At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?

[Genez]

If anyone preached a different way to receive the remission of sins, they’d be accursed, as the gospel of Christ is good news of how to be saved by Christ and in Christ. Peter wouldn’t have taught differently in Acts 11 than in Acts 2 about how to have the remission of sins. He wouldn’t have taught differently than Paul, and Paul wouldn’t have taught differently than Peter or they’d both be accursed (Gal. 1:6-9). Whatever one taught in harmony with Christ concerning salvation and doctrine, the other did.

Water baptism was not the Gospel.
Water baptism was symbolism pertaining to the death, burial, and resurrection.
No one could know what the symbolism meant prior to the cross, other than showing a desire to be in right standing with God.

 

[Blue155]

Do you think Peter was taught the mystery doctrines of the Church instantly, and by osmosis?

Peter in the early days was an example of how baby Christians must go through a learning curve, learning to shed old ways and taking on the new way.

Peter was coming out of Judaism.
He at the beginning had much to learn yet.

Ahh..you are what’s consider Mid-Acts dispensationalist who believe Peter taught another gospel than Paul, thinking Acts 2:38..water baptism is for Jews and not for Gentiles.

 

[Blue155]

Water baptism was not the Gospel.
Water baptism was symbolism pertaining to the death, burial, and resurrection.
No one could know what the symbolism meant prior to the cross, other than showing a desire to be in right standing with God.

The gospel is the good news of how to be saved by Jesus. Jesus commanded baptism for the remission of sins for all the world after His resurrection (Mt. 28; Mk. 16), beginning in Jerusalem (Lk. 24). Not just for Jews, but for the world.

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

The gospel is the good news of how to be saved by Jesus. Jesus commanded baptism for the remission of sins for all the world after His resurrection (Mt. 28; Mk. 16), beginning in Jerusalem (Lk. 24). Not just for Jews, but for the world.

But brother, actual water baptism isn't required for SALVATION, is it?!

 

[Blue155]

But brother, actual water baptism isn't required for SALVATION, is it?!

water baptism for the remission of sins is required by the authority of Jesus per Acts 2:38

 

[Blue155]

Water baptism for the remission of sins is required for salvation just as much as belief, repentance, and confessing He’s Lord and the Son of God.

 

[Genez]

Ahh..you are what’s consider Mid-Acts dispensationalist who believe Peter taught another gospel than Paul, thinking Acts 2:38..water baptism is for Jews and not for Gentiles.

Peter even refused to eat non-kosher after the Lord had commanded him to. Acts 10:9-16

In the following days after Pentecost, Peter was needing to shed his Jewish ways of thinking for the living in the new church age.

grace and peace ............

 

[Genez]

The gospel is the good news of how to be saved by Jesus. Jesus commanded baptism for the remission of sins for all the world after His resurrection (Mt. 28; Mk. 16), beginning in Jerusalem (Lk. 24). Not just for Jews, but for the world.

You gave only chapters.
Not chapter and verses.

Mind trying again, please?

 

[Beckworth]

Matthew 26:27-28 was a record of what was said to Jews who were still living under the Law.

Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, ​

“Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out ​

for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:27-28​

And...

Peter in Acts 2:38?
At that point Peter had no New Testament doctrine yet to think with.
For he still thought and acted, as he had as a Jew, before the cross took place.

We see that later on Peter finally recalling the words of the risen Jesu that Jesus spoke in Acts 1:5.
That was when Peter finally realized that water baptism was to be replaced by Spirit baptism.

Soon after Jesus was risen... (Not yet ascended to heaven) Jesus spoke with the disciples.

On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: ​

“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you ​

have heard me speak about. For John baptized with water, but in a few days ​

you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5​

Did Peter remember those words in when he spoke in Acts 2:38? ...... NO!

Did not remember until all the way over in Acts 11:16!

That is when Peter finally recalled those words of Jesus!
Then causing Peter to realize that the old way - water baptism - was to now being replaced by Spirit baptism!

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“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. ​

Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be ​

baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ Acts 11:15-16​

Missing these details is why so many Christians are failing to understand, what they do have become the traditions of man, not God's way.

Just read it and think.

The prophets Isaiah, Micah, Joel, and Daniel all prophesied that God would establish His kingdom in Jerusalem. That dream that Nebuchadnezzar had about the image in Daniel 2, represented future kingdoms of men. The “feet” of the image represented the Roman Empire. A stone was cut out of the mountain and it struck the image in the feet and broke them all to pieces. The wind blew the pieces of the image away and it was no more; but the “stone” became a great mountain and filled the whole earth and all nations flowed to it. Daniel says in the days of THESE KINGS— which ones? The “feet “ of the image represented the Roman Empire— in those days God would set up a kingdom that would never be destroyed. The little stone that became a great mountain was a kingdom—not of men, but from God.

Joel said, “In those days I ( God) will pour out my Spirit…..and whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved….. For in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance.” This is a prophecy about the coming of the KINGDOM OF GOD. It was to begin in Jerusalem during the reign of the Roman Empire. And this was a “sign”—God would pour out His Spirit. This was fulfilled in Acts 2. I know this is the fulfillment of These prophecies because in his sermon in Acts 2, Peter says that what is happening there that day “..is what was spoken by the prophet Joel.” Verse 16; then in verses 17-21 Peter quotes exactly what Joel said in the Old Testament. This was a very important event and God made sure they could know the Kingdom of God was being established by the “markers” He gave to identify it: 1) it was to be in Jerusalem; 2) all nations would flow into it; Jews from every nation were there that day and 3000 were baptized ( by water) into The Kingdom of God; and 3) God poured out His Spirit on the apostles. There is absolutely nothing in the Old Testament prophecies nor in the nNew Testament about God replacing water baptism with Spirit baptism. That was not the purpose of the Holy Spirit being poured out that day. It was a sign that certain Old Testament prophecies were coming true; being fulfilled.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that spirit baptism saves anyone. That was not the purpose of that baptism. It was used as a sign of God’s approval; both in Acts 2 on the Jews and again in Acts 10 on the gentiles. That’s why in Acts 10, after Cornelius and his house received the Holy Spirit, Peter commanded them to be baptized ( in water). Peter has already told us that in water baptism we receive the remission of sins. Nothing has changed from Acts 2 to Acts 10. Water baptism is still for the remission of sins in Acts 10. Peter does not contradict himself—saying one thing saves in Acts 2 and something different saves in Acts 10. No. How could we believe the Bible if people are not saved the same way in both chapters?

Actsc8 also testifies to the fact that people are NOT saved by Holy Spirit baptism. Verse 12 says the people in Samaria “believed” and were “baptized”, exactly what Jesus said saves you in Mark 16:16 and there was great rejoicing in that city. Why? Because people were being saved Mark 16:16 per Jesus. But they did not receive the Holy Spirit until verse 17 when Peter and John came from Jerusalem and laid their hands on them. Even then, they did not get the Spirit in a “baptism” but by the laying on of the hands of the apostles. So these people were saved WITHOUT THE BAPTISM of THE HOLY SPIRIT.

So, no, Holy Spirit baptism did not replace water baptism. That was never its purpose in the first place. .

 

[Genez]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that spirit baptism saves anyone.

I do not believe I ever said that Spirit baptism saves.

The ones who were saved were to receive Spirit baptism.
Not to receive Spirit baptism to be saved.

 

[Blue155]

Peter even refused to eat non-kosher after the Lord had commanded him to. Acts 10:9-16

In the following days after Pentecost, Peter was needing to shed his Jewish ways of thinking for the living in the new church age.

grace and peace ............

That doesn’t prove he was in error on how one should receive the remission of sins, as the Spirit gave him utterance (Acts 2:4) and his message of how to receive the remission of sins was Spirit inspired.

 

[Genez]

Ahh..you are what’s consider Mid-Acts dispensationalist who believe Peter taught another gospel than Paul, thinking Acts 2:38..water baptism is for Jews and not for Gentiles.

No....

 

[Blue155]

You gave only chapters.
Not chapter and verses.

Mind trying again, please?

Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:16; Luke 24:47

 

[Genez]

That doesn’t prove he was in error on how to receive the remission of sins, as the Spirit gave him utterance (Acts 2:4) and his message of how to receive the remission of sins was Spirit inspired.

Come on now...

When the Thief on the cross believed in Jesus?
He automatically received the remission of sins.

It is a new way with believing in Christ.

 

[Genez]

That doesn’t prove he was in error on how one should receive the remission of sins, as the Spirit gave him utterance (Acts 2:4) and his message of how to receive the remission of sins was Spirit inspired.

Peter in the early days made mistakes.

Without realizing it, the people were baptized in the Spirit, but Peter intended water baptism.

 

[Blue155]

Peter in the early days made mistakes.

Sure, we all make mistakes, but his Spirit inspired message on Pentecost wasn’t.

 

[Blue155]

Without realizing it, the people were baptized in the Spirit, but Peter intended water baptism.

On Pentecost, the apostles were baptized in the Spirit (Acts 2:1-4; Luke 24:49; cf. Acts 1:1-8). Peter commanded the baptism Christ commanded man to administer (Mark 16:16) by the Spirit’s revelation (Acts 2:4, 38).

 

[Genez]

On Pentecost, the apostles were baptized in the Spirit (Acts 2:1-4; Luke 24:49; cf. Acts 1:1-8). Peter commanded the baptism Christ commanded man to administer (Mark 16:16) by the Spirit’s revelation (Acts 2:4, 38).

Jesus knew that later they would come to understand what he meant.

For example? Mark 16:16

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, ​

but whoever does not believe will be condemned.​

You mean to tell me that someone on their deathbed who believes in Jesus Christ?
He will not be saved if not water baptized???

That person on their deathbed was automatically baptized in the Spirit when he believed.


We need to think these things trough....

Do you believe we are not baptized by the Spirit today?
Look here!

For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—​

And all were made to drink of one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13​

grace and peace ................

 

[Genez]

On Pentecost, the apostles were baptized in the Spirit (Acts 2:1-4; Luke 24:49; cf. Acts 1:1-8). Peter commanded the baptism Christ commanded man to administer (Mark 16:16) by the Spirit’s revelation (Acts 2:4, 38).

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;​

One Lord, one faith, one baptism. Ephesians 4:4-5​

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How many baptisms are we to have in the Church age?
Water baptism? And Spirit baptism?

Two baptisms?

One Lord, one faith, one baptism. ​

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Mistakes have been made.
The Catholic Church believes many mistakes that they derived from Scripture wrongly.

Mistakes happened and became tradition.

In Christ.... Grace and peace!

 

[Blue155]

Jesus knew that later they would come to understand what he meant.

For example? Mark 16:16

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, ​

but whoever does not believe will be condemned.​

You mean to tell me that someone on their deathbed who believes in Jesus Christ?
He will not be saved if not water baptized???

That person on their deathbed was automatically baptized in the Spirit when he believed.


We need to think these things trough....

Do you believe we are not baptized by the Spirit today?
Look here!

For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—​

And all were made to drink of one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13​

grace and peace ................

Why would they not have understood what Jesus meant when he told them to preach the gospel..make disciples…how were they do to that? By preaching the gospel and baptizing them…then they were told to teach (Mt. 28:18-20; Mark 16:15-16).

Concerning your deathbed question, Paul said now is the day of salvation (2 Cor. 6:2). I would ask why they’d wait that long to obey the gospel (2 Thess. 1:8) when they had opportunities everyday to. The very question can be asked about when someone is on their deathbed and they haven’t believed the gospel. I can only go by what scriptures say. Scripture says one must repent and be baptized for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38). Scripture also says God cannot lie (Titus 1:2; cf. Heb. 6:18). So, if a person has not repented and is not baptized for the remission of sins by the authority of Christ, and since God cannot lie, then sadly the person died without having the remission of sins by the blood of Christ (Mt. 26:28; Acts 2:38)

Concerning 1 Corinthians 12:13, how did the Corinthians know to be baptized? Paul, revealed the need for them to be immersed (Acts 18:8) as he preached to them through means of the Holy Spirit. He spoke words influenced by the Holy Spirit.. It was by this authority that we read they were “all baptized into one body”.
The Holy Spirit was the acting agent that revealed the word and we learn to be saved through the inspired scriptures (John 17:17; 2 Tim. 3:15). In Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus commanded baptism, “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”.

“In the name of” — By the authority of “the Father and of the Son…”

“and of the Holy Spirit” — It’s by the authority of the Spirit that baptism is commanded.

“baptized into one body” — It’s by the authority of the Spirit that we are baptized into one body

This is in perfect harmony in Acts 2:38 and 47. Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:47 “the Lord added to the church”

Baptized into one body. The Lord adds you to the church.

The church is the body per Col. 1:18, 24, Eph. 1:22-23.

1 Cor. 12:13 is talking about water baptism. It’s by the authority of God (Matthew 28:19) to which it is commanded.

All three members of the Godhead commanded it.