faker. That they can't proves they are all deceivers and deceived.
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The issue many have who only focus on the error of those who abuse the gifts of the Holy Spirit close their mind to the legitimate.

The Gift of Pastor. There is no other gift today that has done more damage to the church then this one.

Yet it is very much for the church today. And needed.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit as other gifts can be misused. WE see this in the Old Testament with Kings, Prophets, Judges who were called to the office as a Gift to the assemblies i.e. Tribes.
Where they also misused? the same is today.

The difference is the confirmation that is not talked about when the operation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is in uses or what is to be expected and judged. how does one judge the gifts manifestation? does anyone know?
 
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CS1 said:
The issue many have who only focus on the error of those who abuse the gifts of the Holy Spirit close their mind to the legitimate.

The Gift of Pastor. There is no other gift today that has done more damage to the church then this one.

Yet it is very much for the church today. And needed.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit as other gifts can be misused. WE see this in the Old Testament with Kings, Prophets, Judges who were called to the office as a Gift to the assemblies i.e. Tribes.
Where they also misused? the same is today.

The difference is the confirmation that is not talked about when the operation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is in uses or what is to be expected and judged. how does one judge the gifts manifestation? does anyone know?
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To me it is simple to test. Take two who have the gift of interpretation, and have these two give separate interpretations of the tongue in the absence of each other. If the interpretations align, the tongue and the interpreters are legitimate. If the interpretations do not align, the interpreters are illegitimate. If the interpreters identify that the tongue is gibberish, the tongue is illegitimate. Why do Christians insist on making simple things difficult?
 
Charlesiii said:
To me it is simple to test. Take two who have the gift of interpretation, and have these two give separate interpretations of the tongue in the absence of each other. If the interpretations align, the tongue and the interpreters are legitimate. If the interpretations do not align, the interpreters are illegitimate. If the interpreters identify that the tongue is gibberish, the tongue is illegitimate. Why do Christians insist on making simple things difficult?
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That is an interesting method but the word of God tell us in 1cor chapter 14 what to do.

One speaks the other judge. How do they Judge? by the word of GOD. The interpretation of a tongues is not the translation it is one speaking under the inspiration what has been said this is why the end action must produce Edification, comfort, building up exhortation and line up with the word of GOD. Don't we find it interesting That in the opening of the Unit chapters on the gifts of the Holy Spirit Paul is led to say:

3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

many miss this very important point why is so important? Because Jesus said in John chapter 14:25-26

25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

The Job of the Holy Spirit is to speak of Jesus. No Mercede, houses, prosperity and money BUT of love Power and of our Lord death Burial and Resurrection. Once the Gift has been used people get saved, healed and edified, comforted, and all Glory is to GOD who did it NOT TO TE GIFTS or the one used in it .


The empowerment of the Holy Spirit was given so we could be a witness of the Lord Jesus Christ as Jesus said in Acts 1:8.

its that simple.
 
Wansvic said:
The people praying for Blain were asking God to give him the Holy Ghost, they were not praying for him to be able to speak in tongues. (Luke 11:13, 8:15) Scripture reveals speaking in tongues automatically occurs when believers' bodies are filled with the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:4, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)
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A believer when saved if blessed with the fruits of the spirit,

It's similar to having the spirit, but there's a difference, the fruits of the spirit enable the soul to be born of spirit. The holy spirit of God is God.

Any church would know that.
 
Jordon said:
A believer when saved if blessed with the fruits of the spirit,

It's similar to having the spirit, but there's a difference, the fruits of the spirit enable the soul to be born of spirit. The holy spirit of God is God.

Any church would know that.
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hmmm is not the fruit of the Spirit what proves one is saved not what saves the person we shall know them by their fruits:

These things are to be seen they are not optional as to which one you can have no kore than the "B" Attitudes seen in Matthew chapter 5
  1. Love
  2. Joy
  3. Peace
  4. Patience
  5. Kindness
  6. Goodness
  7. Faithfulness
  8. Gentleness
  9. Self-control
 
CS1 said:
hmmm is not the fruit of the Spirit what proves one is saved not what saves the person we shall know them by their fruits:

These things are to be seen they are not optional as to which one you can have no kore than the "B" Attitudes seen in Matthew chapter 5
  1. Love
  2. Joy
  3. Peace
  4. Patience
  5. Kindness
  6. Goodness
  7. Faithfulness
  8. Gentleness
  9. Self-control
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That not what I implied.

I said it's the fruits of the spirit that make a soul be born of spirit.

As for proofing your saved, I don't find that discussion worth talking about.

Unless I know 🙂
 
Jordon said:
That not what I implied.

I said it's the fruits of the spirit that make a soul be born of spirit.

As for proofing your saved, I don't find that discussion worth talking about.

Unless I know 🙂
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well, you sure show you lack Patience. And the fruits of the Spirit do not make the soul born of the Spirit. I would like you to show me that in the word of GOD :)
 
Jordon said:
A believer when saved if blessed with the fruits of the spirit,

It's similar to having the spirit, but there's a difference, the fruits of the spirit enable the soul to be born of spirit.
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You have that backwards. The indwelling Spirit of God bears the fruit of the Spirit in and through the believer. If you have not already been born of the Spirit, you cannot bear the fruit of the Spirit.
 
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Dino246 said:
You have that backwards. The indwelling Spirit of God bears the fruit of the Spirit in and through the believer. If you have not already been born of the Spirit, you cannot bear the fruit of the Spirit.
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The seed is what bares fruit and the seed has the fruits.

You can believe what you want sir.
 
Jordon said:
The seed is what bares fruit and the seed has the fruits.

You can believe what you want sir.
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I believe what Scripture teaches. In contrast, you are rejecting what Scripture teaches and substituting your own thoughts.

Seed does not "bare" fruit. "Bare" means naked, unadorned, as in Adam and Eve before they ate the forbidden fruit.

Seed does not bear fruit either. The branches of mature plants bear fruit... but only if those branches are connected to the plant and the root. In terms of the fruit of the Spirit, it is only evident in a person if that person is connected to the Vine, Jesus Christ.
 
Dino246 said:
I believe what Scripture teaches. In contrast, you are rejecting what Scripture teaches and substituting your own thoughts.

Seed does not "bare" fruit. "Bare" means naked, unadorned, as in Adam and Eve before they ate the forbidden fruit.

Seed does not bear fruit either. The branches of mature plants bear fruit... but only if those branches are connected to the plant and the root. In terms of the fruit of the Spirit, it is only evident in a person if that person is connected to the Vine, Jesus Christ.
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the seed is the word of God.

Once planted it bares much fruit and the seed that falls on good ground bare fruit to.

But anyway I'm not going to change what I believe because you say I'm rejecting scripture.

I haven't rejected anything I don't know I'm rejecting. As if I did then I would reject it.

I'll take my beliefs to the lord thanks 🙂
 
I think someone just too their basketball home because they think they have the only one. And nobody else can play. :P
 
Jordon said:
the seed is the word of God.

Once planted it bares much fruit and the seed that falls on good ground bare fruit to.
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The word is "bear". Get that wrong, and you're talking gibberish.

"Bare" is used in the KJV as the past tense of "bear" as in "give birth to" or "take up" (as a load), but it is not used that way today; we would say, "bore".

As for seed bearing a crop, even the KJV confirms my assertion:

Matthew 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Note that the seed doesn't bear fruit; the person who received the seed does.

Jordon said:
But anyway I'm not going to change what I believe because you say I'm rejecting scripture.
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Nor would I expect you to do so. Instead, I hope you read and consider what Scripture says and allow it to correct you.

Jordon said:
I'll take my beliefs to the lord thanks 🙂
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Good. Take them to Jesus and ask Him to show you where you are wrong.
 
Dino246 said:
The word is "bear". Get that wrong, and you're talking gibberish.

"Bare" is used in the KJV as the past tense of "bear" as in "give birth to" or "take up" (as a load), but it is not used that way today; we would say, "bore".

As for seed bearing a crop, even the KJV confirms my assertion:

Matthew 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Note that the seed doesn't bear fruit; the person who received the seed does.


Nor would I expect you to do so. Instead, I hope you read and consider what Scripture says and allow it to correct you.


Good. Take them to Jesus and ask Him to show you where you are wrong.
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being born of the seed, is an indwelling of the holy spirit 🙂

Once planted its like the kingdom of heaven
 
Blain said:
True but he is also to be our example and so if he never spoke in tongues when receiving the holy spirit then is it really the sign that one has received it?
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Again, the bible reveals communication via tongues was began in the NT.

Did you consider the points made in my previous post? (included below)

Something else that reveals the truth is Peter's comments about how he knew that Cornelius and others had received the Holy Ghost. He said the Holy Ghost fell on them as on him and others at the beginning.

"And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning." (a reference to Acts 2:4, And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. )



"Scripture is what actually reveals if one's understanding about any topic is accurate. The truth is always confirmed by 2-3 witnesses/scriptures. (2 Cor. 13:1, Matt. 18:16, Deut. 19:15)

Consider the answers to the following questions, they reveal what is and is not true:

1. Did the people in the detailed accounts speak in tongues when they received the Holy Spirit? (Acts 2:4-41, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)

2. In the accounts, what percentage of the people spoke in tongues when they received the Holy Spirit? (Acts 2:4-33,10:43-48, 19:1-7)

3. Is there anything other than speaking in tongues recorded hat indicated people received the initial infilling of the Holy Spirit?

4. Are there 2-3 scriptures that reveal the Holy Spirit is not received the instant a person believes the gospel? (Luke 11:13, Acts 8:12-18, 10:43-48 (Acts 11:15), 19:1-7)

5. Was there an OT prophesy about the experience at Pentecost? (Joel 2:28) If so, what was the prophecy? And what did Peter reveal about the connection between the Spirit and speaking in tongues? (Acts 2:2-4, 13-18, 29-33)

6. Can believers witness with power without being filled with the Spirit of God? (Acts 1:8, Matt. 28:18-20, Mark 16:15-20),

7. Is it necessary for believers to be filled with the Spirit of God in order to receive revelation knowledge? (John 16:13. 1 Cor. 2:14)

8. Can believers pray the perfect will of God without first being filled with the Spirit of God? (Rom 8:26-27, Eph. 6:18)

9. Can believers develop Christian character without first being filled with the Spirit of God? (Gal 5:22-23, Jude 20-24)

10. Do believers have to be filled with the Holy Spirit in order to belong to God? (Rom 8:9-11. John 3:5)"
 
Jordon said:
being born of the seed, is an indwelling of the holy spirit 🙂

Once planted its like the kingdom of heaven
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Planting the seed is not enough. If it were, three of the four soils would bear fruit.

We aren’t “born of the seed”; we are born of the Spirit.
 
CS1 said:
well, you sure show you lack Patience. And the fruits of the Spirit do not make the soul born of the Spirit. I would like you to show me that in the word of GOD :)
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Oh ok if you say so 🙂

Well the fruits of the spirit is love
And God so loved you he gave his one and only son to love you enough to plant a seed with love.

Then the seed grew in love and the soul was born of love. Yep that fruit being the fruit that loved to make the soul be born of fruit.

Call me fruity toooty 🙂
 
Jordon said:
A believer when saved if blessed with the fruits of the spirit,

It's similar to having the spirit, but there's a difference, the fruits of the spirit enable the soul to be born of spirit. The holy spirit of God is God.

Any church would know that.
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Tongues is the initial evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:4, 33; 10:43-48, 11:15, 19:1-7) Whereas, the fruit of the Spirit witnesses to the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of the born again believer.
 
Dino246 said:
Planting the seed is not enough. If it were, three of the four soils would bear fruit.

We aren’t “born of the seed”; we are born of the Spirit.
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im a gardener I know different 🙂

The seed is enough it just depends where it's planted.

Without the seed you have nothing
 
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