Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

I will put My fear in their hearts, so that they will never turn away from Me. from Jeremiah 32 v 40

 

[rogerg]

This verse does not support regeneration before the personal act of faith.

Christ Jesus is clearly making a descriptive statement about the Holy spirit and not ordo salutis.

In all your other proof texts which you are cherry picking to support "regeneration prior to belief" it has been clearly shown that they do not have "initial act of faith" in view but the faith of the person who has he Holy Spirit indwelling in them.


You are conflating initial faith from the faith of the person who is a believer, again these proof texts have been shown many times to not support your false soteriology.





After a post like that to claim you are not a Calvinist.

I'm not going to waste my time and effort debating/explaining all of this with you again as I have done so repeatedly in the past and have proven you wrong. The purpose of my response now is to go on record to make known that what you've stated above is completely and totally wrong.

 

[Magenta]

When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ.

Food for thought for those who care about truth.

 

[Rufus]

Kroogz said:
Were you humble or proud when you received Grace?

@Rufus ~~~Both!

You FWers are terminally stuck on stupid! You keep asking the same question over and over. What part of Christ's Federal Headship of His Father's chosen people can't you understand? What part of Jesus' mild, meek, lowly and humble persona can't you understand?

 

[rogerg]

Nope. Wrong as usual. A shameful yet perpetual feature of the Calvinist.
The Isaiah 6 context is readily available.....if you care to actually do the bare minimum study required.
Such as backing up a chapter and discovering and understanding the dynamics, rather than regurgitating dumbed-down Calvinist dogma.

Israel CHOSE to abandon/ignore/deny God and His statues, laws and principles, WILLFULLY breaking the covenant. Consequences followed.

[Isa 5:5 KJV]
And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; [and] break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:

[Isa 5:6 KJV]
And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

[Isa 5:7 KJV]
For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts [is] the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

[Isa 5:13 KJV]
Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because [they have] no knowledge: and their honourable men [are] famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst.

[Isa 5:14 KJV]
Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

[Isa 5:24 KJV]
Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, [so] their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

[Isa 5:25 KJV]
Therefore is the anger of the LORD kindled against his people, and he hath stretched forth his hand against them, and hath smitten them: and the hills did tremble, and their carcases [were] torn in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand [is] stretched out still.

Thanks. I humbly accept your disagreement with me as a badge of honor, and which I will wear proudly.
But just so that you know, the verses you chose above were under and pertaining to the Old Covenant, not the New Covenant.
I've mentioned this to you multiple times in the past but for some reason you just aren't able to grasp or retain it.
Your replies would be much, much, better if you tried to remember that before posting.

 

[Rufus]

Translation?
Many are saved, but few are chosen.
Few chosen to reign with Christ.

You see in Romans 8:30, that to be called?
Means to be saved!

And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; ​

those he justified, he also glorified. Romans 8:30​

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To be "called?"
Romans 8:30, they were saved according to what that verse tells us!

Many are called? = Many are saved!

But, only a few of the saved? They will qualify to reign with Christ! = Chosen.

Many take the broad and wide way that leads to the destruction of their spiritual lives.
Only a few will find the life more abundantly that Jesus died to give us all.
Only a few will find it. And these few will reign with Christ, not just be saved.

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road
that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But strait is the gate
and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Matthew 7:13-14

Broad and wide = thousands of closed minded denominations.

Strait and narrow = Independent, exegetical pastors, leading churches.

Few find it.

If that were the case then the first group who rejected the outward call of the Gospel in Lk 14 all wound up at the banquet in spite of their willful rejection, which would make Jesus a clueless wonder and you a worldly wise man.

 

[Solitude]

 

[Rufus]

Thanks. I humbly accept your disagreement with me as a badge of honor, and which I will wear proudly.
But just so that you know, the verses you chose above were under and pertaining to the Old Covenant, not the New Covenant.
I've mentioned this to you multiple times in the past but for some reason you just aren't able to grasp or retain it.
Your replies would be much, much, better if you tried to remember that before posting.

The unconditional, unilateral New Covenant is no small fly in FWT! FWers, it seems, think the New Covenant is merely a slightly modified version of the conditional Old Covenant.

 

[Magenta]

You FWers are terminally stuck on stupid! You keep asking the same question over and over.
What part of Christ's Federal Headship of His Father's chosen people can't you understand?
What part of Jesus' mild, meek, lowly and humble persona can't you understand?

They are immune to instruction and correction.

 

[cv5]

Thanks. I humbly accept your disagreement with me as a badge of honor, and which I will wear proudly.
But just so that you know, the verses you chose above were under and pertaining to the Old Testament, not the New Covenant.
I've mentioned this to you multiple times in the past but for some reason you just aren't able to grasp or retain it.
Your replies would be much, much, better if you tried to remember that before posting.

I see that you have failed to rightly understand that salvation by grace through faith is as valid a salvific principle of the Old Covenant as it is in the New Covenant.

Such a failure regarding the most basic principles of Scripture is entirely predictable when you are dealing with a Calvinist.

 

[HeIsHere]

I'm not going to waste my time and effort debating/explaining all of this with you again as I have done so repeatedly in the past and have proven you wrong. The purpose of my response now is to go on record to make known that what you've stated above is completely and totally wrong.

Regeneration never precedes personal initial saving faith in scripture.

You biblical method of interpretation is one of insinuation onto passages an yet there are clear passages which show your insinuation to be false.

This being one and there are many more!!!


Ephesians 1:13

“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…”

Does not state gifted belief or given belief by God!

No regeneration prior to belief.

Your soteriology is false.

 

[Magenta]

For those men who love witch hunting and projecting their perverted male fantasies onto Christian women
whom they seek to blame for countless things they are not responsible for, such as seeing any beautiful
woman as being seductive, they could take better care of their helplessness in the face of their
addictions by going into the settings of their browsers to turn images off, if such images burn your eyes.
I know some will come up with all kinds of complaints and excuses why they should not do this and I
also understand some would desire to do this to further condemn me as they have done for days now,
if not longer, trying to blame me for their own delusions and inability to control their lusts, because
speaking out of both sides of their mouths with their split tongue is a very common tactic for them.

 

[Cameron143]

Regeneration never precedes personal initial saving faith in scripture.

You biblical method of interpretation is one of insinuation onto passages an yet there are clear passages which show your insinuation to be false.

This being one and there are many more!!!


Ephesians 1:13

“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…”

Does not state gifted belief or given belief by God!

No regeneration prior to belief.

Your soteriology is false.

You confuse Ephesians 1:13 with 1 Corinthians 12:13. The first is a seal and outward in expression. The latter is inward and nonexperiential.

 

[HeIsHere]

You confuse Ephesians 1:13 with 1 Corinthians 12:13. The first is a seal and outward in expression. The latter is inward and nonexperiential.

Wut?

 

[Magenta]

You confuse Ephesians 1:13 with 1 Corinthians 12:13. The first is a seal and outward in expression. The latter is inward and nonexperiential.

Anyone who denies election as she and other free willers love to do will never acknowledge the ordo salutis as given in Scripture.

They would have to give up giving themselves credit for what God has done.

 

[Solitude]

 

[HeIsHere]

Oops seems Paul forgot to mention regeneration preceding belief...

1 Timothy 1:16

“But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

First…those who would believe in him
Then…may receive eternal life.”

 

[Cameron143]

Wut?

They aren't the same thing. One is performed by Christ and the other by the Spirit.

 

[rogerg]

I see that you have failed to rightly understand that salvation by grace through faith is as valid a salvific principle of the Old Covenant as it is in the New Covenant.

Such a failure regarding the most basic principles of Scripture is entirely predictable when you are dealing with a Calvinist.

Yes, it is, but not with the verses you posted. Those verses pertained to the Old Covenant. Anywhere choice or action is required of a recipient to either obtain or retain it, that makes it the worldly Old Covenant. Under the heavenly New Covenant, God, through Christ, achieved and satisfied all requirements. What being a Christian means is that through God, you rest in Christ's perfectly and fully completed work, not in man's.

 

[HeIsHere]

They aren't the same thing. One is performed by Christ and the other by the Spirit.

All those levels .. how complicated Reformed theology becomes in order to make itself look convincing.