The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[vassal]

What about it?

simply that God asks everyone who love him to obey his voice just like a parent wanting what is best for their children. God wants us to keep his Commandments from the heart with love.

 

[vassal]

Exactly why human beings cannot EVER keep it as God gave it. You actually post the truth but then twist it according to your own unbiblical understanding.

Do you believe God gave us an impossible task? WHy would also Jesus teach to keep the commandments if they were impossible to follow, where did you get this silly idea from ? dont you trust God? when jesus ascended to heaven, all authority on earth and Heaven was given to him. Jesus said clearly that he would send the comforter to help, this is why he came, to save us all.

John 14:16–17
“And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever, the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.”

John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.”

John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.”

John 16:7
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.”

John 16:13
“However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth…”

Alone we can do nothing ,but By God's love, Grace and Holy Spirit that Jesus asks the father to send us, we can.

 

[Me_Clay]

That's not the gospel

 

[Hungerpain]

The law is written in the hearts of those awakened by the Holy Ghost and it is called grace. Nothing in that scripture denies a "new covenant"

read Jeremiah 31:31-34 very carefully word by word and explain it to me in accordance to the context Jeremiah explains it. then we will discuss.

Blessings friend. I am not led to explain Jeremiah or any other scriptures. No disrespect. I am led to "witnesses" to that which affects the children of Elohim in our day. The "two witnesses" which is the description of our purpose and responsibility for our times to those whom have ears and eyes to see. We are 5+- years into the Great Tribulation. I am not a scholar or preacher just a lowly sinner trusting in the sacrifice HOSHUA Mashiach made for his people. The events we are witnessing attest to our times. Peace.

 

[GWH]

The law is written in the hearts of those awakened by the Holy Ghost and it is called grace. Nothing in that scripture denies a "new covenant"

Blessings friend. I am not led to explain Jeremiah or any other scriptures. No disrespect. I am led to "witnesses" to that which affects the children of Elohim in our day. The "two witnesses" which is the description of our purpose and responsibility for our times to those whom have ears and eyes to see. We are 5+- years into the Great Tribulation. I am not a scholar or preacher just a lowly sinner trusting in the sacrifice HOSHUA Mashiach made for his people. The events we are witnessing attest to our times. Peace.

Your profile says you are not a Christian, but you say that you trust in HOSHUA Mashiach.
If that is not the NT Messiah/Christ Jesus, whom and what new covenant/NT do you mean?

 

[vassal]

The law is written in the hearts of those awakened by the Holy Ghost and it is called grace. Nothing in that scripture denies a "new covenant"

Blessings friend. I am not led to explain Jeremiah or any other scriptures. No disrespect. I am led to "witnesses" to that which affects the children of Elohim in our day. The "two witnesses" which is the description of our purpose and responsibility for our times to those whom have ears and eyes to see. We are 5+- years into the Great Tribulation. I am not a scholar or preacher just a lowly sinner trusting in the sacrifice HOSHUA Mashiach made for his people. The events we are witnessing attest to our times. Peace.

Then explain how you define the new covenant, what does it contain exactly, i always ask this question as many do not know as simple as that, are you messianic?

 

[Hungerpain]

Then explain how you define the new covenant, what does it contain exactly, i always ask this question as many do not know as simple as that, are you messianic?

The 'new' is the fulfillment of the 'old' sown in the hearts of the children of faith in HOSHUA Mashiach. Written not on parchment but alive written by the Holy Spirit in our hearts. Whom has the ability to keep us in all things according to the will of Elohim.

 

[vassal]

That's not the gospel

no i was replying to another person. would you like for me to write about the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the son of God?

 

[vassal]

The 'new' is the fulfillment of the 'old' sown in the hearts of the children of faith in HOSHUA Mashiach. Written not on parchment but alive written by the Holy Spirit in our hearts. Whom has the ability to keep us in all things according to the will of Elohim.

true, not many people know this.

 

[Hungerpain]

Your profile says you are not a Christian, but you say that you trust in HOSHUA Mashiach.
If that is not the NT Messiah/Christ Jesus, whom and what new covenant/NT
Very important question.
1. The name Christian, Christianity, is a name universally adopted in all diversities of churches and sect.


2. It is, however, never given of Elohim to His Church; but is a name covering all error of doctrine and all corruption of morals, used by the devil and his children to push out of sight the true names and doctrines and marks of the church of Elohim. (A bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit. There is no light with darkness).
Therefore in all the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, the term ‘Christianity’ is never used, and “Christian” only three times; and that by the enemies of Elohim, as we shall see. The prophets never used it. The Holy Ghost who moved them to speak, never mentioned it; and though bringing up all the names of the church---His “sheep,” “His own elect,” “children of Elohim”, His “chosen,” “Elohim’s elect,” “Israel,” “Judah,” “Jerusalem,” etc.---Christ never used it. Indeed He was up in glory some nine years when it was first given (A.D.41) as a nickname to the saints of Elohim---“The disciples were called Christians first in Antioch” (Acts xi 26).

3. That city of Antioch was a center of the church’s assemblage out of Jerusalem; and, as the Elect met on the Sabbath for worship, they were hooted, and groaned at, and stoned, and called, as “a sect everywhere spoken against” (Acts xxviii. 22); and derided as followers of a new leader of a new religion, a fanatic multitude of Jews and Pagans, ignorant of ‘the Elohim of Israel,” as at this day. The word, Christianity, is never, as we said mentioned in the Bible, and that of Christian only three times. First in Antioch, as we said, A.D.41, after Christ had, nine years before, gone to glory. Secondly, by the ignorant, and lustful, and bloodthirsty Herod Agrippa, twenty years afterwards, A.D. 62---Herod the son of Esau, the hereditary enemy of Christ and His people, and who, ignorant of his guilty nature, said to Paul, “Almost thou persuades me to become a Christian” (Acts xxvi. 28); Herod who based his religion on his own debased carnal will as to whether he would be persuaded or not to change his soul, to know and love Elohim! That ignorance of Herod Agrippa and of the Pharisees of Antioch, Peter takes up to comfort the elect as “Partakers of the sufferings of Christ” in being called “Christians” (I Peter iv. 12-14); and not to mind the nickname which dishonored the Father, and the Holy Ghost whom He had exalted in the first chapter; but to delight in their own proper name--:”Elect” (chap. i. 1-3). The nickname, “Christian,” also dishonored Christ Himself as severing Him from the Trinity with whom he is joined throughout the Bible, and as though He had come in His own name—“Christ,” to set up a new sect, and call it after His own name—Christian, Christianity: the very thing Christ abjured in His conflict with the Jews—“I am come in the name of My Father, and ye receive me not” (John v). If Christ had called His disciples after His own name, Christians, and set up a church, and called it “Christianity,” then it would destroy the names of the church which the Holy Ghost had given it for four thousand years up to Christ’s coming; and He would, indeed, be the founder and leader of a new sect, with new ordinances and rites, as they falsely assert; but a rebel against Elohim, His Father, as well as being guilty of the sin against the Holy Ghost, who has quickened and given its names to the church.

4. The origin of the offensive nickname was, therefore in Esau’s progeny, Herod Agrippa; and the rowdy Jews at Antioch; and the devil took advantage of it, and thence raised the “heresy” that Christ founded a new religion, and “instituted” new ordinances, and rites, and sacraments or signs, because He explained to His twelve disciples, being Jews, that the Jewish Passover, its bread and its wine, till He came were types of His one Passover for His elect (I Cor. V.), and told them to carry it on as it had been from Moses:- the Jewish feast of Passover, its bread and its wine, till he came (till I come”), as He said, to destroy Jerusalem, the only “place” appointed for feasts of sight and sense (Deut. xvi.)—“No more at Jerusalem, nor yet in this mountain” (John iv.22); which thing He did forty years after (Matt. Xvi. 21; John xxi. 22; and I Cor. Xi. 19-28), and burned the city of the murderers, and left not one stone upon another, as related (Matt. Xxi. 33-41). Then “the letter” (Acts xv, xxi) was sent out to “the saints” as to ordinances—“As touching THE GENTILES WHICH BELIEVE WE HAVE WRITTEN AND CONCLUDED THAT THEY OBSERVE NO SUCH THING” (Acts xxi. 25), because Christ had nailed them to His cross (Eph. Ii, 15; Col. Ii. 14, etc.) The observance of ordinances, therefore, of a worldly sanctuary, its tables, and alters, and bread and wine, and official priests, their dresses—and paraphernalia, “victuals, shekels, and apparel” in their reformed and unreformed man-millinery, their “Lords suppers” and “Masses,” square and round bits of baker’s bread, makes up the name Christian, Christianity, as they carry it on in brick and stone buildings, in which Elohim declares He does not dwell—“Elohim that made the world….dwelleth not in temples made with hands; neither is worshipped by men’s hands” (Acts vii. 48; Acts xvii. 24). And, as Satan put out of sight the precious name “saints” to put in its stead the meaningless name, Christian, he drags forward and fills the face of the world with buildings of stone and brick, churches and cathedrals, musical and sensuous delights; so he puts out of sight, tramples underfoot the saints, the temples of the Holy Ghost”; and over whom, as he guards us from their sacrilege—“if any man pollute the temple of Elohim, him will Elohim destroy” (I Cor. Vi.)—What agreement hath the temple of Elohim with idols, For ye are the temple of the living Elohim” (2 Cor. Vi. 16)—“saints.” And not only do they rob us of our names, saints and temples of Elohim; but they actually and more impiously, these wicked Christians, christen their brick and mortar synagogues of Satan, and give them the names of Popish dead saints---Cyprian, Dominic, and Frances, and Bridget, but mix up with them some of Elohim’s saints gone to glory—Jude, and James, and Paul, and Peter; and more wicked still, “All Saints,”—when it is “All devils” in their doctrine, and play acting, and lives: Wounds and bruises and putrefying sores, neither bound up, nor mollified with ointment. The whole head sick, and the whole heart faint, as was the Jewish carcass in its day, so in ours, the carcass dressed for the shambles—“Christianity,” as delineated throughout our book of Revelation, - “And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass and stone, and of wood; which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: neither they repented of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts” (Rev/ ix. 20,21); as emphasized by Christ Himself—“Where the carcass is there will the eagles be gathered together” to devour it (Matt xxiv. 28; Rev. xi 8) “The supper of the eternal justice of the great Elohim” (Rev. xix.).
The information I must relay to you about our Savior and his name is volumous and for a deeper dive.

 

[pinebeach]

You say that those who keep the commandments are cursed, but this is not what Jesus taught. Jesus never cursed anyone for keeping the commandments. Instead He praised obedience and told His followers to keep God’s words. He said, "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17). He also said, "Whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother" (Matthew 12:50). Jesus never separated love from obedience.
You say the commandments are not part of the new covenant, but God Himself said the opposite through the prophet Jeremiah. He promised that in the new covenant He would write His law in our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33). Jesus came to make this covenant real in us. He said He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it, and that "whoever does and teaches them" will be called great in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:17 and 19).
You also claim that those who obey God have “their own gospel,” yet Jesus taught that true faith produces obedience. He said, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him" (John 14:23). Jesus speaks of obedience as the natural fruit of love, not a curse.
You ask if God ever congratulated anyone without Jesus. The truth is that Jesus Himself praised people who obeyed God before He even died for them. He said of Nathanael, "Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!" (John 1:47). He praised the centurion’s faith as greater than all He had seen in Israel (Matthew 8:10). None of these examples show God rejecting people who obeyed Him. Instead Jesus honored sincere hearts that listened to God.
Nothing in the words of Jesus teaches that people who keep God’s commandments are cursed. He said the opposite. He warned against lawlessness, and He taught us that those who build their lives on His words are like a house on rock (Matthew 7:24 to 27). The curse is not on obedience. The curse is on rejecting God’s voice.
Jesus never twisted the gospel. He made it very simple. Love God. Keep His words. Believe in the One He sent. Live the truth. This is the gospel He preached, and His teaching stands above every other opinion.

now look at the verses below does it look like like paul is describing the law or commandments as a curse?
Romans 7:12
“Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.”

Romans 3:31
“Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not. On the contrary, we establish the law.”

Romans 7:14
“For we know that the law is spiritual.”

Romans 8:3–4
God sent His Son “that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but

Romans 13:8–10
“For the commandments… are summed up in this saying, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ Love is the fulfillment of the law.”

Corinthians 7:19
“Keeping the commandments of God is what matters.”

Romans 2:13
“Not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.”

Galatians 3:24
“The law was our tutor to bring us to Christ.”

Ephesians 6:2–3
Honor your father and mother… which is the first commandment with promise.”

Romans 6:1–2, 12
Do not let sin rule in your body.

Do you see the error of what you speak of? The curse Paul speaks of is that sin leads to death! Paul is nor speaking of the law or commandments. also in other verses He is speaking about the old system of sacrifices, ceremonies, and the earthly covenant at Sinai which could not change the heart.

You take verses out of context to create your version of the gospel and then create a misleading collage of human understanding. It's been done before and probably will be done again. You do not comprehend the purpose of the law, the reason it was given or the fact that those who continue to believe the law is part of salvation have insulted God by adding to His actual solution regarding sin and the resulting death for those who practice it.

You have been given excellent teaching on what the Bible actually states; what you misrepresent so very badly. I have hardly touched on what the Bible states but it does not matter as others have provided you will careful and accurate representation.

 

[Me_Clay]

You take verses out of context to create your version of the gospel and then create a misleading collage of human understanding. It's been done before and probably will be done again. You do not comprehend the purpose of the law, the reason it was given or the fact that those who continue to believe the law is part of salvation have insulted God by adding to His actual solution regarding sin and the resulting death for those who practice it.

You have been given excellent teaching on what the Bible actually states; what you misrepresent so very badly. I have hardly touched on what the Bible states but it does not matter as others have provided you will careful and accurate representation.

Yeah, I'm trying my best to understand Vassal.

 

[pinebeach]

true, not many people know this.

Not many people know what? How to twist scripture to the point that unless a sure foundation in Christ has already been secured, they might fall prey to your non-Biblical mashup? Leading others astray through spiritual error resulting in spiritual darkness is not being led of God. There are many spirits gone out into this world and some are 'teaching' spirits (that scripture speaks of). These are evil and lead people into error all the while telling them that they are special and not many have achieved the level of understanding they have.

That's what we have going on here. Teaching and seducing spirits leading all who give their ear to them astray.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, I Timothy 4:1

 

[pinebeach]

You say that those who keep the commandments are cursed, but this is not what Jesus taught.

That's not what I said. It seems you cannot keep straight what others say, never mind scripture. I don't think you are honestly interested in an actual conversation. People who constantly twist what others say, either have bad comprehension (possible) or they cannot defend on what has been presented by the other person (likely in this case with a smattering of bad comprehension)

People can read what I actually posted as well as the actual scripture that accompanies it and then they can look at your untruthful response. Facts.

 

[vassal]

You take verses out of context to create your version of the gospel and then create a misleading collage of human understanding. It's been done before and probably will be done again. You do not comprehend the purpose of the law, the reason it was given or the fact that those who continue to believe the law is part of salvation have insulted God by adding to His actual solution regarding sin and the resulting death for those who practice it.

You have been given excellent teaching on what the Bible actually states; what you misrepresent so very badly. I have hardly touched on what the Bible states but it does not matter as others have provided you will careful and accurate representation.

prove what you say give me just one one example! and lets see! it is easy to say someone is wrong but i want you to prove it.

all i write is accompanied with scripture not many do this but I do.

 

[pinebeach]

simply that God asks everyone who love him to obey his voice just like a parent wanting what is best for their children. God wants us to keep his Commandments from the heart with love.

The trouble begins when someone like you and in fact actually you at this moment, do NOT reflect God's voice by twisting His word and creating a bogus gospel.

 

[pinebeach]

prove what you say give me just one one example! and lets see! it is easy to say someone is wrong but i want you to prove it.

all i write is accompanied with scripture not many do this but I do.

Oh don't even. The devil quotes scripture too in a way to deceive. Before you report me, I am not saying you are the devil or you follow the devil. I AM saying, though, that anyone on this planet can quote scripture and be horribly off base. That is what you are doing. My proof? The entire Bible which does not say what you say it does.

I don't see why on earth I have to answer any question you ask since you have IGNORED everyone else's questions to you and just skipped over or twisted any scripture already given that proves you to be w r o n g.

 

[pinebeach]

all i write is accompanied with scripture not many do this but I do.

That's not at all true. Not many post scripture? Either have your eyes checked or change the prescription cause your glasses are not working.

 

[pinebeach]

Yeah, I'm trying my best to understand Vassal.

Save yourself a headache. He is confusing at best and outright dangerous at worse. The commandments are not a part of the gospel.
He consistently cherry picks verses and tries to create what he thinks is true and then says that not many understand. Now he says not many post scripture with what they say. Both of those statements from him are false.

The only way to understand him, is to understand what scripture really says and then you will understand he does NOT represent the actual gospel. Oh I know he's all polite and stuff, but that's a part of the packaging. His words will lead a person into error.

 

[vassal]

Not many people know what? How to twist scripture to the point that unless a sure foundation in Christ has already been secured, they might fall prey to your non-Biblical mashup? Leading others astray through spiritual error resulting in spiritual darkness is not being led of God. There are many spirits gone out into this world and some are 'teaching' spirits (that scripture speaks of). These are evil and lead people into error all the while telling them that they are special and not many have achieved the level of understanding they have.

That's what we have going on here. Teaching and seducing spirits leading all who give their ear to them astray.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, I Timothy 4:1

You accuse others of twisting Scripture, but you reject the very words of God spoken through His prophets and confirmed by His Son. Jeremiah 31:31 to 33 comes from God Himself. It is not a strange teaching and it is not darkness. It is the promise of God written hundreds of years before Christ came, and Jesus Himself showed that this promise was fulfilled in Him.
The new covenant is not a mystery for only a few. God never said it would be hidden. God spoke it openly through Jeremiah, and Jesus spoke it openly again when He gave the cup and said, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28 NKJV). If Jesus calls it the new covenant, then no one has the right to say it is something else.
You speak of spirits that deceive, but Jesus already told us how to test the truth. He said that His sheep hear His voice, and that the truth makes people free. He warned that false teachers reject God’s commandments and break them, and they teach others to do the same. He said, “Whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19 NKJV). Anyone who attacks the new covenant of God or denies the commandments He writes on the heart is not standing with Christ.
You claim that teaching Jeremiah 31 is darkness, even though God Himself spoke it. So the real danger is not from those who repeat God’s promise, but from those who refuse to listen to it. Jesus said, “He who is of God hears God’s words”(John 8:47 NKJV). If someone rejects the words of God in Jeremiah, they are not rejecting a man, they are rejecting God’s own voice.
The new covenant does not come from pride or secret knowledge. It comes from God’s mercy. He said, “I will forgive their sin and remember it no more.” He said, “I will put My law in their minds and write it on their hearts.” This is not a doctrine of devils. It is the promise of God, and Jesus confirmed it with His own blood.
When you accuse the promise of God of being deception, you speak against what the Lord Himself has spoken. That is not light. That is not truth. Jesus warned of people who claim to defend faith while rejecting His own teaching. He said, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God” (Matthew 22:29 NKJV).
Instead of attacking God’s words, humble yourself before them. The new covenant is not darkness. It is the mercy of God revealed through Christ. It is the work of God written in the heart. And rejecting it is rejecting the very gift that Jesus died to give.
This is the truth, and all who belong to Jesus will recognize His voice in it.

Like I said prove to me there I am wrong give me an example and lets verify against scripture where i am wrong. until you do I will not answer you anymore.