The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[TMS]

You may want to try rereading what I posted…. I said “Christians who continue to murder”… David repented and stopped murdering. Unless you believe God’s forgiveness is worthless and those who repent and are forgiven by God will still be called murderers, liars and thieves while they are in heaven.

So instead of being “slippery” like many of your Sabbath teaching associates, can you give me a simple yes or no answer..., will the billions of professing Christians that have ever lived, who chose to not obey the 4th commandment by resting from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset and continue to do so till their last breath, get punished by God like murderers, liars and thieves and get thrown into the Lake of Fire as a consequence?

How many times do I need to say it....

You and me have no right to judge who will or will not be saved. I can not sit on the judgment throne and made that choice. Yes or no is for God to decide not me.

No I can't give you an answer..

But I can state clearly that it is a sin to disregard the bible sabbath and transgress the forth commandment.

Sin is the transgression of the law

And Sin = death.

Sin is the opposite of righteousness and seperates us from God..

 

[TMS]

imputed righteousness (the credited righteousness of Christ to believers) and imparted righteousness (the transforming work of God within believers).

It was not because I didn't understand, it was because people were so focused on the imputed justification side, that it seemed that they forgot about the imparted sanctification.

Jesus desires to impart His perfect character in all of us and the only thing stopping Him from doing it is us.

It was not Jesus's fault when Peter sank in the water, Jesus said to come and Peter was able to walk on the water while his eyes were on Jesus... but when his faith failed he sank.

We can walk on the water (overcome sin) by faith when Jesus is living in us but when we doubt we sink. Jesus wants us to succeed and the only reason we don't is because we focus on ourself.

Imparted righteousness is the gift of Christ's righteous works in us.

 

[TMS]

No He doesn't. There is not one example of this in scripture. What He actually does desire, is our trust and faith in His Son and the fact that He alone atones for our sins.

I said that Jesus desires us to be perfect...

You disagreed... strongly

How did God first create us? Perfect.
Does God desire us to be sinners? No
Does Jesus want us to be restored to the place He created us? Does He want to Restore the image of God in us?

I agree that God desires us to trust in Jesus and have faith in His atonement. What about faith in Jesus to empower us to overcome sin.. Imparted righteousness.

I'm not talking about perfect in that we have never sinned and that we will never fail. I'm talking about walking in the Spirit.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Rom 8:1...
No condemnation because the Spirit is perfect and you have chosen to follow the Holy Spirit rather then the fallen flesh.

If we fall and sin we have an advocate and saviour. And we all have sinned so we all need the blood of Jesus.

Does God want us to walk around as defeated sinners or as overcomers?

Does Jesus give us power to overcome sin?
It is God's desire that we walk as Jesus walked. Jesus obeyed the Holy Spirit and did not sin.

We too can walk like Jesus and obey the Holy Spirit, we too can live without sinning if we are fully surrendered to the Spirit.

I do fail so i never claim to be perfect. But i aim to be like Jesus, and fully crucify my flesh. If I aim to half overcome my faults that's as high as I will reach.

God wants us to aim for perfection and He provides all we need to reach it, (Imparted righteousness). God gave us Jesus as an example to follow and Jesus fully overcame sin, Jesus was perfectly obedient.

You said it is not God's desire for us to be perfect.
Don't get confused.... I never said we must be perfect to be saved.. I'm encouraging people to have faith in the bible promises that say we can overcome sin.
By faith in Jesus we can do all things... every sin can be overcome through Christ. It is God's desire that we be more than conquerors.

Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not;...
2Co 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
2Ti 3:16-17 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, ...... for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Pe 4:1-2 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1Jn 3:2-3 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

It is God's desire that we are free from sin and righteous and perfect today. By faith in Jesus salvation is complete and it is more then just taking away our past sins. It is also empowering us to overcome today. It isn't just about Justification.

 

[GWH]

I said that Jesus desires us to be perfect...

You disagreed... strongly

How did God first create us? Perfect.
Does God desire us to be sinners? No
Does Jesus want us to be restored to the place He created us? Does He want to Restore the image of God in us?

I agree that God desires us to trust in Jesus and have faith in His atonement. What about faith in Jesus to empower us to overcome sin.. Imparted righteousness.

I'm not talking about perfect in that we have never sinned and that we will never fail. I'm talking about walking in the Spirit.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Rom 8:1...
No condemnation because the Spirit is perfect and you have chosen to follow the Holy Spirit rather then the fallen flesh.

If we fall and sin we have an advocate and saviour. And we all have sinned so we all need the blood of Jesus.

Does God want us to walk around as defeated sinners or as overcomers?

Does Jesus give us power to overcome sin?
It is God's desire that we walk as Jesus walked. Jesus obeyed the Holy Spirit and did not sin.

We too can walk like Jesus and obey the Holy Spirit, we too can live without sinning if we are fully surrendered to the Spirit.

I do fail so i never claim to be perfect. But i aim to be like Jesus, and fully crucify my flesh. If I aim to half overcome my faults that's as high as I will reach.

God wants us to aim for perfection and He provides all we need to reach it, (Imparted righteousness). God gave us Jesus as an example to follow and Jesus fully overcame sin, Jesus was perfectly obedient.

You said it is not God's desire for us to be perfect.
Don't get confused.... I never said we must be perfect to be saved.. I'm encouraging people to have faith in the bible promises that say we can overcome sin.
By faith in Jesus we can do all things... every sin can be overcome through Christ. It is God's desire that we be more than conquerors.

Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not;...
2Co 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
2Ti 3:16-17 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, ...... for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Pe 4:1-2 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1Jn 3:2-3 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

It is God's desire that we are free from sin and righteous and perfect today. By faith in Jesus salvation is complete and it is more then just taking away our past sins. It is also empowering us to overcome today. It isn't just about Justification.

I agree but would note that Genesis 1:31 says creation was "very good", not perfect.
Yes, God desires everyone to be both saved and sanctified, although saints will not attain moral perfection until heaven.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

define the new covenant then.

The gospel .

 

[vassal]

The gospel .

Want gospel are you referring to, some follow Christ some Paul, Many say it is the same gospel many say they are different gospels

 

[vassal]

The original covenant was the one with God and Adam. Eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil will result in death, physical and spiritual. The result of breaking that covenant was that their posterity are all born with that knowledge and we all fail. It got to a point that men were so evil that the laws of right and wrong had to be written for all to see. That is when we got the Letter of the Law which was the new covenant then, but old now. This covenant was with God and the Jews. They all fail. The New Covenant now is the Spirit of the Law. It was given to both Jews and Gentiles. This new covenant was given by Jesus when he was asked which is the greatest commandment. He said that the first commandment was to love God (the Father) first with all your mind, heart, and soul. The second is just like it; love everyone else as you love yourself. Upon these two commandments the Letter of the Law is based. Again, everyone fails. In order to save some humans two things have to happen: their sins would have to be erased and then they would have to be perfected by filling them with Love for God first and for everyone else as they love themselves. We get baptized in the name of the Father when He chooses us by granting repentance of sins committed to such a degree that we turn to Him for forgiveness. He in turn provides knowledge through the Bible and the preaching of saved Christians concerning the remission of sins through belief in Jesus Christ. We are baptized in the name of the Son when we believe that it was through his death that our sins are remitted. He (not us) in turn baptizes us in the name of the Holy Spirit when we get indwelled with the Holy Spirit which acts as a portal through which both Father and Son can enter our beings in order to change our motivation for living from love of self first to love of God first

There is a major problem in that explanation because it mixes ideas that Jesus never taught and it replaces God’s clear commandments with a vague idea of “love” that has no shape or direction. Jesus never set aside the Ten Commandments. He made them clearer, deeper, and stronger.
When Jesus was asked about the greatest commandment, He gave two commandments from the Law of Moses. The first is in Deuteronomy 6:5. The second is in Leviticus 19:18. Jesus said these two are the foundation on which the Law stands, not a replacement for the Law. If you remove the Law, the two “love commandments” no longer have anything to stand on. Love becomes whatever each person imagines.

Jesus Himself showed this clearly. He said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). He did not say, “If you love Me, forget the commandments and just love.” He also said, “Whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19). These words make it plain that loving God and loving your neighbour cannot be separated from keeping the commandments.

The explanation you were given claims that following the two commandments of love is the same as following the Ten Commandments, but that is not true. The two teach the heart. The Ten teach the actions that flow from that heart. For example, “love your neighbour” cannot replace “do not steal,” “do not commit adultery,” “do not bear false witness,” or “do not murder.” Jesus never said they were the same. Instead, He taught that true love will lead you to obey these commandments. If a person says he loves God but refuses the commandments, Jesus says that person is not telling the truth.

The problem also grows bigger when someone says that the old covenant is gone because “all failed.” Jesus never spoke this way. He said the Law stands until heaven and earth pass away (Matthew 5:18). Heaven and earth are still here. The commandments stand. The new covenant does not erase the commandments; it writes them on the heart so that we can live them with sincerity.

The statement you were given also tries to describe baptism in a way that Jesus never taught. Jesus simply said, “Repent,” “Believe,” and “Follow Me.” He did not build a long process of three different baptisms. He told His disciples to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). That is one baptism, not three.
The simple truth is that the two love commandments are the foundation, but the Ten Commandments are the path. They are not the same. They work together. Jesus honoured both. He lived both. And He told us to do the same.

 

[pinebeach]

It was not because I didn't understand, it was because people were so focused on the imputed justification side, that it seemed that they forgot about the imparted sanctification.

Jesus desires to impart His perfect character in all of us and the only thing stopping Him from doing it is us.

It was not Jesus's fault when Peter sank in the water, Jesus said to come and Peter was able to walk on the water while his eyes were on Jesus... but when his faith failed he sank.

We can walk on the water (overcome sin) by faith when Jesus is living in us but when we doubt we sink. Jesus wants us to succeed and the only reason we don't is because we focus on ourself.

Imparted righteousness is the gift of Christ's righteous works in us.

Another attempt to make it sound like we all want to go out and sin like a boatload of pagan sailors. You are preaching; you are not showing from scripture why you think we have to obtain perfection and if we don't, then it is because we enjoy sin.

You ignore scripture that states we do not need to observe any special days and say we sin if we do not observe the Sabbath.

Glaring and in your face scriptural authority but it knocks a hole in your little contrived personal ordinances so no go. Who gave you the authority to over right scripture and then teach it and preach it to others. I think you might be needing to answer for that and I don't mean to me.

 

[pinebeach]

I said that Jesus desires us to be perfect...

You disagreed... strongly

I see you have given as much underestanding to what I post as you have to what scritpure says about your opinions. God, objects strongly to the way you change what scripture actually states.

I'm not talking about perfect in that we have never sinned and that we will never fail. I'm talking about walking in the Spirit.

Yes? Are you now? You have gone on and on about 'perfection' through obedience and now you are going to scoot over to 'walking in the spirit?' Hurry though cause your hem is catching fire.

The rest of your post is your desire to continue to preach at people who know what walking in the spirit is. No one needs your homegrown handy dandy notes.

 

[pinebeach]

Want gospel are you referring to, some follow Christ some Paul, Many say it is the same gospel many say they are different gospels

We would all like to know what YOU say. There are not all that many confused on the actual gospel as you try to portray. Believers in the true gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ do not choose a gospel. They know what the gospel is and when they say that word, gospel, they are not playing games like it seems you might be doing here.

So yeah. Which gospel do you follow?

 

[Inquisitor]

it would be easy to prove you wrong but you will not listen. if I have time I will, but in the meantime why don't you use your AI to prove you wrong it should not be difficult for AI to do so.

Was the covenant God established at Mt Sinai only between God and Israel? Gentiles could join that first covenant but the NT seems to indicate that. The Gentiles were foreigners to that covenant. Using the scripture only. Was the first covenant a covenant of legal works, a covenant of the flesh?

I asked AI the questions below.

(1) who the Sinai covenant was made with
(2) whether Gentiles were inside or outside of it, of the first covenant
(3) whether Scripture itself characterizes it as a covenant of “legal works” or “the flesh.”
(4) only use the scripture as the source

Here is the reply from AI to the three questions above.

1. Was the Sinai covenant only between God and Israel?
Yes. Scripture is explicit: the covenant at Sinai was made with Israel alone.
Key verses
Exodus 19:3–6
God speaks to “the house of Jacob…the sons of Israel” and offers them the covenant.
Exodus 24:3–8
Israel alone responds, “All that the LORD has spoken we will do,” and Moses sprinkles the blood of the covenant on the people of Israel.
Deuteronomy 5:2–3

“The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Horeb.
The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers,
but with us, all of us alive here today.”​

This is one of the clearest declarations that the covenant was specifically with the nation standing at Sinai.
Psalm 147:19–20

“He declares His word to Jacob…
He has not dealt thus with any nation.”​

2. Could Gentiles enter the Sinai covenant?
Scripture shows that Gentiles could join Israel and thus participate in the covenant—but they were not native participants.
Foreigners could join—but only by becoming part of Israel
Exodus 12:48

“When a stranger sojourns with you and wants to keep the Passover…let all his males be circumcised; then he may come near and keep it; he shall be as a native of the land.”​

To join the covenant, a Gentile had to accept the covenant sign (circumcision) and effectively be treated as an Israelite.
This means:

• Gentiles were not natural members of the Sinai covenant.
• They could join, but only by entering Israel through circumcision.

The NT confirms Gentiles were foreigners to this covenant
Ephesians 2:11–12

“You Gentiles in the flesh…were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise.”​

This directly states:

• Gentiles were outside the Sinai covenant.
• They were foreigners to Israel’s covenants.

Thus the NT perfectly harmonizes with the OT: the Sinai covenant was not made with Gentiles.
3. Was the first covenant a covenant of “legal works”?
Yes—Scripture itself describes the Sinai covenant as a covenant of works, contrasted with the new covenant of grace.
Paul: the Law is not of faith — it is works
Galatians 3:10–12

“The law is not of faith; rather ‘He who does them shall live by them.’”​

This is a covenantal principle:
Life is obtained by doing → therefore it is a works-based covenant.
Romans 10:5

“Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them.”​

This is the fundamental nature of the Sinai covenant:
“Do this and live.”
4. Was the first covenant a covenant “of the flesh”?
The NT says yes, in several interconnected ways.
(A) It was based on the fleshly sign of circumcision
Galatians 4:23–24
Paul calls one covenant “born according to the flesh.”
He directly connects this to Mount Sinai (v.24–25).
(B) It relied on human obedience rather than the Spirit
Hebrews 8:9

“They did not continue in My covenant…”​

The covenant depended on human ability (“the flesh”), not the Spirit.
(C) The law operates in the realm of the flesh
Romans 7:5–6

“While we were in the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law…”​

This ties the Mosaic law to the sphere of “flesh.”
(D) Paul contrasts the “letter” (Sinai) with the “Spirit” (New Covenant)
2 Corinthians 3:6–7

“The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life…
The ministry of death, carved in letters on stone…”​

The “letter” = commandments engraved in stone = Sinai.
This is the sphere of “flesh,” not Spirit.
Summary (Scripture Only)
1. Was the Sinai covenant only with Israel?
Yes. (Ex 19; Dt 5:2–3; Ps 147:19–20)
2. Could Gentiles join?
Yes, but only by becoming part of Israel through circumcision.
They were foreigners to the covenant by nature. (Ex 12:48; Eph 2:12)
3. Was the Sinai covenant a covenant of legal works?
Yes. Scripture itself says:

• “The law is not of faith.” (Gal 3:12)
• “He who does them shall live by them.” (Rom 10:5)

It was a do-this-and-live covenant.
4. Was it a covenant of the flesh?
Yes.

• Associated with circumcision, a fleshly sign.
• Described as “according to the flesh” (Gal 4:23–24).
• Operates in the realm of the letter, not the Spirit (2 Cor 3:6).

 

[Inquisitor]

it would be easy to prove you wrong but you will not listen. if I have time I will, but in the meantime why don't you use your AI to prove you wrong it should not be difficult for AI to do so.

I will ask you for the third time what sources are you using for your knowledge of the scripture?

 

[Inquisitor]

it is not a catholic teaching, it is a jesus teaching! yeah I agree it is important to read the new testament the most important verses that will save us all are in Matthew, John, Luke and Mark,

Incorrect on "it is not a catholic teaching" because the Catholics say the ten words are binding.

And so do the Reformers, the Protestants, the Methodists, the Millerites, and the SDA, say it's binding.

Jesus did specify most of the ten commandments but the context matters.

Jesus in the strict context of the gospels was speaking directly to the Jews.

Jesus was only sent to the Jews.

Matthew 15:24
But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Prove me wrong.

Gentiles were grafted into Christ years later.

Romans 11:17-24
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them.

A wild olive tree is a tree that is artificially introduced into the natural olive tree (grafted into).

Now for the slam dunk.

Ephesians 11:11-12
Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision”
by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands remember that you
were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers
to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

Your so Catholic it shocks me.

 

[vassal]

We would all like to know what YOU say. There are not all that many confused on the actual gospel as you try to portray. Believers in the true gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ do not choose a gospel. They know what the gospel is and when they say that word, gospel, they are not playing games like it seems you might be doing here.

So yeah. Which gospel do you follow?

The words of Jesus Christ our Lord and God is the Gospel i follow. It should be obvious by now.

 

[vassal]

I will ask you for the third time what sources are you using for your knowledge of the scripture?

The words in the Bible NKJV is the source you should know this when I quoted the 5 verses where God says the Ten commandments are the Covenant. and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

 

[TMS]

I see you have given as much underestanding to what I post as you have to what scritpure says about your opinions. God, objects strongly to the way you change what scripture actually states.



Yes? Are you now? You have gone on and on about 'perfection' through obedience and now you are going to scoot over to 'walking in the spirit?' Hurry though cause your hem is catching fire.

The rest of your post is your desire to continue to preach at people who know what walking in the spirit is. No one needs your homegrown handy dandy notes.

You are so quick to condemn
But you haven't replied to all the scripture God supplied.. the verses remain and they are the reason I am saying things.
If you are fully surrendered to the flesh and 100% walking in the Spirit of God then will you be sinning? No

Don't preach the devil's doctrine that sin is okay and that we can't overcome the sin around us.

This all started because you said we can't keep the commandments
im saying we can keep them by the power of Jesus in us.
Joh 16:33 .... In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
True victory is not achieved by our own strength but by Christ living His life of resistance to sin within us.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

If Christ is working in us to do His will, would any sin be part of His will.. no
So God's will is sinlessness and sinless living.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[vassal]

Incorrect on "it is not a catholic teaching" because the Catholics say the ten words are binding.

And so do the Reformers, the Protestants, the Methodists, the Millerites, and the SDA, say it's binding.

Jesus did specify most of the ten commandments but the context matters.

Jesus in the strict context of the gospels was speaking directly to the Jews.

Jesus was only sent to the Jews.

Matthew 15:24
But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Prove me wrong.

Gentiles were grafted into Christ years later.

Romans 11:17-24
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them.

A wild olive tree is a tree that is artificially introduced into the natural olive tree (grafted into).

Now for the slam dunk.

Ephesians 11:11-12
Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision”
by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands remember that you
were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers
to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

Your so Catholic it shocks me.

"I am not part of any denomination. I follow the words of Jesus my Lord and Savior. Now you know.

As for Jesus, it is true that He first came to the lost sheep of Israel, His chosen people. Do you understand this? Yes, I believe so. Why would He not start with His own people? But He also chose the twelve for a mission called the Great Commission, and it is written in your Bible that Jesus sent them throughout the world to teach everything He did and everything He said. This is why we have Matthew, John, Luke, and Mark, so we can learn much from their writings. The message of Jesus is eternal life and the kingdom of heaven and how to enter it, and He explained this first to the Jews to bring them back and to teach them how to follow the law they were not keeping. If you read Matthew 23, where Jesus rebukes the Pharisees, you will understand why He started with His own people.

The message of Jesus, given through all His appointed apostles, was meant to spread the good news to all the world and not only to the Jews. And they surely did so."

 

[pinebeach]

Don't preach the devil's doctrine that sin is okay and that we can't overcome the sin around us.

Get your eyes checked. If anything, I have said the exact oppositr. Trying to get some kind of nasty exchange here? I'll let people read what I posted. What is your purpose in deliberately trying to put words to my credit I never said?

This all started because you said we can't keep the commandments
im saying we can keep them by the power of Jesus in us.

God's word says we cannot keep the commandments. Apparently you disagree with God. Posting things that are not true and saying I said such and such when I did not say any such thing is baring false witness against me. Broken commandment right there.

Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

If Christ is working in us to do His will, would any sin be part of His will.. no
So God's will is sinlessness and sinless living.

So God has taken you over and you are no longer responsible. You truly do not have a proper grasp of scripture.

 

[pinebeach]

The words of Jesus Christ our Lord and God is the Gospel i follow. It should be obvious by now.

Very vague answer. You said some people agree with Jeusus and some agree with Paul. Exactly what do you believe? Be specific because this vague response is generated to make it sound you are all about Jesus and yet you are also all about the commandments.

4Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. 5For when we lived according to the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, bearing fruit for death. 6But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

It seems you disagree with Paul if you reject the scripture above from Romans 7. If we identify with Jesus, then, according to Paul here, you have died to the law. But you cannot say that because it seems you may disregard what Paul states.

Jesus called Paul personally, so saying some follow Jesus and some follow Paul, is in disregard to the truth which is that Jesus and Paul agree. If you disasgree with this, that means you are not teaching the true gospel.

 

[pinebeach]

The message of Jesus, given through all His appointed apostles, was meant to spread the good news to all the world and not only to the Jews. And they surely did so."

Yes. And then Jesus called Paul personally and made him the apostle to Gentiles.

Or are you of the belief that Paul was not an Apostle? Yes or no question but feel free to include scripture in your answer as long as said scripture is in context.