The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[GWH]

why do you pick on the fourth and remove it? is it because you do not like it personally? are we allowed to choose which commandments we keep and which we ignore? Jesus never gave anyone that right.

Jesus honoured the Sabbath and kept it. It was His custom to be in the synagogue on the Sabbath (Luke 4:16). He taught that doing good on the Sabbath is lawful (Matthew 12:12). He said He is Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8). Paul also kept the Sabbath many times when teaching both Jews and Gentiles (Acts 13:42–44, Acts 17:2). There is no verse that says the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments cannot be kept. There is no verse where Jesus cancels it.

There are many different sabbaths in the law of Moses. These are yearly feast days and special rest days. Paul spoke of these extra sabbaths in his letters (Colossians 2:16), but these are not the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. The fourth commandment comes from creation itself (Genesis 2:2–3) and was written by God’s own hand on stone.

The Ten Commandments are one single unit, the Covenant. God said, “He declared to you His covenant, the Ten Commandments, and wrote them on two tablets of stone” (Deuteronomy 4:13). No one can change them, touch them, or reduce them. They are permanent and eternal because they reveal God’s character. These commandments were placed inside the ark of the covenant (Deuteronomy 10:1–5). The other sabbaths and laws of Moses were written by Moses and placed beside the ark, not inside (Deuteronomy 31:24–26). This shows the difference in authority.

So removing the fourth commandment breaks the unity of God’s covenant. Jesus kept it, His disciples kept it, and nothing in Scripture gives permission to erase it. it is clearly written in scripture that the commandments are not a burden. and that the Holy spirit will teach us all things and will help with all of these and more so we can keep the commandments.

I believe the NT removes the Sabbath law or relegates it to the category of Levitical law that Jesus fulfilled,
thereby ending it and replacing it with the eternal moral command to love God and serve the Lord every day.

Again, regarding the Sabbath Law one needs to discern the correct doctrine for Christians by considering the following:
1. The first reference to the Sabbath in the OT is found in Gen. 2:2-3, “God rested from His work and rested on the seventh day and made it holy.”
2. Moses promulgated the Sabbath law as the 4th of the Ten Commandments in Exo. 20:8-11, cf. Lev. 19:3&30, Deut. 5:12-15.
3. Other OT references to the Sabbath include 2Chron. 2:4, Isa. 56:2-6, Jer. 17:21-27 and Ezek. 20:12.

In the NT we find the following regarding the Sabbath:
1. Jesus declared that he is Lord of the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (in Matt. 12:1-12), healing a crippled woman on the Sabbath (in Luke 13:10-16).
2. If Jesus thought keeping the Sabbath was an important law, he would have affirmed it on these two occasions, but he did not specifically nullify it either, which jibes/harmonizes perfectly with Paul.
3. Paul taught that a person may rest on the Sabbath or not (in Col. 2:16, Gal. 4:9-11 & Rom. 14:5).
4. Hebrews encourages Christians to enter God’s Sabbath rest by persevering faith (in Heb. 3:7-4:11).

The primary sin per the NT is ignoring/disbelieving GRFS (Gal. 3:1-14), and secondary sins are transgression of Christ’s moral law of love (John 13:34), which summarizes the OT moral laws (Matt. 22:37-40) affirmed by the NT (Matt. 5:17-48) and calls them the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23), which does NOT include all 613 laws of Moses, such as those pertaining to mildew and infectious disease in Leviticus 14 or to the Sabbath day (per Col. 2:16-17).

Jesus fulfilled/accomplished the 613 Mosaic laws (Matt. 5:17-19) and taught that righteousness must surpass/supersede that of the Pharisees (Matt. 5:20) including Paul, to whom Jesus appeared, saying “Saul, why do you persecute me?… It is hard for you to kick against the goads… I am sending you to to open sinners’ eyes…” (Acts 22:7 & 26:14&17) Paul did just that when he preached to the folks (both Jews and Gentiles per Acts 14:1-5) in Galatia (Acts 13:49, cf. 14:1-5), encouraging them to remain true to the faith (Acts 14:22), which he reiterated in his epistle to them, beginning “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel, which is really no gospel at all…” (Gal. 1:3-9).

Paul may also have written Hebrews, which warns against not entering God’s Sabbath rest by not holding firmly until the end the confidence/faith in Christ (Heb. 3:14, 4:2). Heb. 7:11-10:1 begins as follows: “If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood, why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also… The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless, for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. Such a high priest truly meets our need… the Son, who has been made perfect forever, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven… The ministry of Jesus has received is superior to the old one [of Moses], since the NC is established on better promises… God said, ‘The days are coming when I will make a new covenant’ [Jer. 31:31-34]. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts… By calling this covenant ‘new’, he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.” In this passage the Lord says that the OC including the Sabbath Law is obsolete/abrogated by the Gospel of Christ. Need GW say more?

 

[TMS]

Show us in the NT under the new covenant where the Church, the body of Christ is obligated to keep the sabbath day. If sabbath day observance is required today for Christians, then so would the burnt offerings that went along with them.

The cerimonial law was given and added to at different times to the 10 commandments.. they are different laws.
The 10 commandments are not the same as the cerimonial laws. The cerimonial laws contained the burnt offerings but the 10 commandments did not contain burnt offerings..
One describes sin = the 10...
One is the process to deal with sin.

Don't put them in the same category...

There were sabbaths in the cerimonial laws but they are not the seventh day sabbath in the 4th commandment.

Firstly what God makes holy and sanctified is not for man to change...
Where did the holy sanctified blessing put on the seventh day sabbath get removed in the bible?

When are we told in the new Testament or in the new covenant not to obey the 4th commandment.

Jesus said that He is the Lord of the sabbath, and that the sabbath was made for man... all mankind.

Mar 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

When did Jesus stop being the Lord of the sabbath and when did the bible say it was not made for man??

Read the follow verse honestly please...

Heb 4:3-11 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

The context is talking about the seventh day rest. The rest in Jesus is entered every day, but this is talking about a specific day and gives the example of creation sabbath.

 

[TMS]

Jesus did all sorts of signs and miracles but many refused to hear Him.

The truth was lost. Because they didn't listen.

We can agree to disagree but ....

If I believe in obeying the Lord's 10 commandments by faith I can not see this as a issue with God. My motive is love.

If you believe we should not keep the law by faith it may be an issue ....

The Bible says
Mat 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Iniquity = sin, and sin is the transgression of the law... so failing to keep the sabbath is iniquity if the law has not changed..
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

You may think these are not referring to the 10 commandments, but if you are wrong and reject the 4th commandment you will not be keeping the commandments.
If I am wrong and keep the 4th commandment, I am still keeping all the commandments that you believe we should.

The 4th commandment is based in worship... who we choose to worship. God or man..

Sunday worship is man-made and Sabbath worship is God's sanctified day.

Don't say I didn't tell you..

Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

We are Israel today.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

 

[vassal]

I believe the NT removes the Sabbath law or relegates it to the category of Levitical law that Jesus fulfilled,
thereby ending it and replacing it with the eternal moral command to love God and serve the Lord every day.

Again, regarding the Sabbath Law one needs to discern the correct doctrine for Christians by considering the following:
1. The first reference to the Sabbath in the OT is found in Gen. 2:2-3, “God rested from His work and rested on the seventh day and made it holy.”
2. Moses promulgated the Sabbath law as the 4th of the Ten Commandments in Exo. 20:8-11, cf. Lev. 19:3&30, Deut. 5:12-15.
3. Other OT references to the Sabbath include 2Chron. 2:4, Isa. 56:2-6, Jer. 17:21-27 and Ezek. 20:12.

In the NT we find the following regarding the Sabbath:
1. Jesus declared that he is Lord of the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (in Matt. 12:1-12), healing a crippled woman on the Sabbath (in Luke 13:10-16).
2. If Jesus thought keeping the Sabbath was an important law, he would have affirmed it on these two occasions, but he did not specifically nullify it either, which jibes/harmonizes perfectly with Paul.
3. Paul taught that a person may rest on the Sabbath or not (in Col. 2:16, Gal. 4:9-11 & Rom. 14:5).
4. Hebrews encourages Christians to enter God’s Sabbath rest by persevering faith (in Heb. 3:7-4:11).

The primary sin per the NT is ignoring/disbelieving GRFS (Gal. 3:1-14), and secondary sins are transgression of Christ’s moral law of love (John 13:34), which summarizes the OT moral laws (Matt. 22:37-40) affirmed by the NT (Matt. 5:17-48) and calls them the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23), which does NOT include all 613 laws of Moses, such as those pertaining to mildew and infectious disease in Leviticus 14 or to the Sabbath day (per Col. 2:16-17).

Jesus fulfilled/accomplished the 613 Mosaic laws (Matt. 5:17-19) and taught that righteousness must surpass/supersede that of the Pharisees (Matt. 5:20) including Paul, to whom Jesus appeared, saying “Saul, why do you persecute me?… It is hard for you to kick against the goads… I am sending you to to open sinners’ eyes…” (Acts 22:7 & 26:14&17) Paul did just that when he preached to the folks (both Jews and Gentiles per Acts 14:1-5) in Galatia (Acts 13:49, cf. 14:1-5), encouraging them to remain true to the faith (Acts 14:22), which he reiterated in his epistle to them, beginning “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel, which is really no gospel at all…” (Gal. 1:3-9).

Paul may also have written Hebrews, which warns against not entering God’s Sabbath rest by not holding firmly until the end the confidence/faith in Christ (Heb. 3:14, 4:2). Heb. 7:11-10:1 begins as follows: “If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood, why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also… The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless, for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. Such a high priest truly meets our need… the Son, who has been made perfect forever, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven… The ministry of Jesus has received is superior to the old one [of Moses], since the NC is established on better promises… God said, ‘The days are coming when I will make a new covenant’ [Jer. 31:31-34]. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts… By calling this covenant ‘new’, he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.” In this passage the Lord says that the OC including the Sabbath Law is obsolete/abrogated by the Gospel of Christ. Need GW say more?

Your whole argument collapses for one simple reason. Jesus never removed the fourth commandment, never hinted at removing it, and never told anyone to stop keeping it. Everything else you wrote is built on human reasoning, not on the words of God or the words of Jesus whowas given all authority in Heaven and on Earth.

Let us be clear and simple. The Sabbath existed before Moses, in creation itself. God blessed and sanctified the seventh day when no Jew existed (Genesis 2:2–3). When God gave the Ten Commandments, He did not attach the Sabbath to the Levitical priesthood. He placed it in the same eternal covenant as “You shall not murder” and “You shall not commit adultery” (Exodus 20:8–11). God said the Ten Commandments are His covenant (Deuteronomy 4:13). Nothing in this covenant is temporary.
Jesus did not remove the Sabbath. He kept it every week (Luke 4:16). He taught people how to keep it correctly (Matthew 12:12). He never said, “The Sabbath is ending.” He never said, “This commandment will pass away.” He said the opposite: not one part of the law would pass till heaven and earth pass away (Matthew 5:18). Heaven and earth still stand.

You say Jesus didn’t “affirm it,” but He affirmed it by living it. Teaching by example is the strongest confirmation.
The verses you use from Paul refer to the extra sabbaths of the law of Moses like I explained. These were yearly festival days, not the weekly Sabbath of the fourth commandment. The proof is simple: Paul himself kept the weekly Sabbath long after the resurrection (Acts 13:42–44, Acts 17:2). So did the disciples. So did the early believers. If Paul was teaching that the weekly Sabbath no longer existed, he would not be keeping it.
This alone destroys the idea that Colossians 2:16 or Galatians 4:9–11 refers to the fourth commandment. They do not. They refer to ceremonial feast sabbaths that Moses wrote and placed beside the ark (Deuteronomy 31:24–26). The Ten Commandments were placed inside the ark because they cannot be changed (Deuteronomy 10:1–5).
Hebrews does not say the Ten Commandments are obsolete. It says the Levitical system is obsolete. The priesthood changed, but God’s moral covenant remains. Jesus’ rest is spiritual, but it never replaces obedience. Both exist together. Jesus said those who love Him keep His commandments (John 14:15, 21). He did not carve out an exception for the fourth.
And here is something you cannot ignore.
The fourth commandment is the only commandment that comes with a direct blessing from God.
“Blessed is the man who keeps from defiling the Sabbath” (Isaiah 56:2–6).
God Himself called the Sabbath a test of faithfulness.
He said, “I will test them whether they will walk in My law or not” when He gave the Sabbath through the manna (Exodus 16:4).
Nothing here is unclear.
Jesus kept the Sabbath.
His disciples kept the Sabbath.
The early church kept the Sabbath.
Paul kept the Sabbath.
God blessed the Sabbath.
God used the Sabbath as a test.
And God never changed it.
The only people who cancel the Sabbath are people who are uncomfortable with it. God never did. Jesus never did. The Scriptures never did.

Here are only some of the extra sabbaths so you can see I write the truth of it all;

Here is a simple list of the extra sabbaths found in the law of Moses.
These are not the weekly Sabbath of the fourth commandment.
They are yearly ceremonial feast days, also called “sabbaths” because they were days of rest.
1. Passover and Unleavened Bread
First Day of Unleavened Bread
“On the first day you shall have a holy convocation… you shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:7)
Seventh Day of Unleavened Bread
“On the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation… you shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:8)
2. Feast of Weeks – Pentecost
“You shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:21)
3. Feast of Trumpets
“A sabbath rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation.”
(Leviticus 23:24–25)
4. Day of Atonement
“It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest.”
(Leviticus 23:32)
5. Feast of Tabernacles
First Day
“On the first day there shall be a holy convocation… you shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:35)
Eighth Day
“On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation… you shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:36)

These ceremonial “sabbaths” were yearly days of rest, connected to sacrifices and ceremonies.
They were not the weekly Sabbath of the fourth commandment, which comes from creation and was written on stone.
This is why Paul could mention these extra sabbaths in Colossians 2:16 while still keeping the weekly Sabbath himself.

GOD IS testing all of us.

“I will test them whether they will walk in My law or not.”
(Exodus 16:4)

 

[Hallstone]

The Lord Jesus showed us how to honor the Sabbath correctly, He is our example. Keeping His word is easy if we keep our eyes on Him, and deny ourselves in this world. Abandon worldly gain, rest, and do good on the Sabbath. This is His example.

 

[TMS]

Amen..

Please read the following document written by the catholic church.. it is worth the effort... a challenge from the Roman church.. not from me.. how do you answer their challenge?

 

[Soyeong]

I just wonder at the rest of the laws of Moses, must gentiles keep them can you prove gentiles have to?

It is by the Law of Moses that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so the position that Gentiles should refrain from sin is the position that Gentiles should obey the Law of Moses. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21), so him graciously teaching us to be a doer of the Law of Moses is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it and the position that Gentiles do not need to obey the Law of Moses is the position that Gentiles do not need salvation from sin.

what about the Jerusalem council? I have asked you this before alas, did not see a reply, apologies if you did.. I do appreciate your knowledge of scripture and will seriously consider what you reply and await for the answer. My knowledge of scripture if not sufficient for me to confirm what we need from the law of Moses.

Blessings

If Paul had been speaking against circumcision for any reason, then according to Galatians 5:2, he caused Christ to be of no value to Timothy when he had him circumcised right after the Jerusalem Council and Christ is of no value to roughly 70% of the men in the US. In Acts 15:1, men from Judea were wanting to require Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, however, that was never the reason why God commanded circumcision, so the Jerusalem Council upheld the Law of Moses by correctly ruling against requiring circumcision for an incorrect reason.

In Acts 15:11, they ruled that Gentiles are saved by grace just as we are, so the topic that they were debating was not whether Gentiles should follow what Christ taught but whether salvation is by circumcision or by grace. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. So in Acts 15:5, Pharisees from among the believers opposed the men from Judea by taking the position that Gentiles should become circumcised and obey the Law of Moses, but not in order to become saved as the result. In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, which is the Gospel that Peter argued that Gentiles had heard and believed in Acts 15:6-7, so he was agreeing with the believers from among the Pharisees. In Ezekiel 36:26-27, in regard to the New Covenant, it says that God will take away our hearts of stone, give us hearts of flesh, and send His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Mosaic Law, which is in accordance with Acts 15:8-9, where Peter argued that Gentiles had received the Spirit and had had their hearts cleansed, so again Peter was agreeing with the Pharisees. In Acts 15:10-11, the heavy burden that no one could bear was not the Law of Moses, but salvation by circumcision.

In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referring to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to the righteousness that is by faith proclaiming that the Law of Moses is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing, so if Peter had been referring to the Law of Moses as being a heavy burden that no one could bear instead of salvation by circumcision, then he would have been denying the word of faith that we proclaim and been in direct disagreement with God. The Psalms also express an extremely positive view of obeying the Law of Moses, such as with David repeatedly saying that he loved it and delighted in obeying it, so if Peter had been ruling against the Law of Moses, then he would again have been expressing a view that is incompatible with the truth of what he considered to be Scripture. Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome.

 

[GWH]

Your whole argument collapses for one simple reason. Jesus never removed the fourth commandment, never hinted at removing it, and never told anyone to stop keeping it. Everything else you wrote is built on human reasoning, not on the words of God or the words of Jesus whowas given all authority in Heaven and on Earth.

Let us be clear and simple. The Sabbath existed before Moses, in creation itself. God blessed and sanctified the seventh day when no Jew existed (Genesis 2:2–3). When God gave the Ten Commandments, He did not attach the Sabbath to the Levitical priesthood. He placed it in the same eternal covenant as “You shall not murder” and “You shall not commit adultery” (Exodus 20:8–11). God said the Ten Commandments are His covenant (Deuteronomy 4:13). Nothing in this covenant is temporary.
Jesus did not remove the Sabbath. He kept it every week (Luke 4:16). He taught people how to keep it correctly (Matthew 12:12). He never said, “The Sabbath is ending.” He never said, “This commandment will pass away.” He said the opposite: not one part of the law would pass till heaven and earth pass away (Matthew 5:18). Heaven and earth still stand.

You say Jesus didn’t “affirm it,” but He affirmed it by living it. Teaching by example is the strongest confirmation.
The verses you use from Paul refer to the extra sabbaths of the law of Moses like I explained. These were yearly festival days, not the weekly Sabbath of the fourth commandment. The proof is simple: Paul himself kept the weekly Sabbath long after the resurrection (Acts 13:42–44, Acts 17:2). So did the disciples. So did the early believers. If Paul was teaching that the weekly Sabbath no longer existed, he would not be keeping it.
This alone destroys the idea that Colossians 2:16 or Galatians 4:9–11 refers to the fourth commandment. They do not. They refer to ceremonial feast sabbaths that Moses wrote and placed beside the ark (Deuteronomy 31:24–26). The Ten Commandments were placed inside the ark because they cannot be changed (Deuteronomy 10:1–5).
Hebrews does not say the Ten Commandments are obsolete. It says the Levitical system is obsolete. The priesthood changed, but God’s moral covenant remains. Jesus’ rest is spiritual, but it never replaces obedience. Both exist together. Jesus said those who love Him keep His commandments (John 14:15, 21). He did not carve out an exception for the fourth.
And here is something you cannot ignore.
The fourth commandment is the only commandment that comes with a direct blessing from God.
“Blessed is the man who keeps from defiling the Sabbath” (Isaiah 56:2–6).
God Himself called the Sabbath a test of faithfulness.
He said, “I will test them whether they will walk in My law or not” when He gave the Sabbath through the manna (Exodus 16:4).
Nothing here is unclear.
Jesus kept the Sabbath.
His disciples kept the Sabbath.
The early church kept the Sabbath.
Paul kept the Sabbath.
God blessed the Sabbath.
God used the Sabbath as a test.
And God never changed it.
The only people who cancel the Sabbath are people who are uncomfortable with it. God never did. Jesus never did. The Scriptures never did.

Here are only some of the extra sabbaths so you can see I write the truth of it all;

Here is a simple list of the extra sabbaths found in the law of Moses.
These are not the weekly Sabbath of the fourth commandment.
They are yearly ceremonial feast days, also called “sabbaths” because they were days of rest.
1. Passover and Unleavened Bread
First Day of Unleavened Bread
“On the first day you shall have a holy convocation… you shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:7)
Seventh Day of Unleavened Bread
“On the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation… you shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:8)
2. Feast of Weeks – Pentecost
“You shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:21)
3. Feast of Trumpets
“A sabbath rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation.”
(Leviticus 23:24–25)
4. Day of Atonement
“It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest.”
(Leviticus 23:32)
5. Feast of Tabernacles
First Day
“On the first day there shall be a holy convocation… you shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:35)
Eighth Day
“On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation… you shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:36)

These ceremonial “sabbaths” were yearly days of rest, connected to sacrifices and ceremonies.
They were not the weekly Sabbath of the fourth commandment, which comes from creation and was written on stone.
This is why Paul could mention these extra sabbaths in Colossians 2:16 while still keeping the weekly Sabbath himself.

GOD IS testing all of us.

“I will test them whether they will walk in My law or not.”
(Exodus 16:4)

Okay, let's see where Sabbath law is viewed as Levitical rather than moral.

Matt. 5:17-20 - Jesus said that he came to fulfill the Law and that righteousness must surpass that of the Pharisees,
who observed the Levitical laws (cf. Acts 22:2-3 & 26:4-5).

Matt. 12:1-8 - The disciples did what was unlawful on the Sabbath, but Jesus said the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.

Matt. 12:12-14/Mark 3:4-6 - Jesus said that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath and healed a man, which prompted the Pharisees to plot to kill him for breaking the Sabbath.

Luke 13:10-17 - On a Sabbath Jesus broke Sabbath law by healing a crippled woman, which made the synagogue ruler indignant,
so Jesus rebuked him for hypocrisy.

Luke 14:1-6 - While dining with a prominent Pharisee Jesus saw a sick man and healed him from dropsy, noting that an animal
which had fallen in a well would have been pulled out with no objection.

John 5:1-18 - Jesus healed a paralyzed man on the Sabbath, so the Jews persecuted him for breaking the Sabbath law.

John 9:1-34 - Jesus healed a blind man on the Sabbath, who believed Jesus was a prophet, and the Jews had decided
to excommunicate anyone who said Jesus was Messiah.

These Scriptures indicate that the main reason Jesus was crucified was for the crime of breaking Sabbath law and claiming to be from God.

Thus, your whole argument collapses for one simple reason. Jesus never taught anyone to keep the fourth commandment
and never hinted that it was an eternal moral law. Everything you wrote is mere human reasoning based on tradition,
not on the words of God or the words of Jesus or the words of Paul, who wrote "Do not let anyone judge you... with regard
to a Sabbath day."

Oh, and BTW:

"The former regulation [Levitical law per Heb. 7:11] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant."
(Hebrews 7:18a & 22b, cf. Matt. 22:37-40 & John 13:34-35).

 

[soulprobe]

Your whole argument collapses for one simple reason. Jesus never removed the fourth commandment, never hinted at removing it, and never told anyone to stop keeping it. Everything else you wrote is built on human reasoning, not on the words of God or the words of Jesus whowas given all authority in Heaven and on Earth.

Let us be clear and simple. The Sabbath existed before Moses, in creation itself. God blessed and sanctified the seventh day when no Jew existed (Genesis 2:2–3). When God gave the Ten Commandments, He did not attach the Sabbath to the Levitical priesthood. He placed it in the same eternal covenant as “You shall not murder” and “You shall not commit adultery” (Exodus 20:8–11). God said the Ten Commandments are His covenant (Deuteronomy 4:13). Nothing in this covenant is temporary.
Jesus did not remove the Sabbath. He kept it every week (Luke 4:16). He taught people how to keep it correctly (Matthew 12:12). He never said, “The Sabbath is ending.” He never said, “This commandment will pass away.” He said the opposite: not one part of the law would pass till heaven and earth pass away (Matthew 5:18). Heaven and earth still stand.

You say Jesus didn’t “affirm it,” but He affirmed it by living it. Teaching by example is the strongest confirmation.
The verses you use from Paul refer to the extra sabbaths of the law of Moses like I explained. These were yearly festival days, not the weekly Sabbath of the fourth commandment. The proof is simple: Paul himself kept the weekly Sabbath long after the resurrection (Acts 13:42–44, Acts 17:2). So did the disciples. So did the early believers. If Paul was teaching that the weekly Sabbath no longer existed, he would not be keeping it.
This alone destroys the idea that Colossians 2:16 or Galatians 4:9–11 refers to the fourth commandment. They do not. They refer to ceremonial feast sabbaths that Moses wrote and placed beside the ark (Deuteronomy 31:24–26). The Ten Commandments were placed inside the ark because they cannot be changed (Deuteronomy 10:1–5).
Hebrews does not say the Ten Commandments are obsolete. It says the Levitical system is obsolete. The priesthood changed, but God’s moral covenant remains. Jesus’ rest is spiritual, but it never replaces obedience. Both exist together. Jesus said those who love Him keep His commandments (John 14:15, 21). He did not carve out an exception for the fourth.
And here is something you cannot ignore.
The fourth commandment is the only commandment that comes with a direct blessing from God.
“Blessed is the man who keeps from defiling the Sabbath” (Isaiah 56:2–6).
God Himself called the Sabbath a test of faithfulness.
He said, “I will test them whether they will walk in My law or not” when He gave the Sabbath through the manna (Exodus 16:4).
Nothing here is unclear.
Jesus kept the Sabbath.
His disciples kept the Sabbath.
The early church kept the Sabbath.
Paul kept the Sabbath.
God blessed the Sabbath.
God used the Sabbath as a test.
And God never changed it.
The only people who cancel the Sabbath are people who are uncomfortable with it. God never did. Jesus never did. The Scriptures never did.

Here are only some of the extra sabbaths so you can see I write the truth of it all;

Here is a simple list of the extra sabbaths found in the law of Moses.
These are not the weekly Sabbath of the fourth commandment.
They are yearly ceremonial feast days, also called “sabbaths” because they were days of rest.
1. Passover and Unleavened Bread
First Day of Unleavened Bread
“On the first day you shall have a holy convocation… you shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:7)
Seventh Day of Unleavened Bread
“On the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation… you shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:8)
2. Feast of Weeks – Pentecost
“You shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:21)
3. Feast of Trumpets
“A sabbath rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation.”
(Leviticus 23:24–25)
4. Day of Atonement
“It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest.”
(Leviticus 23:32)
5. Feast of Tabernacles
First Day
“On the first day there shall be a holy convocation… you shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:35)
Eighth Day
“On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation… you shall do no customary work.”
(Leviticus 23:36)

These ceremonial “sabbaths” were yearly days of rest, connected to sacrifices and ceremonies.
They were not the weekly Sabbath of the fourth commandment, which comes from creation and was written on stone.
This is why Paul could mention these extra sabbaths in Colossians 2:16 while still keeping the weekly Sabbath himself.

GOD IS testing all of us.

“I will test them whether they will walk in My law or not.”
(Exodus 16:4)

Are you teaching that if Christians do not keep the 7th day Sabbath (rest from Friday Sunset to Saturday sunset) they will not be saved and thrown into the lake of fire?

 

[TMS]

Are you teaching that if Christians do not keep the 7th day Sabbath (rest from Friday Sunset to Saturday sunset) they will not be saved and thrown into the lake of fire?

I'll answer this by asking a question?
Are you saying we should make void the law and continue to sin that grace might abound? And are you saying to let sin reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof?

 

[TMS]

Are you teaching that if Christians do not keep the 7th day Sabbath (rest from Friday Sunset to Saturday sunset) they will not be saved and thrown into the lake of fire?

God is the judge.

I'm saying we should keep the 7th day holy because we love Jesus.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[soulprobe]

I'm saying we should keep the 7th day holy because we love Jesus.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

So are you teaching that the billions Christians who do not rest from Saturday sunset to Friday sunset are demonstrating that they hate Jesus and will not be saved and thrown into the lake of fire?

 

[vassal]

Okay, let's see where Sabbath law is viewed as Levitical rather than moral.

Matt. 5:17-20 - Jesus said that he came to fulfill the Law and that righteousness must surpass that of the Pharisees,
who observed the Levitical laws (cf. Acts 22:2-3 & 26:4-5).

Matt. 12:1-8 - The disciples did what was unlawful on the Sabbath, but Jesus said the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.

Matt. 12:12-14/Mark 3:4-6 - Jesus said that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath and healed a man, which prompted the Pharisees to plot to kill him for breaking the Sabbath.

Luke 13:10-17 - On a Sabbath Jesus broke Sabbath law by healing a crippled woman, which made the synagogue ruler indignant,
so Jesus rebuked him for hypocrisy.

Luke 14:1-6 - While dining with a prominent Pharisee Jesus saw a sick man and healed him from dropsy, noting that an animal
which had fallen in a well would have been pulled out with no objection.

John 5:1-18 - Jesus healed a paralyzed man on the Sabbath, so the Jews persecuted him for breaking the Sabbath law.

John 9:1-34 - Jesus healed a blind man on the Sabbath, who believed Jesus was a prophet, and the Jews had decided
to excommunicate anyone who said Jesus was Messiah.

These Scriptures indicate that the main reason Jesus was crucified was for the crime of breaking Sabbath law and claiming to be from God.

Thus, your whole argument collapses for one simple reason. Jesus never taught anyone to keep the fourth commandment
and never hinted that it was an eternal moral law. Everything you wrote is mere human reasoning based on tradition,
not on the words of God or the words of Jesus or the words of Paul, who wrote "Do not let anyone judge you... with regard
to a Sabbath day."

Oh, and BTW:

"The former regulation [Levitical law per Heb. 7:11] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant."
(Hebrews 7:18a & 22b, cf. Matt. 22:37-40 & John 13:34-35).

The whole argument against the fourth commandment begins with a misunderstanding. Jesus never fought the Sabbath. He corrected the Pharisees because they had added heavy rules that God never gave. This is the meaning of His words in Matthew 5:17–20. He did not come to destroy the Law. He came to fulfill it and to restore its true meaning. The Pharisees held the Levitical traditions, but Jesus returned the people to the heart of God’s commandments, which includes the Sabbath that God blessed from the beginning. The problem was never the Sabbath. The problem was the way the Pharisees twisted it.

Every story where Jesus healed on the Sabbath shows the same truth. He never broke the commandment. He broke the man-made additions that stole mercy from the people. When He defended His disciples in Matthew 12:1–8, He was not removing the Sabbath. He was showing that the Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath. When He healed the man in Matthew 12:12–14 and the man in Mark 3:4–6, He showed that doing good is lawful on the Sabbath. The Pharisees were angry because their traditions were exposed. They hated the mercy of God, not the Sabbath itself.

The same happened in Luke 13:10–17 when Jesus healed the crippled woman, and in Luke 14:1–6 when He healed another man. He asked simple questions that revealed their own hypocrisy, because they themselves worked on the Sabbath to rescue an animal but condemned mercy toward a suffering person. In John 5:1–18 and John 9:1–34 the leaders again accused Him of breaking the Sabbath, but Jesus explained that His Father was working and He was working, meaning that the Sabbath is a day filled with God’s compassion. They hated this mercy, and this is why they sought to kill Him. They did not kill Him for breaking the fourth commandment. They killed Him because His goodness uncovered their sin.

The claim that Jesus never taught the Sabbath or that the fourth commandment is not eternal ignores His own example. He kept the Sabbath, taught its meaning, called Himself Lord of the Sabbath, and corrected the false traditions that had blinded the people. The idea that the Sabbath was only a Levitical law does not stand, because the Sabbath was given before Levi was even born. It was blessed at creation. It was written by God’s own hand. It was given as a gift for all people, not as a temporary shadow. Jesus’ new command to love one another stands with the Sabbath because love fulfills all commandments, not replaces them.

I told you before, even the disciples honored the Sabbath after the resurrection. And none of their writings ever say that Jesus removed the fourth commandment. When Paul is quoted to deny the commandment, his words are taken outside the teaching of Jesus. Jesus is the highest authority. Jesus kept the Sabbath. Jesus taught the Sabbath. Jesus said it was made for mankind. No apostle ever changed His words.

Now here are the verses that give the clear proof. In Genesis 2:2–3 God blessed the seventh day and made it holy. In Exodus 20:8–11 God commanded the Sabbath, saying to remember it and keep it holy, because He rested on that day and blessed it. Before Sinai, in Exodus 16:4 and in verses 22–30, God said the Sabbath was a test of faithfulness. Jesus then kept the Sabbath in Luke 4:16. He taught its true meaning in Matthew 12:1–12, Mark 2:27–28, Luke 6:5–9, and John 7:22–24. He healed on the Sabbath in John 5:1–18 and John 9:1–34 as works of mercy that honor the commandment rather than break it. In all these verses Jesus protects the fourth commandment and shows that it is still holy. It is also the only commandment spoken with a blessing inside it, because God Himself blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart.

The claim tyou made that Jesus never taught anyone to keep the fourth commandment falls apart as soon as we look at His own life and words. He kept the Sabbath, taught the Sabbath, explained the Sabbath, and called Himself Lord of the Sabbath. He showed people how to honor it by doing good and removing human traditions, not by canceling God’s command. Saying it is not an eternal moral law ignores that God blessed it at creation before Israel existed and wrote it with His own finger. And using Paul against Jesus is a grave mistake, because Paul never had the authority to cancel what the Lord established. The truth is simple. Jesus honored His Father’s Sabbath, taught its meaning, and lived it without sin, and no argument that denies this can stand.

Actually it is rather a simple Commandment to follow, the prophet Isaiah gave proper instructions to follow the sabbath, Jesus magnified it to add acts of kindness and Mercy.

Isaiah 58:13–14, NKJV

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
from doing your pleasure on My holy day,
and call the Sabbath a delight,
the holy day of the Lord honorable,
and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
nor finding your own pleasure,
nor speaking your own words,
then you shall delight yourself in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”​

 

[vassal]

Are you teaching that if Christians do not keep the 7th day Sabbath (rest from Friday Sunset to Saturday sunset) they will not be saved and thrown into the lake of fire?

I am not the judge. It is by Christ words that we shall be judged.

“He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him. The word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.” John 12:48, NKJV

follow the sabbath like below never like the pharisees who added their own rules for the sabbath, Jesus severely rebuked them they followed the letter and added to it they forgot love mercy and compassion. these are the core values of the commandments.


Isaiah 58:13–14, NKJV

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
from doing your pleasure on My holy day,
and call the Sabbath a delight,
the holy day of the Lord honorable,
and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
nor finding your own pleasure,
nor speaking your own words,
then you shall delight yourself in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

 

[soulprobe]

I am not the judge. It is by Christ words that we shall be judged.

“He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him. The word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.” John 12:48, NKJV

follow the sabbath like below never like the pharisees who added their own rules for the sabbath, Jesus severely rebuked them they followed the letter and added to it they forgot love mercy and compassion. these are the core values of the commandments.


Isaiah 58:13–14, NKJV

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
from doing your pleasure on My holy day,
and call the Sabbath a delight,
the holy day of the Lord honorable,
and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
nor finding your own pleasure,
nor speaking your own words,
then you shall delight yourself in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

So you are teaching that Christ the Judge will throw all Christians who do not rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset into the lake of fire? Yes or no.

 

[TMS]

In this passage the Lord says that the OC including the Sabbath Law is obsolete/abrogated by the Gospel of Christ. Need GW say more?

Your argument is missing a vital point... and it falls apart because you make the sabbath commandment part of the Old covenant and part of the Levitical law and therefore include it with the other laws that have been made void. You include it and make it part of the oc when it isn't.

There is no scriptural evidence that the sabbath (4th command) was made void.

You can twist verses and make them say things but there isn't a plain statement that states that the 7th day Sabbath is no longer sanctified..

God clearly set it aside for holy use.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: ....

To "sanctify" means to set apart to a holy, sacred, or religious use. God's act of resting was in the past when He sanctified the seventh day, meaning He set it apart for future religious use for all humanity. Before sin.

In the wilderness of Sin, even before the law was formally given at Mount Sinai, Moses declared, "To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath to the LORD" Exodus 16:23. This shows that the Sabbath was already known and recognized as a holy day belonging to the Lord.

The Fourth Commandment itself instructs us to "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy" Exodus 20:8. It further clarifies, "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God" Exodus 20:10. The reason given is explicit: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" Exodus 20:11. Here, "hallowed" is synonymous with sanctified and made holy.

The prophet Isaiah calls the Sabbath "my holy day" Isaiah 58:13. He encourages us to "call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, and honorable" Isaiah 58:13. This shows that the Sabbath is not merely an ancient regulation but a day to be cherished and honored by God's people.

The Lord declared to Moses, "Truly my sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you. You shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy to you" Exodus 31:13-14.

The Sabbath is a sign "that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you" Ezekiel 20:12. To sanctify means to make holy, to effect a change in an individual's character, restoring the image of God. True Sabbath-keeping is a signature feature of this promise, allowing us to receive fresh life and spiritual vigor from God.

The same creative power that sanctified the Sabbath day is the power that can sanctify us, making us holy. As Christ is our Creator, He is also made unto us "wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption", 1Corinthians 1:30 - Christ is our Creator and Sanctifier.

The Sabbath, blessed, sanctified, and made holy by God, is a precious gift. It serves as a memorial of His creative work, a sign of His covenant with His people, and a means by which we can come to know Him as our Sanctifier. This is why i remember to honour this divine institution each week with joy and reverence.

My point is that if this day was openly made holy by God, than God would have openly made known that He has taken away His holy, sanctifying blessing.

But there is no verse to say it has changed.

 

[TMS]

So are you teaching that the billions Christians who do not rest from Saturday sunset to Friday sunset are demonstrating that they hate Jesus and will not be saved and thrown into the lake of fire?

You didn't answer my questions in post #170..
Like I said Jesus is the Judge.. and He knows the hearts.

I can not judge the hearts of anyone.
I can promote the truth

And incourage people to follow the way the truth and the life.

 

[soulprobe]

You didn't answer my questions in post #170..
Like I said Jesus is the Judge.. and He knows the hearts.

I can not judge the hearts of anyone.
I can promote the truth

And incourage people to follow the way the truth and the life.

You mean to tell me you do not know what are the consequences for Christians who continue not resting from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset? Because if you do not know the consequences you should not be teaching Christians that they are required to do this. I can tell you the consequences of Christians who continue to murder. I don't need to say, but Jesus "knows the hearts".

 

[mailmandan]

Amen..

Please read the following document written by the catholic church.. it is worth the effort... a challenge from the Roman church.. not from me.. how do you answer their challenge?

The SDA church turns the Roman Catholic church into their boogeyman as well. The SDA church also teaches the ludicrous doctrine that the mark of the beast will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

https://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

I will respond to your post #162 in the morning. Your arguments in that post are the same arguments that I hear from SDA's.

 

[mailmandan]

Are you teaching that if Christians do not keep the 7th day Sabbath (rest from Friday Sunset to Saturday sunset) they will not be saved and thrown into the lake of fire?

So you are teaching that Christ the Judge will throw all Christians who do not rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset into the lake of fire? Yes or no.

The answer to your question seems very obvious to you and me but I would not expect a yes or no answer from these folks. They are too slippery.