At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?

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There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism. Ephesians 4:4-5​
How many baptisms are we to have in the Church age?
Water baptism? And Spirit baptism?

Two baptisms?

One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
Mistakes have been made.
The Catholic Church believes many mistakes that they derived from Scripture wrongly.


Mistakes happened and became tradition.

In Christ.... Grace and peace!
The one baptism would be the one baptism that is by the authority of God (Mt. 28:19; Acts 2:38; 1 Cor. 12:13) by which all in the world who desire to find rest in Jesus Christ can submit to by God’s authority (Mk. 16:15-16; Mt. 28:19; Acts 2:38). This baptism is water baptism for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38, 10:47-48, etc).
 
Sure, we all make mistakes, but his Spirit inspired message on Pentecost wasn’t.

Peter never said baptized in water for the remission of sins.
Simply, "baptized."
God knew it was Spirit baptism, and knew that some would figure it out by grace.

Acts 3:28
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Peter did not say water baptized.

While God understood it more like this...

1 Corinthians 10:2
They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
And?
They were baptized into the name of Jesus Christ.
The word 'name' in those days could refer to the actual person.

Here is a little help from AI on this subject...

In historical contexts, the word 'name' often referred not just to the label by which someone is called,
but also to the identity and reputation of the person.
That was what they needed to be baptized into-in order to KNOW JESUS!
Water could never convey that knowledge.


grace and peace.....
 
Why would they not have understood what Jesus meant when he told them to preach the gospel..make disciples…how were they do to that?

Many things Jesus told the disciples they did not understand until after the Church age began.

Jesus' disciples often struggled to understand his teachings during his ministry, and many of these insights became clearer to them after the Church age began, particularly following the events of Pentecost. This transition marked a significant moment when the Holy Spirit empowered them to grasp and spread the message of Jesus more fully.

It all took time to develop...
 
Peter never said baptized in water for the remission of sins.
Simply, "baptized."
God knew it was Spirit baptism, and knew that some would figure it out by grace.

Acts 3:28
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Peter did not say water baptized.

While God understood it more like this...

1 Corinthians 10:2
They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
And?
They were baptized into the name of Jesus Christ.
The word 'name' in those days could refer to the actual person.

Here is a little help from AI on this subject...

In historical contexts, the word 'name' often referred not just to the label by which someone is called,
but also to the identity and reputation of the person.
That was what they needed to be baptized into-in order to KNOW JESUS!
Water could never convey that knowledge.


grace and peace.....
Since no man can command the Spirit to baptize someone (as Christ was the administer of that - Mt. 3:11), then the baptism Peter commanded was not the baptism of the Spirit, but water, as the baptism that man can administer and command by the authority of Christ is water baptism (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 10:47-48; Acts 22:16). No man can command Holy Spirit baptism, and Jesus commanded man to baptize. Since no man can command Spirit baptism, and since Jesus commanded man to baptize, then the baptism for all is water baptism for the remission of sins.
 
The one baptism would be the one baptism that is by the authority of God (Mt. 28:19; Acts 2:38; 1 Cor. 12:13) by which all in the world who desire to find rest in Jesus Christ can submit to by God’s authority (Mk. 16:15-16; Mt. 28:19; Acts 2:38). This baptism is water baptism for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38, 10:47-48, etc).
OK.

It should read.... One Lord, one faith, two baptisms.
 
Many things Jesus told the disciples they did not understand until after the Church age began.

Jesus' disciples often struggled to understand his teachings during his ministry, and many of these insights became clearer to them after the Church age began, particularly following the events of Pentecost. This transition marked a significant moment when the Holy Spirit empowered them to grasp and spread the message of Jesus more fully.

It all took time to develop...
They understood. That’s why they obeyed what Jesus said for them to do beginning in Jerusalem
 
Since no man can command the Spirit to baptize someone (as Christ was the administer of that - Mt. 3:11), then the baptism Peter commanded was not the baptism of the Spirit, but water, as the baptism that man can administer and command by the authority of Christ is water baptism (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 10:47-48; Acts 22:16). No man can command Holy Spirit baptism, and Jesus commanded man to baptize. Since no man can command Spirit baptism, and since Jesus commanded man to baptize, then the baptism for all is water baptism for the remission of sins.

Acts 11:16 (it took a while since Pentecost)
Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water,
but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Peter did not remember that in Acts 2!
Peter said those words in Acts 11:16!
HE FINALLY REMEMBERED WHAT THE HAD LORD TOLD HIM.


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One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

No spirit baptism? Only water?

Even John the Baptist understood!

“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I,
whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.


Matthew 3:11
 
Acts 11:16 (it took a while since Pentecost)
Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water,
but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Peter did not remember that in Acts 2!
Peter said those words in Acts 11:16!
HE FINALLY REMEMBERED WHAT THE LORD TOLD HIM.


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When the Gentiles began speaking in tongues, that event reminded Peter of what the Lord told to him and the rest of the apostles. That they (the apostles) were to be Holy Spirit baptized.
 
No spirit baptism? Only water?

Even John the Baptist understood!

“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I,
whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.


Matthew 3:11
When John mentioned the baptism of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 3: 11), he was addressing the multitude as a whole, but when Jesus uttered the promise of this verse he was talking to his apostles. Jesus told the apostles “And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high” (Luke 24:49). This explains Acts 1:4-5 “And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
 
When the Gentiles began speaking in tongues, that event reminded Peter of what the Lord told to him and the rest of the apostles. That they (the apostles) were to be Holy Spirit baptized.

One Lord. One faith... One....... :unsure: Only one?​
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No man can baptize someone in the Spirit, and no man can command Spirit baptism when they believe.
Jesus did not use the words to command them to be water baptized.
Show us where he did?

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

That was all he said. To believe was to become baptized. Baptized in the Spirit.
 
Jesus did not use the words to command them to be water baptized.
Show us where he did?

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

That was all he said. To believe was to become baptized. Baptized in the Spirit.
When he told the apostles to baptize (and to teach others, Matthew 28:18-20), what was it if not a command? And what baptism can man then and now administer and command by the authority of Jesus? Jesus didn’t say when you believe you are baptized. Jesus said believe and be baptized. And he told that to his apostles, and told them to baptize. Men cannot administer baptism in the Spirit. Christ did. If that was Spirit baptism, then why would He tell them to baptize people in a way they couldn’t? He wouldn’t. That’s how the baptism He told His apostles to administer is water baptism.
 
You rarely give any scripture that backs up what you teach. God says that whatever you do in word ( teach) or deed ( practice) do it all by the authority of the Lord. Some of what you teach is Bible based; some is not. The Bible portrays hell as a place of eternal punishment. It does not teach that everyone will have a “second chance” to be saved. It does not teach “universal salvation.”
Rev. 20:10-“ They will be tormented day and night FOREVER AND EVER.”

GOD says to “test” or “try” the spirits because there are many FALSE SPIRITS that are in the world. You attribute everything to the Holy Spirit of God, but what you described does not sound like God’s Spirit to me. And just because you think so, does not make it true.

Satan has “spirits” also and God has given him some power. His job is to DECEIVE the world. . 2 Thessalonians 2:9 - “…according to the working of Satan with all power, signs, and lying wonders and with …deception…” because they do not love the TRUTH. God will send them a STRONG DELUSION that they might believe a LIE!. Rev. 13:13 - Satan can perform great signs; he can even make fire cone down from heaven and he deceives people with these “signs.” I do not believe the Holy Spirit acts in such a way as you have described.

The Holy Spirit tells us we need to “learn” not to go beyond the things that are written. 1 Cor. 4:6. In other words, God says we must have authority from God for what we say and do. God has not left it up to us to decide on our own what is right—He is the ONLY one who has the authority to do that.

The Bible does not contradict itself! Your interpretation of a passage must HARMONIZE with all of the rest of the Bible, or you have misinterpreted the passage.

The Bible has many, many, warnings about false teachers, who teach the commandments of men, not God, and false, deceptive “spirits”—HE says MANY are in the world. So how do you know that was the Holy Spirit from God? Just because you “feel” or “think” that it was is not proof. And you can’t expect us to believe it just because you say so.

Saul of Tarsus in Acts 9 was very sincere in persecuting God’s people. But he was SINCERELY WRONG! Sincerity is not proof of truth. The only way to prove what is right is by what God has said, and what the Holy Spirit has written in the Bible. Anything more or less is “building your house on sinking sand.” Jesus said, every plant that my Heavenly Father has not planted shall be rooted up.”

Here's a few verses for you and a line of reason that makes sense...

The prevailing narrative and doctrinal dogma have poisoned many minds to where they can't see the obvious...Meism Salvation vs Christ Alone Salvation; no Greek qualifiers of our feckless faith to rest our Salvation on...just the sure Promise of a Covenantal Father the Hebrew speaks of.

Atonement = Justification

Romans 5:10–11 – “For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more… we shall be saved by His life.”

Romans 3:24–25 – “and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by His blood.”

Romans 8:30 – “And those He predestined He also called; those He called He also justified; those He justified He also glorified.”

2 Corinthians 5:18–19 – “All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to Himself… in Christ God was reconciling the world to Himself.”

What do we do with "those He Justified He Also Glorified"?

This is His eternal plan of Salvation to redeem ALL His children (image of God) that the enemy corrupted...eternal destruction/damnation is a Greek construct...the Hebraic view is that eternity is beyond 'our view" (not His) and that God punishes and exiles with the ultimate view of reconciliation..."those He Justified He Also Glorified" God guarantees it!

The Greek NT teaches a "me centric" Salvation. Christ plus my faith, my belief, my loyalty and you better not falter in your faith or die having engaged in a sinful act, because your entire salvation is in jeopardy.

The New Covenant was given because we are faithless..but God is Faithfull.

The Hebraic Gospel is about Gods Faithfulness as our Kinsman Redeemer and His Gift of making peace by way of His Atoning death on the cross.

Greek = me centric salvation
Hebraic = Christ Covenantal Salvation

This is what is going on...one view is a me centric Salvation that is mine to keep and not screw up and the other is Guaranteed by Gods Blood and Faithful Covenantal Love.

There's plenty of evidence the NT was written in Hebrew originally and then translated into Greek. The entire NT is rife in Hebraisms, idioms, chiasms, puns ect.

The fact that the Greek and English translation gets the verse below completely wrong and the Hebrew gets it right should tell you one is a translation of the other; unless you genuinely think what you read in the English translated from the Greek is what Jesus really meant.

Mathew 23:1-3

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

In the Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts this verse says "to do whatever Moses says to do" You get a skewed wrong idea from the Greek here wouldn't you say? AND you get what Christ actually said in the Hebrew.

Hebraic worldview: Concrete, relational, covenantal.
Greek worldview: Abstract, juridical, metaphysical.

The Greek for instance in John 1 says the Word, the Word, the Word (abstract), whereas the Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts say the Son, the Son, the Son (Covenantal).

Greek emphasizes my faith, my covenantal loyalty and so that my Salvation hinges on my faithfulness...whereas the Hebraic view is the opposite...it emphasizes God's Faithfulness, His Covenantal loyalty who acted on our behalf (ALONE) as our Kinsman Redeemer.

Western Greekyness just loves having "you" be the qualifier to receive "your Salvation" whereas the Hebraic view has "our Salvation" guaranteed by the qualified Life of Messiah.

Rest in what He Alone has accomplished at the cross...Atonement for ungodly men (Justified) with the Promise of a God Who CAN NOT lie..."those HE justified He will glorify"...no Greeky meism qualifiers that people love so much...