The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Inquisitor]

1.Exodus 34:27–28
Exo 34:27 The LORD also said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”
Exo 34:28 So Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.


2. Deuteronomy 4:13
Deu 4:13 He declared to you His covenant, which He commanded you to follow—the Ten Commandments that He wrote on two tablets of stone.


3. Deuteronomy 9:9
Deu 9:9 When I went up on the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the LORD made with you, I stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I ate no bread and drank no water.


4. Deuteronomy 9:11
Deu 9:11 And at the end of forty days and forty nights, the LORD gave me the two stone tablets, the tablets of the covenant.


5. Deuteronomy 9:15
Deu 9:15 So I went back down the mountain while it was blazing with fire, with the two tablets of the covenant in my hands.

There are other important details to that first covenant.

Leviticus 24:8
Every sabbath day he shall set it in order before the Lord continually; it is an everlasting covenant for the sons of Israel.

This is how I know that Gentile nations were not included in that covenant God made with the son's of Israel.

Prove me wrong.

 

[Inquisitor]

Imputed righteousness is a wonderful gift. Praise the Lord for this gift.

But there is imparted righteousness as well. It is a gift and I praise His for this gift as well.

Can you explain what this is?

The only possible thing you can do is accept Christ's righteousness as a gift.

And stop boasting about your attempt to be righteous.

Boast in Christ Jesus and nothing else.

 

[TMS]

Another spurious statement below?

"Once received, the Holy Spirit helps us follow the Ten Commandments and understand them."

That is the teaching of the Catholic Church you inherited.

The scripture is very clear in what the Holy Spirit empowers us to do.

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness,
self-control; against such things there is no law.

You have been equipped to love others and that is the true commandment.

All the law does is expose you for who you really are and the law condemns.

When I am about to sin... lie or covet etc. .. I can feel th small voice in my heart saying that is sin, causing me to feel guilty. This is the holy Spirit talking to me.
The holy Spirit convicts us of sin.
The law is a principle that can not do anything except reveal what is right and wrong.

If we have different Laws we will have different ideas on what is right and wrong

 

[Me_Clay]

When I am about to sin... lie or covet etc. .. I can feel th small voice in my heart saying that is sin, causing me to feel guilty. This is the holy Spirit talking to me.
The holy Spirit convicts us of sin.
The law is a principle that can not do anything except reveal what is right and wrong.

If we have different Laws we will have different ideas on what is right and wrong

May I ask what law is that you're referring to?

 

[Inquisitor]

When I am about to sin... lie or covet etc. .. I can feel th small voice in my heart saying that is sin, causing me to feel guilty. This is the holy Spirit talking to me.
The holy Spirit convicts us of sin.
The law is a principle that can not do anything except reveal what is right and wrong.

If we have different Laws we will have different ideas on what is right and wrong

I get the inner voice telling me to pray continually.

Yet that is not a law.

I have an inner voice telling me to proclaim Jesus often and that I don't do very often.

That also is not in the law.

I constantly get an inner voice instructing me to put others first and not my own interests first.

One of the toughest to obey and that one breaks me.

 

[TMS]

There are other important details to that first covenant.

Leviticus 24:8
Every sabbath day he shall set it in order before the Lord continually; it is an everlasting covenant for the sons of Israel.

This is how I know that Gentile nations were not included in that covenant God made with the son's of Israel.

Prove me wrong.

Isa 56:6-7 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

FOR ALL PEOPLE

Israel was God's selected people to be a light to the world, God wanted all to become part of His people...

Today His special people are those that keep His commandments and have the testmony of Jesus.... They believe in Jesus and love Him.

The remnant...
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

We are the seed of Abraham, we are the sons of Israel today.. as the Israel of God we should continue in that everlasting covenant.

The new covenant... Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The house of Israel is those that have been grafted in.

Rom 11:16-17
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

 

[pinebeach]

Jesus said "go and sin no more"

He meant go and quit it with the adultery. Bad example.

The Lord desires our perfect obedience,

No He doesn't. There is not one example of this in scripture. What He actually does desire, is our trust and faith in His Son and the fact that He alone atones for our sins. If perfection was achievable, then Jesus would never had have to die. Are you the only one who has managed to be that perfect?

Typical... you didn't seem to read things in context... I can have total victory by faith but I didn't claim it

What does you did not claim it mean? EVERYTHING in the NC is by faith. We don't claim our salvation. It is only through Jesus we come to salvation.

I did not claim that I have it but I said I CAN have it by faith.

What's stopping you? Perhaps the realization you cannot have 'it'? This comment is almost laughable. You are squirming all over the place

Jesus is my example and I believe I can follow his example when Jesus lives in me. Just so you don't take it out of context I am not saying I am perfect.

Backpeddle much? smh

 

[pinebeach]

Are you saying Jesus came to save us in our sins, that because of His grace we can continue in sin? I believe Jesus came to save us FROM our sins.

Show me where I said that. That is one of the most obnoxious and deliberate untruths that people rely on to try and make those who understand only Jesus is perfect and never sinned, to sound like we think we can continue to sin. But please, show me where I said that.

do you believe we can be in christ and work iniquity at the same time?

Well what are you doing? Do you think misrepresenting what is stated, with scripture, by me is godly? Do you believe that and that you can continue to not be truthful about what I said? I don't think Jesus thinks that is ok

 

[pinebeach]

Imputed righteousness is a wonderful gift. Praise the Lord for this gift.

But there is imparted righteousness as well. It is a gift and I praise His for this gift as well.

Can you explain what this is?

Righteousness, in its most basic sense, refers to the moral perfection and upright standing required before a holy God. In Scripture, it signifies being in right relationship with God-a status of legal acquittal from sin and the positive alignment of a person’s character and actions with divine holiness. Two primary expressions of this righteousness appear in Christian theology and in key biblical passages: imputed righteousness (the credited righteousness of Christ to believers) and imparted righteousness (the transforming work of God within believers).

If you are sketchy on those 2 terms, here's a simple read for you.

Can you tell us what the actual gospel is or are you just going to continue to make yourself sound out of touch with actual scripture

 

[vassal]

That is correct that former covenant was between God and Israel as the verse below tells us.

1.Exodus 34:27–28
Exo 34:27 The LORD also said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

God did not make a covenant with the Gentiles.

Not what Jesus and God said, no offence but I have the impression of speaking to a first grader who just started, dont you know anything?

 

[vassal]

That is correct that former covenant was between God and Israel as the verse below tells us.

1.Exodus 34:27–28
Exo 34:27 The LORD also said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

God did not make a covenant with the Gentiles.

The covenant if for everyone who believes, it is why jesus sent the disciples to all the worls to teach all he did and said. if you read what was written in your bible you would know this.

 

[vassal]

The teaching that the ten commandments are binding on Christians. Is a Catholic teaching
and a very old doctrine of the Catholic Church.

The scripture does remind the Jews of the commandments that they received at Mt Sinai.

There is no instruction in the N.T that Gentiles are under the law.

It is important to always read the N.T in context.

Reject Sola Tradition and accept Sola Scripture.

it is not a catholic teaching, it is a jesus teaching! yeah I agree it is important to read the new testament the most important verses that will save us all are in Matthew, John, Luke and Mark,

 

[vassal]

It's not on me because AI examined your claim.

You still have not revealed your sources?

You certainly did not discover the ten words yourself.

Nor did you originate those five covenant verses in Exodus.

Your either a Catholic or a Reformer which one is it?

You talk like a Catholic and walk like a Catholic.

You have a strong pedigree of the traditional interpretation.

are you for real read post no 230.

 

[TMS]

May I ask what law is that you're referring to?

The law of love.
The law of liberty.
The Royal law.

The one Jesus was referring to, the one Paul was referring to, and James was referring to.

The 2 laws .... love God with all your heart and neighbour your neighbour as yourself, are what the 10 Commandments hang on. The first 4 are about loving God, and the next 6 are about loving your neighbour.

Jesus expanded on the 10 commandments and said... Mat 5:27-28 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Jesus said in Mat 19:17-19
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jesus said to keep the 10 commandments

And Paul..
Rom 7:7-12
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived,... 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 13:8-10
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

James said... Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Remember that when the new Testament was written there were only 2 major laws

The cerimonial laws written on scrolls and placed on the side of the ark, and the 10 commandments written on stone inside the ark.

The law I am referring to is the 10 commandments..

 

[vassal]

There are other important details to that first covenant.

Leviticus 24:8
Every sabbath day he shall set it in order before the Lord continually; it is an everlasting covenant for the sons of Israel.

This is how I know that Gentile nations were not included in that covenant God made with the son's of Israel.

Prove me wrong.

it would be easy to prove you wrong but you will not listen. if I have time I will, but in the meantime why don't you use your AI to prove you wrong it should not be difficult for AI to do so.

 

[GWH]

it is not a catholic teaching, it is a jesus teaching! yeah I agree it is important to read the new testament the most important verses that will save us all are in Matthew, John, Luke and Mark,

Yes.
John 14:15 is statement #53 by Jesus regarding how to be saved,
and Matt. 19:17 is #23, which I had missed, so thanks for sharing it!
(I will amend the website.)

 

[soulprobe]

Jer. 31:7-9 is an OT way of describing those who will saved,
and 1Thes. 4:15-17 & 1Cor. 15:51-53 are NT ways of describing the same saved.
The OT land of Canaan = the NT garden in Heaven.

The OT land of Canaan is the NT garden in heaven? Do you always make up stuff like this to get your beliefs to fit the scripture?

“I will gather... the blind and the lame... woman with child… one who labors...They shall come with weeping... with supplications... I will lead them… [and] cause them to walk by the rivers of waters, In a straight way in which they shall not stumble;; (Jeremiah 31: 7-9 briefed)

So you say the above is an Old Testament way of saying:

“We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, the last trumpet will sound, and the dead in Christ will rise first... incorruptible, then we who are alive... shall be changed [and] caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Thessalonians 4: 15-17 & 1 Corinthians 15: 51-53 merged & briefed)

A child can see those are not the same events nor the same groups... unless you're the one teaching the children before they get to reading the bible on their own.

 

[soulprobe]

There will be murderers in heaven, David murdered and he will be saved.

God said .... Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

I know that those that refuse to surrender there hearts to Jesus and continue to sin when God has convicted them, will be found wanting. But when it comes to judging the individuals heart, I can not do that. If you think you have the right to judge, then you really need to consider your rights as a fallen sinner.

I will say that to transgress the law of God is a sin. And the sabbath is the forth commandment in the law.
So to not remember the sabbath is a sin when you know better.

Salvation isn't earned by doing things because then we can say we gained it by works.
Salvation is by faith alone but true faith will be revealed in the actions and fruits.

Your question should not be asked because as fallen sinful people we can not judge who will be saved.

By people's fruits we will know them. By their fruits we can understand where they stand. But judgement is for Jesus alone..

I know what the consequences will be for those that willfully transgress the law of God. And I know that the sabbath commandment is one of the laws that we will be judged by.
So I encourage people to follow the law.

I can know what is sin... but I can not judge who is going to heaven or not.
The final judgement is for Jesus.

Transgressing the sabbath commandment is a sin..

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

You may want to try rereading what I posted…. I said “Christians who continue to murder”… David repented and stopped murdering. Unless you believe God’s forgiveness is worthless and those who repent and are forgiven by God will still be called murderers, liars and thieves while they are in heaven.

So instead of being “slippery” like many of your Sabbath teaching associates, can you give me a simple yes or no answer..., will the billions of professing Christians that have ever lived, who chose to not obey the 4th commandment by resting from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset and continue to do so till their last breath, get punished by God like murderers, liars and thieves and get thrown into the Lake of Fire as a consequence?

 

[decipher]

The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."

"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)

This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant. When we look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, we see God speaking of a new covenant, but notice what He says:

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."

This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that the ten commandments that are the covenant instead of being written on stone tablets, would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.

Now, let's connect this with the Ark of the Covenant. In Deuteronomy 10:1-5, God commanded Moses to place the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark:


"At that time the Lord said to me, ‘Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make yourself an ark of wood... Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.’"

This shows the special place of the Ten Commandments, inside the Ark, symbolizing their central role in the covenant. But what about the rest of the law? In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, Moses wrote the book of the law and placed it beside the Ark:


"So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: ‘Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you.’”

This distinction is important. The Ten Commandments being described clearly as the Covenant were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant, showing their eternal, unchanging nature as the foundation of the covenant. The rest of the law was placed beside the Ark, acting as a witness.

Now, when Jeremiah speaks of the law being written in our hearts, he is speaking of the same law, the Ten Commandments. The "new" part of the covenant is not that the law changes but that God Himself ensures it is within us, guiding us from within rather than being an external set of rules. This aligns perfectly with how Jesus upheld and fulfilled the law, always pointing back to love for God and neighbor as the foundation of obedience (Matthew 22:36-40).

So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are.

Blessings

The original covenant was the one with God and Adam. Eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil will result in death, physical and spiritual. The result of breaking that covenant was that their posterity are all born with that knowledge and we all fail. It got to a point that men were so evil that the laws of right and wrong had to be written for all to see. That is when we got the Letter of the Law which was the new covenant then, but old now. This covenant was with God and the Jews. They all fail. The New Covenant now is the Spirit of the Law. It was given to both Jews and Gentiles. This new covenant was given by Jesus when he was asked which is the greatest commandment. He said that the first commandment was to love God (the Father) first with all your mind, heart, and soul. The second is just like it; love everyone else as you love yourself. Upon these two commandments the Letter of the Law is based. Again, everyone fails. In order to save some humans two things have to happen: their sins would have to be erased and then they would have to be perfected by filling them with Love for God first and for everyone else as they love themselves. We get baptized in the name of the Father when He chooses us by granting repentance of sins committed to such a degree that we turn to Him for forgiveness. He in turn provides knowledge through the Bible and the preaching of saved Christians concerning the remission of sins through belief in Jesus Christ. We are baptized in the name of the Son when we believe that it was through his death that our sins are remitted. He (not us) in turn baptizes us in the name of the Holy Spirit when we get indwelled with the Holy Spirit which acts as a portal through which both Father and Son can enter our beings in order to change our motivation for living from love of self first to love of God first

 

[GWH]

The OT land of Canaan is the NT garden in heaven? Do you always make up stuff like this to get your beliefs to fit the scripture?

“I will gather... the blind and the lame... woman with child… one who labors...They shall come with weeping... with supplications... I will lead them… [and] cause them to walk by the rivers of waters, In a straight way in which they shall not stumble;; (Jeremiah 31: 7-9 briefed)

So you say the above is an Old Testament way of saying:

“We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, the last trumpet will sound, and the dead in Christ will rise first... incorruptible, then we who are alive... shall be changed [and] caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Thessalonians 4: 15-17 & 1 Corinthians 15: 51-53 merged & briefed)

A child can see those are not the same events nor the same groups... unless you're the one teaching the children before they get to reading the bible on their own.

I am always amazed when understandings of Scripture that I thought were common are considered made up by some on CC.
As usual, the critic omits key parts of GW, in this case the phrase "they shall return here", which gathering refers to Canaan,
but in the NT is viewed as rising to heaven--obviously?

BTW, your website is nice , but your disagreeable nature , not so much.