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You accuse others of twisting Scripture

It's not an accusation. It's the truth. So quit huffing and puffing. It isn't creating the effect you think it is. Most people on this forum are well versed in scripture and certainly know the real gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and we understand that only the blood shed on the cross by Jesus saves us from our sin. He is the perfection of the commandments. His death and resurrection are God's plan for mankind.

Deception is rampant in this world and we are warned many times in scripture about false teaching spirits. What you teach is a mashup of some truth and some false adding to the truth. There is no Jesus plus commandments for salvation.

You can run the gamut of word games and pretend to be oh so insulted, but you are far from original. The true gospel has been under attack from Genesis on and this forum has seen plenty.

There is only Jesus. He did what we never could have done and He alone is our salvation.
 

Well, may I suggest that you get over your opposition to being called a Christian?
Of course that designation was not given until Messiah was also called Christ!
You think we should instead be called "sheep"?!

BTW, you also need to get over your opposition to calling Elohim "God",
because we should define both terms as the NT does, not as detractors do.
Neither term takes away from the Trinity.

What name do you think Jesus called his followers?
Or what term do you use for your beliefs?
 
Save yourself a headache. He is confusing at best and outright dangerous at worse. The commandments are not a part of the gospel.
He consistently cherry picks verses and tries to create what he thinks is true and then says that not many understand. Now he says not many post scripture with what they say. Both of those statements from him are false.

The only way to understand him, is to understand what scripture really says and then you will understand he does NOT represent the actual gospel. Oh I know he's all polite and stuff, but that's a part of the packaging. His words will lead a person into error.


the commandments are not part of the gospels?? you say? that is a LIE!

Here are just a few verses showing that the commandments are part of the gospel,

Jesus:

  • “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17 NKJV)
  • “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17 NKJV)
  • “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19 NKJV)
Paul:

  • “For we know that the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good” (Romans 7:12 NKJV)
  • “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters” (1 Corinthians 7:19 NKJV)
  • “I delight in the law of God according to the inward man” (Romans 7:22 NKJV)

You understand your own way but it is not from the bible.
 
Yeah the truth, that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life seems to bother alot of people.
 
Well, may I suggest that you get over your opposition to being called a Christian?
Of course that designation was not given until Messiah was also called Christ!
You think we should instead be called "sheep"?!

BTW, you also need to get over your opposition to calling Elohim "God",
because we should define both terms as the NT does, not as detractors do.
Neither term takes away from the Trinity.

What name do you think Jesus called his followers?
Or what term do you use for your beliefs?

(2) In acknowledgement of the names of Elohim - and to the many wonderful revelations of our Creator throughout the scriptures and the marvelous way our Father portrays His attributes through His expressed names. SELAH! However that is not the focus of my concern. The origins of the translated titles and names are what I raise objection to. I will attempt to explain my understanding and reasoning as best I can.
(3) To those of you whom claim knowledge of the scriptures you should be able to research the data I provide. The internet may help those who do not have previous time in scripture.
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(4) Concerning the TITLE ‘ELOHIM,’ A.B. Traina in his preface to the Holy Name Bible says, "The characteristic appellation of the Most High "ELOHIM" has been substituted for the Assyrian deity Gawd, or God in English, and is repudiated by YAHWEH in Isaiah 65:11 which reads as follows, "But you are they that forsake YAHWEH, that forget My Holy mountain, and furnish a table for God, and furnish a drink offering to Meni." (Holy Name Bible) The Cambridge Edition, KJV, says ‘troop,’ but the margin says ‘Gad’ (many still furnish a drink offering- a toast for ‘good luck’ - Good Fortune - and a table for feasting on New Years and other occasions.)
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(5) Hastings a Bible Dictionary, Vol.2 p. 76: Gad (Fortuna)-... the God of good luck...the god, Gad as 'fortune,' seems to illustrate the origin of the old Pers. word for "God" baga.
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(6) The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol . 5, p. 544; The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. 2 p 335; Smiths Dictionary of the Bible: All define Gad as the deity of fortune, some even making reference to BAAL-GAD (the Lord God), a heathen city which Joshua destroyed (Joshua 11:17 12:7). Even Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance, a most conventional work, admits that the Hebrew word for which God is used is Elohim (p. 12 of Hebrew dictionary, entry no. 430). ‘God’ doesn't even resemble "Elohim" and, God is not contained in the names of the prophets as Elohim is. Look up Elohim in any unabridged dictionary to see that it is the true Title of YHWH.
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(7) The importance of a name in the Hebrew culture is evident throughout the scriptures- Solomon - peaceable - never saw war in his entire reign: Nable - fool - was foolish enough to reject David's servants, and of him Abigail said, as his name is, so is he; Nable is his name, and folly is with him. In fact the name of every Israelite contained a revelation of the person himself.
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(8),Much more so the Divine Name YHWH is filled with deep, vital, memorable revelation of the Supreme Being, and His relation to His creation. The Name, YHWH, very basically is translated to be I AM, or HE WHO IS, but the nature of the Hebrew language is such that one word, especially the Name of the Creator, is more realistically an expression or a revelation than a word that can be defined by a simple word or two in another language. Hence, the meaning of the Name YHWH can only be experienced through the personal knowledge of Him, and we can barely skim the surface with such definitions as these: HE WHO is; the Creator of all that comes into existence; The Self-existent Sovereign Who rides upon the wings of the wind; HE WHO was, and is, and is to come, the Beginning and the Ending; the Almighty; The Righteousness; The Rock; Unmovable, Immortal, Eternal; WHO stretches forth the heavens Alone; and knows no other Majesty besides Himself; The King of kings and Ruler of rulers; The Savior; The Redeemer; The Holy One; The only true Elohim. All these thoughts, and much more, are expressed in the Name YHWH.
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(9)FOREVER AND THIS IS MY MEMORIAL UNTO ALL GENERATIONS. (Exodus 3:13-15)
(10) The fact that YHWH is the name that Elohim declared to Moses and has since, in most versions of the Bible, been supplanted by the degenerate and degrading titles, ‘LORD’, 'GOD' and 'JEHOVAH', is virtually undisputed by biblical authorities; (Although I don't use these titles, references are quoted 'as is' for exactness.) is the so-called Tetragrammation, YHWH (__THE DISTINCTIVE PERSONAL NAME OF THE GOD OF ISRAEL. This form is commonly represented in modern translations by the form 'JEHOVAH' WHICH HOWEVER, IS A PHILOLOGICAL (grammatical, linguistic, and historical) IMPOSSIBILITY (see JEHOVAH)
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(11) The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. 9, p. 160: Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823 times) is the so-called Tetragrammation, YHWH (____THE DISTINCTIVE PERSONAL NAME OF THE GOD OF ISRAEL. This form is commonly represented in modern translations by the form 'JEHOVAH' WHICH HOWEVER, IS A PHILOLOGICAL (grammatical, linguistic, and historical) IMPOSSIBILITY (See JEHOVAH).
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(12) The New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 14, p. 1065; YAHWEH - THE FULL AND PROPER NAME OF THE LORD OF ISRAEL, written with four consonants, YHWH,
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(13) A Roman Catholic publication, The Jerome Biblical Commentary, p. 50, Sec. 12: 'In answer to Moses' question regarding His Name, God replies with the celebrated I AM WHO I AM (Ex. 3:14). THIS STATEMENT IS CERTAINLY THE OCCASION FOR THE DIVINE TITLE YAHWEH.” The authors also proclaim the Names' properly written form, YHWH.
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(14) And others coincide:
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(15) Douglas the New Bible Dictionary, p. 478: STRICTLY SPEAKING, YAHWEH IS THE ONLY 'NAME OF GOD' in Genesis, wherever the word sem (name) is associated with the Divine Being, YAHWEH...CONCERNING WHICH ELOHIM SAYS, THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER." (Ex. 3:15) Douglas also lists the correct spelling of The Name as YAWH.
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(16) The New Westminster Dictionary of the Bible, p. 454: “JEHOVAH - The common English pronunciation of the Tetragrammation, YHWH, one of the Names of God (Ex. 17:15).” Webster defines 'common' in part as "Ceremonial unclean, unsanctified."
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(17) The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. 2, p. 409: THE COVENANT NAME YAHWEH; The disclosure of God's Name is inseparable from the historical experience in which the Divine presence and purpose we're revealed to Israel. According to tradition, the personal Name YAHWEH was introduced to Moses at the time of the Exodus...IN THE EARLIEST HEBREW THE NAME APPEARED AS A FOUR LETTER WORD OR TETRAGRAMMATION: YHWH (___) without any vowel signs.
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(18) Brandon, Dictionary of Comparative Religion, p.655; YAHWEH (Yahveh) - PERSONAL NAME OF GOD OF ISRAEL...The Name in Hebrew was written in consonants only, UHVA. - We feel led to use the spelling YHWH and the overwhelming majority of scholars agree. We believe the "V" came in through other cultures once Israel was scattered, and did not exist in the original Hebrew. This view coincides with the name of many Israelites which indicate this pronunciation: with Greek manuscripts which render this pronunciation laoye (laoue) or laovai (Iaouai); and even Samaritan poetry in which words used to rhyme with __ are pronounced as YAHWEH. (The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. 9 p.161; Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible Vol. 2, p. 409)
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(19) The New English Bible, footnote to Ex. 3:15, p.75 The Hebrew consonants are YHWH, probably pronounced as YAHWEH but TRADITIONALLY read JEHOVAH. "Full well ye reject the commandment of YHWH, that ye may keep YOUR OWN TRADITION." (Mk. 79)
(20) Holy Bible, Revised Standard Version, Ex. 3:15, footnote f: "The word 'LORD' when spelled with capital letters stands for the Divine Name YHWH, which is here connected with the verb hayah, to be.” YHWH, pronounced YAHWEH, is "almost, if not quite, certain" the original Name, although this knowledge is ignored throughout the translation.
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(21) Even many editions of the KJV have marginal references and footnotes to Ex. 3:15 proclaiming YHWH to be the unadulterated name of the Most High.
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(22) Consider also the names of the children of Israel, multitudes of which declare the Name of their Father by containing a portion of His Name, or of His title, Elohim:

PLUS SO MUCH MORE THAN 1000 CHARACTERS WILL ALLOW FROM YOUR CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS. BUT IM NOT CHRISTIAN SO ILL LEAVE IT TO YOU.
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Since hunger and vassal support each other and they both state they are not christian, then it becomes interesting to know what it is exactly they do believe. Turns out it is a cult like adherence to the 144,000 spoken of in Revelation. On hungers profile he has a link to the website which also features the shroud of Turin as a main feature.

The site is hard on the eyes, but if you want to know what is going on with these two, you will answers there.
 
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These two believe that the name 'Christian' is given by the devil in order to cause confusion and hide the truth.
According to their site, we follow the devil.
  1. The name Christian, Christianity, is a name universally adopted in all diversities of churches and sect.
  2. It is, however, never given of Elohim to His Church; but is a name covering all error of doctrine and all corruption of morals, used by the devil and his children to push out of sight the true names and doctrines and marks of the church of Elohim. Therefore in all the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, the term ‘Christianity’ is never used, and “Christian” only three times; and that by the enemies of Elohim, as we shall see. The prophets never used it. The Holy Ghost who moved them to speak, never mentioned it; and though bringing up all the names of the church---His “sheep,” “His own elect,” “children of Elohim”, His “chosen,” “Elohim’s elect,” “Israel,” “Judah,” “Jerusalem,” etc.---Christ never used it. Indeed He was up in glory some nine years when it was first given (A.D.41) as a nickname to the saints of Elohim---“The disciples were called Christians first in Antioch” (Acts xi 26).
 
Since hunger and vassal support each other and they both state they are not christian, then it becomes interesting to know what it is exactly they do believe. Turns out it is a cult like adherence to the 144,000 spoken of in Revelation. On hungers profile he has a link to the website which also features the shroud of Turin as a main feature.

The site is hard on the eyes, but if you want to know what is going on with these two, you will answers there.
T.W. Christie you will find much to learn.
 
I don't know who or what the Christie thing is, but I can assure I have learned already. You know, that kinda sounds a little threat like. Since learning you think Christians are of the devil, that is not surprising. You have zero ability to pronounce any kind of 'you better watch out' on anyone who is saved by the blood of Christ.

I pray people catch up with you and your friend and understand exactly what you believe and are propagating on this forum
 
If the law of Moses bears the same status to men today, in terms of it binding, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if Jesus did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ and remains as a binding legal system for today then it is not just partially binding, but totally binding. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” would pass away until all was fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the law, all of the law and not just part of it. We cannot say that Jesus merely fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the rest of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it.

Mat 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Think not that I came to destroy the law, I came to die and destroy it then.... that does not make sense....
One jot or tittle will not pass till all be fulfilled.

When has all been fulfilled?

the cerimonial law was fulfilled in Christ.

the blood of the Lamb was replaced with the blood of Jesus. Jesus became the high priest in the heavenly sanctuary.

but how was the 10 commandments removed? Why was the moral law removed.?

Paul continues to talk about it as holy and good, and James states that we will be judged by it. If it was fulfilled at the cross why is it still in place after that time?

you are putting the two different laws together, in the same category. this is why you refuse to see the way the 10 commandments (the royal law of liberty) and the cerimonial laws are different.

today it is a sin the transgress the 10 commandments.
do you believe it is not a sin when
You kill, when you commit adultery, when you steal, when you bear false witness against thy neighbour?

If this law is void today we are not guilty of sin and have no need of salvation.

Jesus did not make the 10 commandments void. Jesus paid the price of transgressing this law.

Please consider the following thought...

As sinners we are covered in sores and we need to acknowledge our condition.
The best way to see our sores is to look in a mirror. The mirror is the Ten commandments.

Is the mirror the problem and if we destroy the mirror will the sin problem dissappear? No. The mirror just reveals our condition. The mirror can not help our condition and we will not fix our sores by touching the mirror.. but the mirror helps us to realize our need and we can then go to the saviour.

You can remove the 10 commandments and feel like you are clean but the truth is that you are are still sick and need Jesus to help you.

The law is what helps us to know where we need help.

The devil hates the mirror or 10 commandments because when it is removed people don't see any need to repent and be converted.
 
The law is what helps us to know where we need help.

So the Holy Spirit just sits and what? watches? The law is not a part of salvation. Jesus is salvation. Do you have a guilty conscience?
 
Mat 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Think not that I came to destroy the law, I came to die and destroy it then.... that does not make sense....
One jot or tittle will not pass till all be fulfilled.
Who said destroy? The old covenant made obsolete does not mean destroy. (Hebrews 8:13) In 2 Corinthians 3:6-9, we read - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. *Which covenant are you under?

When has all been fulfilled?

the ceremonial law was fulfilled in Christ.

the blood of the Lamb was replaced with the blood of Jesus. Jesus became the high priest in the heavenly sanctuary.
So, Jesus only fulfilled the ceremonial law but not the moral law as well? Jesus failed at the moral law? Do you believe that the 10 commandments under the old covenant of law (including the 4th commandment - Colossians 2:16-17) are binding on Christians today? The law of Moses was given to Israel (Exodus 20:1-25; Nehemiah 9:13) and not the Church.

but how was the 10 commandments removed? Why was the moral law removed.?
It's not about it being removed. Since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made the old covenant obsolete to legally put into place the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13) The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), and the apostle Paul says that by bearing one another's burdens, we fulfill "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) So, love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10) and out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9 10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

The moral aspect of the law is written on our hearts. So once again, the law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the letter of the law. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9.

Paul continues to talk about it as holy and good, and James states that we will be judged by it. If it was fulfilled at the cross why is it still in place after that time?
So, you are saying that we remain under the old covenant of law and Jesus did not fulfill it? It sounds to me like you are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

you are putting the two different laws together, in the same category. this is why you refuse to see the way the 10 commandments (the royal law of liberty) and the ceremonial laws are different.
Both the ceremonial laws and the 10 commandments make up the law of Moses and the 10 commandments given to Moses are a fundamental part of the law of Moses.

today it is a sin the transgress the 10 commandments.
do you believe it is not a sin when
You kill, when you commit adultery, when you steal, when you bear false witness against thy neighbour?
Of course it is sin to kill, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness etc.. Nobody said it wasn't sin. We are not under the 10 commandments as a unit (with all the rules, regulations, death penalties etc..) under the law of Moses. We are under a new covenant.

If this law is void today we are not guilty of sin and have no need of salvation.
Misguided teachers of the law always jump to that straw man argument. The moral law that is reiterated under the new covenant is not void. Also, in Galatians 3:24-26, we read, Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. We are not under the law of Moses.

Jesus did not make the 10 commandments void. Jesus paid the price of transgressing this law.
Again, the 10 commandments under the law of Moses (with all the rules, regulations, death penalties etc..) attached to them are not binding on the body of Christ under the new covenant.

Please consider the following thought...

As sinners we are covered in sores and we need to acknowledge our condition.
The best way to see our sores is to look in a mirror. The mirror is the Ten commandments.

Is the mirror the problem and if we destroy the mirror will the sin problem dissappear? No. The mirror just reveals our condition. The mirror can not help our condition and we will not fix our sores by touching the mirror.. but the mirror helps us to realize our need and we can then go to the saviour.
Once again, see Galatians 3:24-26. Also see Romans 3:23; 6:23.

You can remove the 10 commandments and feel like you are clean but the truth is that you are are still sick and need Jesus to help you.
The law of Moses was given to Israel.

The law is what helps us to know where we need help.
Hello! - Galatians 3:24-26.

The devil hates the mirror or 10 commandments because when it is removed people don't see any need to repent and be converted.
The law was our tutor. The devil hates the cross of Christ/the gospel. (1 Corinthians 1:18-21; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4)
 
If the law of Moses bears the same status to men today, in terms of it binding, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if Jesus did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ and remains as a binding legal system for today then it is not just partially binding, but totally binding. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” would pass away until all was fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the law, all of the law and not just part of it. We cannot say that Jesus merely fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the rest of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it.

Your definition of "fulfill the law" is clearly not in line with the true meaning....

G4137
Original: πληρόω
plēroō

Phonetic: play-ro'-o
Thayer Definition
:
  1. to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
    1. to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
      1. I abound, I am liberally supplied
  2. to render full, i.e. to complete
    1. to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
    2. to consummate: a number
      1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
      2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
    3. to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise
      1. of matters of duty: to perform, execute
      2. of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish
      3. to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfillment.

Strong's Definition: From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

Jesus came to fulfill.... if it was to bring it to a point were it is void and end, why did Jesus live the law and teach the law and uplift the law even higher then people understood.
If it was coming to nothing why promote it and teach it.

Are you teaching that Jesus lived to 10 commandments so that they are no longer relevant in anyone's life afterwards?

So.... Jesus was the fullness of the law and the complete example
Or.... He lived the law to bring it to an end.

I know what the Bible teachers.
 
So the Holy Spirit just sits and what? watches? The law is not a part of salvation. Jesus is salvation. Do you have a guilty conscience?

I never said the law can save

The law has no power to save but ....
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. Rom 7:7-9.

The Holy Spirit convicts and moves the heart. Like a light it shines on us revealing what was not seen in darkness.

Jesus saves but if there is no law there is no sin.

What does Jesus need to save you from.

And when Jesus saves does He just save us from the guilt of past sins or does He save us from sinning today and tomorrow

1 John 3:3-6 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
 
So, love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10) and out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

So it comes down to that one commandment .... if this commandment was not in the 10 you could agree that the 10 commandments still apply today.

But because of the one commandment that God gave at creation and said to remember you need to make all the 10 commandments void and reestablish the 9 others under the law of love.

I simply see the 10 moral laws as always being part of the law of love and that if God knew that only 9 would be reiterated in the new covenant, I think He would have given only 9 moral commandments on stone.

God is a God of order.

He placed the cerimonial laws in a different place to the moral laws. And wrote the 10 commandments with His own finger in stone.

Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: .....

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Luk 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The Lord of the sabbath in the old testament is also the Lord of the sabbath in the new Testament..

Jesus is Lord of the sabbath
 
Your definition of "fulfill the law" is clearly not in line with the true meaning....

G4137
Original: πληρόω
plēroō

Phonetic: play-ro'-o
Thayer Definition
:
  1. to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
    1. to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
      1. I abound, I am liberally supplied
  2. to render full, i.e. to complete
    1. to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
    2. to consummate: a number
      1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
      2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
    3. to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise
      1. of matters of duty: to perform, execute
      2. of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish
      3. to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfillment.
Strong's Definition: From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.
Jesus fulfilled the law not by abolishing it, but by perfectly living out its requirements and completing its purpose. Why are you so obsessed with the law since you don't believe that the law can save? I know SDA's who are also obsessed with the law but they "add" obeying the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment) to salvation through faith.

Jesus came to fulfill.... if it was to bring it to a point were it is void and end, why did Jesus live the law and teach the law and uplift the law even higher then people understood.
If it was coming to nothing why promote it and teach it.
Jesus taught the law to the Israelites who were under the law. (Deuteronomy 5:1-15) Jesus was also under the law.

Galatians 4:4 - But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

Are you teaching that Jesus lived to 10 commandments so that they are no longer relevant in anyone's life afterwards?
They are no longer relevant under the old covenant of law. Are you an Israelite who is still under the old covenant of law? How many people have you stoned to death for committing adultery or not keeping the sabbath day? You sound like you have one foot in the new covenant and one foot still in the old covenant.

So.... Jesus was the fullness of the law and the complete example
Or.... He lived the law to bring it to an end.
The new covenant is not the old covenant repackaged. Jesus' life and sacrificial death completed the law's requirements, therefore establishing a new covenant based on faith and providing redemption. Jesus met the law's righteous demands on behalf of mankind and introduced a higher standard of righteousness that is rooted in love and a new heart.

I know what the Bible teachers.
Not completely when it comes to the law. (Matthew 9:16-17)
 
(2) In acknowledgement of the names of Elohim - and to the many wonderful revelations of our Creator throughout the scriptures and the marvelous way our Father portrays His attributes through His expressed names. SELAH! However that is not the focus of my concern. The origins of the translated titles and names are what I raise objection to. I will attempt to explain my understanding and reasoning as best I can.
(3) To those of you whom claim knowledge of the scriptures you should be able to research the data I provide. The internet may help those who do not have previous time in scripture.
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(4) Concerning the TITLE ‘ELOHIM,’ A.B. Traina in his preface to the Holy Name Bible says, "The characteristic appellation of the Most High "ELOHIM" has been substituted for the Assyrian deity Gawd, or God in English, and is repudiated by YAHWEH in Isaiah 65:11 which reads as follows, "But you are they that forsake YAHWEH, that forget My Holy mountain, and furnish a table for God, and furnish a drink offering to Meni." (Holy Name Bible) The Cambridge Edition, KJV, says ‘troop,’ but the margin says ‘Gad’ (many still furnish a drink offering- a toast for ‘good luck’ - Good Fortune - and a table for feasting on New Years and other occasions.)
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(5) Hastings a Bible Dictionary, Vol.2 p. 76: Gad (Fortuna)-... the God of good luck...the god, Gad as 'fortune,' seems to illustrate the origin of the old Pers. word for "God" baga.
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(6) The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol . 5, p. 544; The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. 2 p 335; Smiths Dictionary of the Bible: All define Gad as the deity of fortune, some even making reference to BAAL-GAD (the Lord God), a heathen city which Joshua destroyed (Joshua 11:17 12:7). Even Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance, a most conventional work, admits that the Hebrew word for which God is used is Elohim (p. 12 of Hebrew dictionary, entry no. 430). ‘God’ doesn't even resemble "Elohim" and, God is not contained in the names of the prophets as Elohim is. Look up Elohim in any unabridged dictionary to see that it is the true Title of YHWH.
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(7) The importance of a name in the Hebrew culture is evident throughout the scriptures- Solomon - peaceable - never saw war in his entire reign: Nable - fool - was foolish enough to reject David's servants, and of him Abigail said, as his name is, so is he; Nable is his name, and folly is with him. In fact the name of every Israelite contained a revelation of the person himself.
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(8),Much more so the Divine Name YHWH is filled with deep, vital, memorable revelation of the Supreme Being, and His relation to His creation. The Name, YHWH, very basically is translated to be I AM, or HE WHO IS, but the nature of the Hebrew language is such that one word, especially the Name of the Creator, is more realistically an expression or a revelation than a word that can be defined by a simple word or two in another language. Hence, the meaning of the Name YHWH can only be experienced through the personal knowledge of Him, and we can barely skim the surface with such definitions as these: HE WHO is; the Creator of all that comes into existence; The Self-existent Sovereign Who rides upon the wings of the wind; HE WHO was, and is, and is to come, the Beginning and the Ending; the Almighty; The Righteousness; The Rock; Unmovable, Immortal, Eternal; WHO stretches forth the heavens Alone; and knows no other Majesty besides Himself; The King of kings and Ruler of rulers; The Savior; The Redeemer; The Holy One; The only true Elohim. All these thoughts, and much more, are expressed in the Name YHWH.
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(9)FOREVER AND THIS IS MY MEMORIAL UNTO ALL GENERATIONS. (Exodus 3:13-15)
(10) The fact that YHWH is the name that Elohim declared to Moses and has since, in most versions of the Bible, been supplanted by the degenerate and degrading titles, ‘LORD’, 'GOD' and 'JEHOVAH', is virtually undisputed by biblical authorities; (Although I don't use these titles, references are quoted 'as is' for exactness.) is the so-called Tetragrammation, YHWH (__THE DISTINCTIVE PERSONAL NAME OF THE GOD OF ISRAEL. This form is commonly represented in modern translations by the form 'JEHOVAH' WHICH HOWEVER, IS A PHILOLOGICAL (grammatical, linguistic, and historical) IMPOSSIBILITY (see JEHOVAH)
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(11) The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. 9, p. 160: Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823 times) is the so-called Tetragrammation, YHWH (____THE DISTINCTIVE PERSONAL NAME OF THE GOD OF ISRAEL. This form is commonly represented in modern translations by the form 'JEHOVAH' WHICH HOWEVER, IS A PHILOLOGICAL (grammatical, linguistic, and historical) IMPOSSIBILITY (See JEHOVAH).
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(12) The New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 14, p. 1065; YAHWEH - THE FULL AND PROPER NAME OF THE LORD OF ISRAEL, written with four consonants, YHWH,
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(13) A Roman Catholic publication, The Jerome Biblical Commentary, p. 50, Sec. 12: 'In answer to Moses' question regarding His Name, God replies with the celebrated I AM WHO I AM (Ex. 3:14). THIS STATEMENT IS CERTAINLY THE OCCASION FOR THE DIVINE TITLE YAHWEH.” The authors also proclaim the Names' properly written form, YHWH.
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(14) And others coincide:
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(15) Douglas the New Bible Dictionary, p. 478: STRICTLY SPEAKING, YAHWEH IS THE ONLY 'NAME OF GOD' in Genesis, wherever the word sem (name) is associated with the Divine Being, YAHWEH...CONCERNING WHICH ELOHIM SAYS, THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER." (Ex. 3:15) Douglas also lists the correct spelling of The Name as YAWH.
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(16) The New Westminster Dictionary of the Bible, p. 454: “JEHOVAH - The common English pronunciation of the Tetragrammation, YHWH, one of the Names of God (Ex. 17:15).” Webster defines 'common' in part as "Ceremonial unclean, unsanctified."
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(17) The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. 2, p. 409: THE COVENANT NAME YAHWEH; The disclosure of God's Name is inseparable from the historical experience in which the Divine presence and purpose we're revealed to Israel. According to tradition, the personal Name YAHWEH was introduced to Moses at the time of the Exodus...IN THE EARLIEST HEBREW THE NAME APPEARED AS A FOUR LETTER WORD OR TETRAGRAMMATION: YHWH (___) without any vowel signs.
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(18) Brandon, Dictionary of Comparative Religion, p.655; YAHWEH (Yahveh) - PERSONAL NAME OF GOD OF ISRAEL...The Name in Hebrew was written in consonants only, UHVA. - We feel led to use the spelling YHWH and the overwhelming majority of scholars agree. We believe the "V" came in through other cultures once Israel was scattered, and did not exist in the original Hebrew. This view coincides with the name of many Israelites which indicate this pronunciation: with Greek manuscripts which render this pronunciation laoye (laoue) or laovai (Iaouai); and even Samaritan poetry in which words used to rhyme with __ are pronounced as YAHWEH. (The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. 9 p.161; Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible Vol. 2, p. 409)
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(19) The New English Bible, footnote to Ex. 3:15, p.75 The Hebrew consonants are YHWH, probably pronounced as YAHWEH but TRADITIONALLY read JEHOVAH. "Full well ye reject the commandment of YHWH, that ye may keep YOUR OWN TRADITION." (Mk. 79)
(20) Holy Bible, Revised Standard Version, Ex. 3:15, footnote f: "The word 'LORD' when spelled with capital letters stands for the Divine Name YHWH, which is here connected with the verb hayah, to be.” YHWH, pronounced YAHWEH, is "almost, if not quite, certain" the original Name, although this knowledge is ignored throughout the translation.
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(21) Even many editions of the KJV have marginal references and footnotes to Ex. 3:15 proclaiming YHWH to be the unadulterated name of the Most High.
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(22) Consider also the names of the children of Israel, multitudes of which declare the Name of their Father by containing a portion of His Name, or of His title, Elohim:

PLUS SO MUCH MORE THAN 1000 CHARACTERS WILL ALLOW FROM YOUR CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS. BUT IM NOT CHRISTIAN SO ILL LEAVE IT TO YOU.
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So many words and no answers to my questions, which again were:

What name do you think Jesus called his followers?
Or what term do you use for your beliefs?
Do you think Christians should be called "sheep"?!
I see you are NOT a Christian, so what ARE you?
 
Jesus fulfilled the law not by abolishing it, but by perfectly living out its requirements and completing its purpose. Why are you so obsessed with the law since you don't believe that the law can save? I know SDA's who are also obsessed with the law but they "add" obeying the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment) to salvation through faith.

Jesus taught the law to the Israelites who were under the law. (Deuteronomy 5:1-15) Jesus was also under the law.

Galatians 4:4 - But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

They are no longer relevant under the old covenant of law. Are you an Israelite who is still under the old covenant of law? How many people have you stoned to death for committing adultery or not keeping the sabbath day? You sound like you have one foot in the new covenant and one foot still in the old covenant.

The new covenant is not the old covenant repackaged. Jesus' life and sacrificial death completed the law's requirements, therefore establishing a new covenant based on faith and providing redemption. Jesus met the law's righteous demands on behalf of mankind and introduced a higher standard of righteousness that is rooted in love and a new heart.

Not completely when it comes to the law. (Matthew 9:16-17)
So many words and no answers to my questions, which again were:

What name do you think Jesus called his followers?
Or what term do you use for your beliefs?
Do you think Christians should be called "sheep"?!
I see you are NOT a Christian, so what ARE you?

GWH, what's happening here?
 
The new covenant is not the old covenant repackaged. Jesus' life and sacrificial death completed the law's requirements, therefore establishing a new covenant based on faith and providing redemption. Jesus met the law's righteous demands on behalf of mankind and introduced a higher standard of righteousness that is rooted in love and a new heart.
Are you teaching that we are released from keeping the 10 commandments because Jesus did? Are you saying we don't need to keep the 10 commandments because Jesus did?
Are you saying we have no obligation to obey the law of God because of the imputed righteousness of Christ?

Christ's imputed righteousness are not a cloak for us to hide sin and practice lawlessness and iniquity.

At the start (the first post) the point was made the new covenant dose not exclude the 10 commandments.

They are very much part of the new covenant,
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

We are the house of Israel and the law should be written in our hearts.

All 10 of them.

Law and grace do not work in competition with each other but in perfect cooperation. The law points out sin, and grace saves from sin. The law is the will of God, and grace is the power to do the will of God. We do not obey the law in order to be saved but because we are saved.

It isn't because I have one foot in the new and one in the old, it is because I do not believe grace and works are opposed to each other, or that salvation has changed in any way. Grace and works go hand in hand with each other and the conditions for salvation have not changed.