Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[reneweddaybyday]

I was a addressing there physical exclusion from the promised land where by, because of there free will of the flesh going against God's will, God said 600, 000 would die in the wilderness. His chosen people.

And again God had strengthened them to obey first before passing judgment. He had also put his mercy in there heart of both strengthening mercy and affection for mercy. Like in judges 7 and Deuteronomy 7

All are called few are chosen.

Every knee will bow.

And again the rooster has called three times.

Have you ever read these verses in Hebrews 3? God tells us exactly why they did not enter the promised land:

Hebrews 3:15-19 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

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[Bible_Highlighter]

I have asked several questions you have not answered. Fess up, hypocrite. Your mister nice guy act is a sham.

1 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJV
"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?"

In context, this sounds to me like Paul is addressing the Corinthian believers.
He is saying that the Corinthian believers are carnal and he had to speak to them as if they were babies in Christ.
They are not understanding the deep things of God (1 Corinthians 2:10).

1 Corinthians 2:10 KJV
"But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God."

So when Paul says in 1 Corinthians 2:14, "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.", he is referring to the Corinthian believers.

The words "Natural man" (1 Cor 2:14) and "carnal" (1 Cor 3:3) are related terms or wording here.
Clearly it is obvious based on a normal reading of 1 Corinthians 3:1-3 that Paul is calling the Corinthian believers as being carnal and if that is the case (which the context shows), then that means that they are the ones who are currently being like the "natural man" in their thinking and actions at that particular point in time within their lives when Paul was writing to them by an epistle.



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[Bible_Highlighter]

"Acceptable religion" to God is just that....

Christianity is about having righteous spiritual intercourse with God.

If I understand you correctly, I am glad we agree that is what the verse says in James.



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[Me_Clay]

Yes. But even so, I want to show the love of Christ. Those images can be difficult to look at, especially when I am just trying to scroll through and find regular typed replies.



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I've been holding on but I supposed we need to let her know too

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

I've been holding on but I supposed we need to let her know too

NONSENSE! There is nothing wrong with sister Magenta's artwork!!

 

[Magenta]

So when Paul says in 1 Corinthians 2:14, "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.", he is referring to the Corinthian believers.

The words "Natural man" (1 Cor 2:14) and "carnal" (1 Cor 3:3) are related terms or wording here.

Wrong. The natural man who can neither receive nor comprehend the spiritual things of God which he is actually OPPOSED to is not the carnally minded Christian, but the man who is not indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God. First comes the natural, then comes the spiritual. Why do you ignore this? It is like you throw over the whole being born again of incorruptible seed, raised to new life in Christ, for what reason do you just dump that in the dust bin? Because people act as you do pretending to be a nice guy when they are not? Throwing around your CDS as if what others believe is not Biblical, only silly because you disagree with it and think it worthy of being smashed? You free willers claim certain beliefs came from Calvin when both Jesus and Paul taught man's inability. You are dishonest or just blind. Maybe both.

You keep wholesale rejecting the FACT that people not indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God are the natural man.

You want to pretend that because Christians can act carnally that the natural man means nothing else. How wrong you are.

That natural man CANNOT submit to God. Explicitly articulated in Scripture.

That natural man will not come into the light. Explicitly articulated in Scripture.

That natural man is a slave to sin and lover of darkness. Explicitly articulated in Scripture.

That natural man CANNOT understand the spiritual things of God. Explicitly articulated in Scripture.

That natural man is opposed to the spiritual things of God. Explicitly articulated in Scripture.

If your beliefs truly aligned with Scripture you would accept this but your discernment is lacking, you have zero understanding.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I've been holding on but I supposed we need to let her know too

Thank you for your courage and spiritual strength.



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[Jordon]

Have you ever read these verses in Hebrews 3? God tells us exactly why they did not enter the promised land:

Hebrews 3:15-19 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

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and again there hearts where softened in order for them to harden them again

Like in all other places all the chosen people kept hardening there hearts in the bible.

The reason how God can judge is he softens there heart first with his enabling strengthening mercy.

If they fail that test

600.000 can be left in the wilderness to die

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

OK; ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Can we please stop denigrating sister Magenta's artwork!!

 

[Jordon]

Thank you for your courage and spiritual strength.



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That would be nice if it was true, which it's not,

if you could stop making people look faithless maybe you could have spiritual strength

And you need that of God

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Yep anyone can be a religious nutcase

Especially those walking around with the fantasy war of free will going on in there head, the Calvies v the Arminians, which faith is better

Or free will being something to value in the unsaved over the views of the saved. Or the fathers will

Its like talk about being ridiculous,

have you ever noticed the folks the Lord Jesus Christ was angry with? ... it was the sadducees, pharisees, chief priests, etc., etc.

the publicans and sinners? Jesus went in unto them ... taught them.

the sadducees and pharisees separated themselves from the common folks ... thought they were better than them.

Luke 18:9-14

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

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[Bible_Highlighter]

Wrong. The natural man who can neither receive nor comprehend the spiritual things of God which he is actually OPPOSED to is not the carnally minded Christian, but the man who is not indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God. First comes the natural, then comes the spiritual. Why do you ignore this? It is like you throw over the whole being born again of incorruptible seed, raised to new life in Christ, for what reason do you just dump that in the dust bin? Because people act as you do pretending to be a nice guy when they are not? Throwing around your CDS as if what others believe is not Biblical, only silly because you disagree with it and think it worthy of being smashed? You free willers claim certain beliefs came from Calvin when both Jesus and Paul taught man's inability. You are dishonest or just blind. Maybe both.

Except for the numbering of the Psalms, chapter numbers were not a part of the original Scriptures. 1 Corinthians 3:3 is clearly tied to 1 Corinthians 2:10, and 1 Corinthians 2:14. It all reads together in harmony. All I can do is encourage you to read it several times in prayer and you might see it if you want to be truly unbiased here.



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[Magenta]

Except for the numbering of the Psalms, chapter numbers were not a part of the original Scriptures. 1 Corinthians 3:3 is clearly tied to 1 Corinthians 2:10, and 1 Corinthians 2:14. It all reads together in harmony. All I can do is encourage you to read it several times in prayer and you might see it if you want to be truly unbiased here.
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John 3 verses 19-20 and from Psalm 10 verse 4 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. The wicked reviles the Lord

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

That would be nice if it was true, which it's not,

if you could stop making people look faithless maybe you could have spiritual strength

And you need that of God

Unless you can read minds, you are only guessing as to what I actually believe or what my motives are. You are just assuming wrong things about me, which will not bode well for you at the Judgment.



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[Magenta]

Unless you can read minds, you are only guessing as to what I actually believe or what my motives are. You are just assuming wrong things about me, which will not bode well for you at the Judgment.
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Mirrors

 

[Jordon]

have you ever noticed the folks the Lord Jesus Christ was angry with? ... it was the sadducees, pharisees, chief priests, etc., etc.

the publicans and sinners? Jesus went in unto them ... taught them.

the sadducees and pharisees separated themselves from the common folks ... thought they were better than them.

Luke 18:9-14

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

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an he doesn't humble himself unless hes been humbled by God.

He who exalts himself will be humbled

For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

Every knee will bow to

Works both ways

All sinners will exalt themselves to.

Sinners can exalt in the lord to

 

[Magenta]

Except for the numbering of the Psalms, chapter numbers were not a part of the original Scriptures. 1 Corinthians 3:3 is clearly tied to 1 Corinthians 2:10, and 1 Corinthians 2:14. It all reads together in harmony. All I can do is encourage you to read it several times in prayer and you might see it if you want to be truly unbiased here.
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When are you going to accept that the natural man is one who is not indwelt with the
Holy Spirit of God which is REQUIRED for understanding the Spiritual things of God?
Because they are SPIRITUALLY discerned, as per Scripture.

The ability to understand God's Word and Spiritual things is not a result of human intellect but of the
Holy Spirit's illumination, which is necessary to grasp concepts that seem foolish to the natural mind.

The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians ch 2 v 14

 

[Jordon]

Unless you can read minds, you are only guessing as to what I actually believe or what my motives are. You are just assuming wrong things about me, which will not bode well for you at the Judgment.



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well how many times have you tried to make me look faithless by calling me a morally bankrupt calvinist to ?

 

[Blue155]

Beginning in 1 Corinthians 1:18, Paul contrasts human and divine wisdom.
Divine wisdom comes from the Holy Spirit through the inspired Word (1 Corinthians 2:6-13). The “natural man” is guided by human wisdom. The existence of God and power have been so clearly demonstrated by His creation that no one can reasonably claim, "God does not exist." The entire creation bears witness to the fact that it was created by a Creator. Everywhere you look in creation, there is evidence that a Maker exists. Where did the stars come from? The Earth? Water? Plants? Animals? The Psalmist writes, "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork" (Psalm 19:1). This is a reality that everyone understands, yet there are unfortunately those who will “suppress the truth in unrighteousness” (Rom. 1:18), as they have chosen to be “the natural man” (1 Cor. 2:14). One whose “ear is uncircumcised”, and “the word of the LORD is a reproach to them; They have no delight in it.” (Jer. 6:10). That is why for these kinds of people who have chosen this mindset, they see the message of the cross to be foolish (1 Cor. 1:18).

For the natural man (1. Cor. 2:14), the message of the cross continues to be foolish to those who perish (1 Cor. 1:18). For the natural man, the cross is foolishness because, in their wisdom, they consider the Bible to be an illogical, old book. For the natural man, Scripture is considered to be worthless, absurd, and irrelevant. Some scorn, hate, and dismiss the cross's message as irrelevant and meaningless. They find nothing worthwhile in the cross or beauty in Christ. They refuse to bow their heads at the foot of the cross because of their pride. They have no godly sorrow to seek and desire God’s love and forgiveness. They refuse reconciliation. Their love of sin keeps them from wanting to change. They have no understanding of God's goodness and love. Their foundation is a superficial knowledge of the Bible.

“but unto us which are saved it is the power of God” (1 Cor. 1:18)

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

John 3 verses 19-20 and from Psalm 10 verse 4 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. The wicked reviles the Lord

The god of Calvinism force saves some people to be saved based on no conditions. Hence why it is called 'Unconditional Election' in Calvinism. Yet the god of Calvinism allows for the majority of mankind to burn for all eternity, and man had no say-so in the matter. Would this not be darkness or evil for the god of Calvinism to do this? I believe it would be. In fact, I wholeheartedly believe such a belief will one day be judged by our Lord and condemned because it is not how God is portrayed in the Bible.




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