The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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That wasn't an accusation. That was a question that you, VERY TELLINGLY, refuse to answer.

Will God toss into hell those that do not keep the Sabbath?

Yes the other posted presumed I said something I never said as I quoted to you and that and is wrong!

Jesus said something that might answer the question for you he said REPENT! and sin no more.

I will say is that if someone knows about the commandments and absolutely, stubbornly still refuses to obey ,God might cut that person off, it is rebellion against God. God Knows man's heart, I do not. He will be the Judge of what to do , not me. so I truly cannot say exactly what will happen. My answer is clear and will not change.

You want a yes or no answer for hell that Only God/Jesus can provide. Just Remember Adam and Eve.

I will discuss this no more. so do not bother for a reply.
 
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At this point in discussions, vassal, in order for them not to become endless arguments I say that I bet
my understanding is closer to correct than yours and will see you in heaven to collect, so happy trails until then!

P.S. "The former regulation [Levitical law per Heb. 7:11] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant."
(Hebrews 7:18a & 22b, cf. Matt. 22:37-40 & John 13:34-35).[/QUOTE]




we may have a different understanding of certain things but we often agree i think. the fourth commandment is a complex subject so lets as you say leave it for now.

about your P.S I did not forget but confirm in a new thread I started;
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...nt-written-on-our-hearts.221375/#post-5626866

Blessings.
 
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At this point in discussions, vassal, in order for them not to become endless arguments I say that I bet
my understanding is closer to correct than yours and will see you in heaven to collect, so happy trails until then!

P.S. "The former regulation [Levitical law per Heb. 7:11] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant."
(Hebrews 7:18a & 22b, cf. Matt. 22:37-40 & John 13:34-35).

we may have a different understanding of certain things but we often agree i think. the fourth commandment is a complex subject so lets as you say leave it for now.

about your P.S I did not forget but confirm in a new thread I started;
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...nt-written-on-our-hearts.221375/#post-5626866

Blessings.[/QUOTE]

I am glad we often agree, and I agree to agree to disagree regarding the validity of Sabbatarianism for now.
I will look for your new thread and TTYL there. :D
 
you and only you are saying this I never said anything like this
You're still avoiding my question. I know Jesus gave commandments. You are saying one of those commandments that Jesus gave to Christians was to rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. So are you saying that Jesus will throw into the lake of fire billions of professing Christians who chose not observe this commandment since His resurrection, with the exception of those Christians who have been following the teachings of an 18th/19th century American woman? Yes or no.
 
you and only you are saying this I never said anything like this
My apology.... I misread your quote because I included your huge signature.... lol. But let me ask this question for any of the Christian sabbath keepers: Are any of you saying that Jesus will throw into the lake of fire billions of professing Christians who chose not to observe this commandment since His resurrection, with the exception of those Christians who have been following the teachings of an 18th/19th century American woman? Yes or no.
 
The Law of Moses was "A" Covenant. Not the covenant prophesied by Jeremiah which is "not the covenant he made with Moses"
 
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The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."

"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)

This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant. When we look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, we see God speaking of a new covenant, but notice what He says:

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."


This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that the ten commandments that are the covenant instead of being written on stone tablets, would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.

Now, let's connect this with the Ark of the Covenant. In Deuteronomy 10:1-5, God commanded Moses to place the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark:


"At that time the Lord said to me, ‘Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make yourself an ark of wood... Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.’"

This shows the special place of the Ten Commandments, inside the Ark, symbolizing their central role in the covenant. But what about the rest of the law? In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, Moses wrote the book of the law and placed it beside the Ark:


"So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: ‘Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you.’”

This distinction is important. The Ten Commandments being described clearly as the Covenant were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant, showing their eternal, unchanging nature as the foundation of the covenant. The rest of the law was placed beside the Ark, acting as a witness.

Now, when Jeremiah speaks of the law being written in our hearts, he is speaking of the same law, the Ten Commandments. The "new" part of the covenant is not that the law changes but that God Himself ensures it is within us, guiding us from within rather than being an external set of rules. This aligns perfectly with how Jesus upheld and fulfilled the law, always pointing back to love for God and neighbor as the foundation of obedience (Matthew 22:36-40).

So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are.

Blessings

Have you been taught that you are under the law?
 
My apology.... I misread your quote because I included your huge signature.... lol. But let me ask this question for any of the Christian sabbath keepers: Are any of you saying that Jesus will throw into the lake of fire billions of professing Christians who chose not to observe this commandment since His resurrection, with the exception of those Christians who have been following the teachings of an 18th/19th century American woman? Yes or no.
No I don't think so, God is Just and Good will take into account the heart of the person. that will be the deciding factor most likely, that is my opinion however. I am nothing compared to God but I know he is amazingly merciful ,generous , loving and patient far beyond what we can imagine. I think we must try our best with the abilities we have.

As for the woman you must mean Hellen G white? I do not know or would read what she wrote. the bible is enough for me.

someone can follow the sabbath but be a murderer, or cheat on his wife/husband, or hate their neighbours, Sabbath keeping is not an assurance of anything. God wants us to be Holy as He is Holy, the Holy Spirit of God, works within us if we let it to make us understand scripture, the Holy Spirit will make all things possil=ble certainly for those who fully trust in God and do His will. I know with Absolute certainty and have no doubt whatsoever that God wants us to follow the Ten Commandments, his Covenant.

Blessings
 
Under the New Covenant and not under the letter of the law, see Jeremiah 31 for the new covenant definition.

I understand the new covenant.

You quoted from the book of the law when you stated "the ten commandments".

The old covenant was based on the book of the law.

The new covenant is not based on the book of the law.

Here is the verse you quoted.

If ye love me, keep my commandments. (john 14:15)

So which commandments are being referred to here?

New covenant commandments or old covenant commandments?
 
The main difference in the Old and New Covenant was not in God's expectations of us but, rather, WHERE it was to be written. The Old Covenant was written on tablets of stone. In the New Covenant God's directives are written on our HEARTS and MINDS BY the LIVING SPIRIT. The Gospel like the Mosaic Law also comes with commands which, we are obliged to follow.
 
No I don't think so, God is Just and Good will take into account the heart of the person. that will be the deciding factor most likely, that is my opinion however. I am nothing compared to God but I know he is amazingly merciful ,generous , loving and patient far beyond what we can imagine. I think we must try our best with the abilities we have.

As for the woman you must mean Hellen G white? I do not know or would read what she wrote. the bible is enough for me.

someone can follow the sabbath but be a murderer, or cheat on his wife/husband, or hate their neighbours, Sabbath keeping is not an assurance of anything. God wants us to be Holy as He is Holy, the Holy Spirit of God, works within us if we let it to make us understand scripture, the Holy Spirit will make all things possil=ble certainly for those who fully trust in God and do His will. I know with Absolute certainty and have no doubt whatsoever that God wants us to follow the Ten Commandments, his Covenant.

Blessings
No issue with Christians choosing to observe sabbaths and holy days... the only problem I have is when it's taught as a requirement for salvation. And you may not know about Ellen White but I think, I am not certain, that she was the first to rip the Ten commandments out of the Law of Moses (Old Covenant) and mix it with Christian teachings to create a new denomination.... The Jews certainly had nothing to do with doing something like that and neither did Christ's disciples who were also Jews who viewed "the law" (the law of Moses) in its entirety, as was their custom. This ripping out the Ten commandments out of the Old Covenant is a modern Gentile Christian creation... a modern Gentile bastardization of the Old and New Covenants.
 
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The main difference in the Old and New Covenant was not in God's expectations of us but, rather, WHERE it was to be written. The Old Covenant was written on tablets of stone. In the New Covenant God's directives are written on our HEARTS and MINDS BY the LIVING SPIRIT. The Gospel like the Mosaic Law also comes with commands which, we are obliged to follow.
Yes we follow the commandments not by obligation but because we Love God and trust in him completely. For me it is the case. The Holy Spirit does put them in our heart if we Love God. As written they are not a burden.

Blessings
 
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I understand the new covenant.

You quoted from the book of the law when you stated "the ten commandments".

The old covenant was based on the book of the law.

The new covenant is not based on the book of the law.

Here is the verse you quoted.

If ye love me, keep my commandments. (john 14:15)

So which commandments are being referred to here?

New covenant commandments or old covenant commandments?
God defined the Covenant, 5 times in the O.T., he said the ten commandments are the Covenant, they were placed in the ark of the Covenant. the rest of the law of Moses was placed outside the Ark of the covenant.

The new and the old covenant are the same. Under the old covenant people followed the letter of the Law, but after Jesus’ death the veil of the temple was torn and we now have full access to God. Jesus intercedes for all believers and sends us the Holy Spirit, just as He promised. Once received, the Holy Spirit helps us follow the Ten Commandments and understand them. They are not just rules to follow blindly, because now we can keep them in our hearts and in our daily lives, The Holy Spirit tells us this and gives the believers this knowledge just like Jesus told us he would. The foundation of the commandments is Love, this is what Jesus came to teach us.

Blessings.
 
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God defined the Covenant, 5 times in the O.T., he said the ten commandments are the Covenant, they were placed in the ark of the Covenant. the rest of the law of Moses was placed outside the Ark of the covenant.

The new and the old covenant are the same. Under the old covenant people followed the letter of the Law, but after Jesus’ death the veil of the temple was torn and we now have full access to God. Jesus intercedes for all believers and sends us the Holy Spirit, just as He promised. Once received, the Holy Spirit helps us follow the Ten Commandments and understand them. They are not just rules to follow blindly, because now we can keep them in our hearts and in our daily lives, The Holy Spirit tells us this and gives the believers this knowledge just like Jesus told us he would. The foundation of the commandments is Love, this is what Jesus came to teach us.

Blessings.

You have made a critical error when you stated, "The new and the old covenant are the same".

Here is a purely literal explanation of the immense difference between these two covenants.

Using AI.

1. Is the covenant with Israel at Mt. Sinai the same as the New Covenant Jesus established?

Scripture says they are not the same.

The Sinai Covenant is explicitly called “the first covenant”

  • “For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.”Hebrews 8:7
  • “In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old.”Hebrews 8:13
The New Covenant is explicitly said to replace the Sinai covenant

  • “He takes away the first that He may establish the second.”Hebrews 10:9

Therefore, Scripture plainly teaches that the covenant at Sinai and the New Covenant are not the same covenant.



2. Are the commandments the same in both covenants?

No—Scripture shows a change in the nature, purpose, and location of the commandments.

Sinai covenant commandments

  • Written on stoneExodus 31:18
  • External rules — 2 Corinthians 3:3
  • “The ministry of death…engraved on stones” — 2 Corinthians 3:7
  • A “yoke” Israel could not bear — Acts 15:10
New Covenant commandments

  • Written on the heartJeremiah 31:33 / Hebrews 8:10
  • Fulfilled by loveRomans 13:8–10
  • Expressed by the SpiritRomans 8:2–4
  • Summed up by “believe” and “love”
    • “This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another.”1 John 3:23

Scripture teaches that the commandments of the New Covenant are not the same as Mt. Sinai laws.
There is continuity in moral reality, but the form, power, and obedience shift from external law to Spirit-empowered love.



3. Is the difference between a covenant of works and a covenant of grace one of the major differences?

Yes—Scripture makes this distinction directly.

Sinai is described as “of works”

  • “The law is not of faith; rather, ‘The one who does them shall live by them.’”Galatians 3:12
  • “By the works of the law no flesh will be justified.”Romans 3:20
The New Covenant is explicitly “of grace”

  • “For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.”John 1:17
  • “You are not under law but under grace.”Romans 6:14

Scripture consistently contrasts:


Law (works) — vs — Grace (faith and Spirit)
Sinai — vs — New Covenant



4. Is one of the primary differences in the New Covenant the power of the Holy Spirit?

According to Scripture, yes—this is one of the central differences.

The Sinai Covenant lacked the Spirit’s indwelling power

Israel was told what to do, but not empowered internally to do it:


  • “Oh, that they had such a heart in them to fear Me…”Deut. 5:29
New Covenant obedience comes from the Spirit

  • “I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes.”Ezekiel 36:27
  • “The law of the Spirit of life…has set you free.”Romans 8:2
  • “If by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body…”Romans 8:13
The Spirit writes the law internally

  • “…not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.”2 Corinthians 3:3
The Spirit produces fruit, not law-keeping

  • Galatians 5:22–23 — love, joy, peace, etc.
  • “Against such things there is no law.”

This is a fundamental, structural difference in the nature of obedience.



5. Is the New Covenant defined by “Christ within”?

Yes—this is one of its essential characteristics.

Christ in you

  • “Christ in you, the hope of glory.”Colossians 1:27
We live by the indwelling Christ

  • “It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me.”Galatians 2:20
The Spirit of Christ defines belonging to Him

  • “If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.”Romans 8:9
The New Covenant is the internal presence of God

  • “We are the temple of the living God.”2 Corinthians 6:16

The entire difference between the covenants hinges on this:
External law vs. internal indwelling Christ.
 
The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."

"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)

This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant. When we look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, we see God speaking of a new covenant, but notice what He says:

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."


This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that the ten commandments that are the covenant instead of being written on stone tablets, would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.

Now, let's connect this with the Ark of the Covenant. In Deuteronomy 10:1-5, God commanded Moses to place the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark:


"At that time the Lord said to me, ‘Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make yourself an ark of wood... Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.’"

This shows the special place of the Ten Commandments, inside the Ark, symbolizing their central role in the covenant. But what about the rest of the law? In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, Moses wrote the book of the law and placed it beside the Ark:


"So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: ‘Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you.’”

This distinction is important. The Ten Commandments being described clearly as the Covenant were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant, showing their eternal, unchanging nature as the foundation of the covenant. The rest of the law was placed beside the Ark, acting as a witness.

Now, when Jeremiah speaks of the law being written in our hearts, he is speaking of the same law, the Ten Commandments. The "new" part of the covenant is not that the law changes but that God Himself ensures it is within us, guiding us from within rather than being an external set of rules. This aligns perfectly with how Jesus upheld and fulfilled the law, always pointing back to love for God and neighbor as the foundation of obedience (Matthew 22:36-40).

So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are.

Blessings
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law and the prophets ( old covenant )were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, ( new covenant ) and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there isn’t one covenant and then a revision . There’s a covenant that was broken by the people it was made with and then there’s a new covenant with better promises and a far better word
 
The new and the old covenant are the same.

Blessings.
The new and the old covenant (contract/agreement) are not the same.

The first covenant (Old Covenant) was a contract/agreement between God and the children of Israel. It was written down in detail after it was orally summarized by God from Sinai. This covenant was not made with any other nation and it was to be upheld and administered by the people and a human priesthood derived from that nation within a specific geographical location that was promised long before to their forefather Abraham.

The second covenant (New Covenant) is a contract/agreement between God and His Children (Brothers and Friends of His First Born Son Jesus) who have been drawn by their Father to His Son Jesus. This covenant is miraculously written on the hearts of God’s Children by the Holy Spirit. This covenant is not made between the Father and any person that is not first drawn to Christ by their Father and is not upheld and administered within a predetermined geographical location but upheld within the hearts of God’s Children and administered by the High Priest Jesus Christ by means of the Holy Spirit.
 
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law and the prophets ( old covenant )were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, ( new covenant ) and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there isn’t one covenant and then a revision . There’s a covenant that was broken by the people it was made with and then there’s a new covenant with better promises and a far better word
From what I can gather, I'm of the opinion that this new covenant in Jeremiah is not the same as the new covenant made in Christ’s blood between God the Father and His Children (Brothers and Friends of His First Born Son Jesus) who have been drawn by their Father to His Son Jesus, who are from every nation and tongue and have overcome in a world ruled by Satan.

This new covenant in Jeremiah is between the Lord “I AM” (now the King who became the Christ) and the remnants of the house of Israel and the house of Judah after Christ’s return and after He binds Satan and gathers… “The remnant of Israel!”

“...I will bring them from the north country,
And gather them from the ends of the earth,
Among them the blind and the lame,
The woman with child
And the one who labors with child, together;
A great throng shall return there.
They shall come with weeping,
And with supplications I will lead them.
I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters,
In a straight way in which they shall not stumble;
For I [the Lord “I AM” Word of God who became the Christ] am a Father to Israel,
And Ephraim is My firstborn.”
Jeremiah 31: 7-9

For the above is not referring to God’s elect (children of God) who have overcome till the end in a world ruled by Satan and are gathered (those who were asleep and those alive who are changed) to meet the Lord in the air at His coming.
1 Thessalonians 4: 15-17 , 1 Corinthians 15: 51-53
 
You mean to tell me you do not know what are the consequences for Christians who continue not resting from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset? Because if you do not know the consequences you should not be teaching Christians that they are required to do this. I can tell you the consequences of Christians who continue to murder. I don't need to say, but Jesus "knows the hearts".
There will be murderers in heaven, David murdered and he will be saved.

God said .... Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

I know that those that refuse to surrender there hearts to Jesus and continue to sin when God has convicted them, will be found wanting. But when it comes to judging the individuals heart, I can not do that. If you think you have the right to judge, then you really need to consider your rights as a fallen sinner.

I will say that to transgress the law of God is a sin. And the sabbath is the forth commandment in the law.
So to not remember the sabbath is a sin when you know better.

Salvation isn't earned by doing things because then we can say we gained it by works.
Salvation is by faith alone but true faith will be revealed in the actions and fruits.

Your question should not be asked because as fallen sinful people we can not judge who will be saved.

By people's fruits we will know them. By their fruits we can understand where they stand. But judgement is for Jesus alone..

I know what the consequences will be for those that willfully transgress the law of God. And I know that the sabbath commandment is one of the laws that we will be judged by.
So I encourage people to follow the law.

I can know what is sin... but I can not judge who is going to heaven or not.
The final judgement is for Jesus.

Transgressing the sabbath commandment is a sin..

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
 
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What particular animal do you sacrifice for an instance in which you do sin? Are you not aware that if you do not keep the entire law with perfection you are guilty of breaking ALL of it? That, is in the Bible so you can follow up and hopefully come to the understanding Jesus died in your place BECAUSE the law is perfect and none of us can keep it

None of us can keep it you say.... Jesus did. He is our example.
I don't claim perfection but I do believe that by faith, I can have total victory over sin. The closer I come to Jesus the more wretched and poor I see myself, so i will not say i have reached perfection. But if i aim low thats all ill reach. But I believe that Jesus can me to the uttermost..

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

He didn't come to save us from half of our sin or to save us from part of our problems, or to partially restore the image of God in us....
NO To save us completely from sin.
REDEMPTION IS MORE then just forgiveness of our past guilt. Redemption is also power to overcome sin.

If you say "no one can keep the law," you are saying exactly what the devil is telling the world and promoting his deception. You are setting the standard low.

Does God give us a standard that we can not keep. Does God ask us to do something we can not do?

By our own power we will fail. BUT... God has promised to give us the victory and by faith in the all powerful Lord we can do all things...

Phi 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

2Ti 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

MAY BE PERFECT ....

1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

I agree that Christ is our righteousness..
His righteousness is our ticket to heaven.

But the Bible is clear that Christ also wants us to be like Christ and follow Him.
That Christ will work in us to be overcomers and to gain the victory.

Do you have faith in Jesus to gain the victory over sin in you... or are you promoting that God can't do it.

When you say we can't have total victory you are making provisions for the flesh...

Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

I have faith that I can do all things (give up every known sin) through Christ who strengthens me.

I can do nothing without Christ and my righteousness is as filthy rags so I am not saying "I" can do this myself, but I know that the Lord promises this to those that believe in Him.
 
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