How do we distinguish false Christ & false Prophets according to Our Lord?

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It's to be expected. He suffers from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome. :rolleyes:

Actually OSAS is doctrines of demons according to God's Word.

One way we know YOU are very worried about it is you keep getting all uptight about trying to defend the false doctrines you espouse.

If you really believed OSAS was true you'd be like "yeah, whatever" and move on.

The tares have to continually keep themselves talked in to believing their fake gospel so they can keep themselves and their fellow tares convinced. It's quite the clown show actually crazy.gif
 
Actually OSAS is doctrines of demons according to God's Word.

One way we know YOU are very worried about it is you keep getting all uptight about trying to defend the false doctrines you espouse.

If you really believed OSAS was true you'd be like "yeah, whatever" and move on.

The tares have to continually keep themselves talked in to believing their fake gospel so they can keep themselves and their fellow tares convinced. It's quite the clown show actually View attachment 282080
You are quite the clown show and how many times do you plan of getting banned from Christian Chat then returning again under a new avatar name against forum rules? You really need to find a new hobby.
 
It's in the book of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome, chapter straw man argument, verse slander.

The only derangement going on is by those who claim it's not possible to lose salvation when God's Word clearly teaches it is.

This all came from reformed theology which came out of mysticism claiming man does not have free will

That's the part you fail to understand from scripture

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

The camp you claim to be in says we can deny the Lord and turn away from Him and still be saved! clueless-doh.gif
 
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OSAS is what the Valentinian gnostics believed

"But as to themselves, they hold that they shall be entirely and undoubtedly saved, not by means of conduct, but because they are spiritual by nature. For, just as it is impossible that material substance should partake of salvation (since, indeed, they maintain that it is incapable of receiving it), so again it is impossible that spiritual substance (by which they mean themselves) should ever come under the power of corruption, whatever the sort of actions in which they indulged. For even as gold, when submersed in filth, loses not on that account its beauty, but retains its own native qualities, the filth having no power to injure the gold, so they affirm that they cannot in any measure suffer hurt, or lose their spiritual substance, whatever the material actions in which they may be involved. "​
Against Heresies, Book 1, Chapter 6, paragraph 2​
 
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OSAS is what the Valentinian gnostics believed

"But as to themselves, they hold that they shall be entirely and undoubtedly saved, not by means of conduct, but because they are spiritual by nature. For, just as it is impossible that material substance should partake of salvation (since, indeed, they maintain that it is incapable of receiving it), so again it is impossible that spiritual substance (by which they mean themselves) should ever come under the power of corruption, whatever the sort of actions in which they indulged. For even as gold, when submersed in filth, loses not on that account its beauty, but retains its own native qualities, the filth having no power to injure the gold, so they affirm that they cannot in any measure suffer hurt, or lose their spiritual substance, whatever the material actions in which they may be involved. "Against Heresies, Book 1, Chapter 6, paragraph 2

Yep, it definitely came from the gnostics
 
OSAS is what the Valentinian gnostics believed

"But as to themselves, they hold that they shall be entirely and undoubtedly saved, not by means of conduct, but because they are spiritual by nature. For, just as it is impossible that material substance should partake of salvation (since, indeed, they maintain that it is incapable of receiving it), so again it is impossible that spiritual substance (by which they mean themselves) should ever come under the power of corruption, whatever the sort of actions in which they indulged. For even as gold, when submersed in filth, loses not on that account its beauty, but retains its own native qualities, the filth having no power to injure the gold, so they affirm that they cannot in any measure suffer hurt, or lose their spiritual substance, whatever the material actions in which they may be involved. "​
Against Heresies, Book 1, Chapter 6, paragraph 2​

It appears Ireneaus did not understand the Gospel either.
 
The only derangement going on is by those who claim it's not possible to lose salvation when God's Word clearly teaches it is.

This all came from reformed theology which came out of mysticism claiming man does not have free will

That's the part you fail to understand from scripture

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

The camp you claim to be in says we can deny the Lord and turn away from Him and still be saved! View attachment 282087

Free will is not the issue btw, we do not will our salvation.
 
I never said HE did if you read what I said. I said man is incapable of knowing all there is to know about God outside of the means to which HE provided to us to know him.
Sorry, you are right! you did not claim it. I dont know how I came to this. Apologize please
 
The only derangement going on is by those who claim it's not possible to lose salvation when God's Word clearly teaches it is.

This all came from reformed theology which came out of mysticism claiming man does not have free will

That's the part you fail to understand from scripture

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

The camp you claim to be in says we can deny the Lord and turn away from Him and still be saved! View attachment 282087
God's Word clearly teaches that the Lord does not forsake His saints and they are preserved forever (Psalm 37:28) and that Jesus' sheep hear His voice and He knows them and they follow Him and they shall never perish or be snatched out of His hand (John 10:27-28) and that believers are sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. (Ephesians 1:13-14)

In 2 Timothy 2:12, we have a contrast with, "if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him. If we endure, we shall also reign with Him -- AND -- If we deny Him, He also will deny us. If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

So, in contrast, the latter "deny Him and faithless" points to the opposite of died with Him, endure and reign with Him. Jesus Himself warned of the danger of denying Him in Matthew 10:33 - "But whoever shall deny Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.." To "deny him" here does not point merely to a temporary weakness of faith, as in the case of Peter who denied Jesus three times during a moment of weakness (Luke 22:54-62), but is referring to life in it's entirety. The inevitable result is that "He will also deny us."

The warning is repeated in the final sentence, "if we are faithless, he abides faithful." To be "faithless" is in the present tense and denotes this as the habitual attitude, not a temporary lapse of faith. But in contrast to human faithlessness, He remains faithful" to His word and righteous character and His warning that unbelievers will be rejected.
 
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God's Word clearly teaches that the Lord does not forsake His saints

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

He doesn't forsake His saints, but if / when a saint turns away from the Lord He must let them go because God is not mocked, what we sow is what we reap - if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8). He's not forcing anybody to abide in Christ.

OSAS adherents are mocking God claiming even if a person gets saved and lives in sin they are still saved.

At best OSAS adherents are cherry pickers deceived in to believing only parts of God's Word.
At worst OSAS adherents are tares who are servants of satan

Either way, OSAS is heresy which is on God's list of "those that do these things will not inherit the Kingdom of God"



Jesus' sheep hear His voice and He knows them and they follow Him and they shall never perish or be snatched out of His hand (John 10:27-28)

Applicable only to those that are led by the Holy Spirit as in ceasing from being sinners.

It's conditional, but the OSAS cult continually claims it's not conditional because they are confused having to keep track of all the lies they teach. It's a sad situation for them for sure.
 
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2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

He doesn't forsake His saints, but if / when a saint turns away from the Lord He must let them go because God is not mocked, what we sow is what we reap - if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8). He's not forcing anybody to abide in Christ.

OSAS adherents are mocking God claiming even if a person gets saved and lives in sin they are still saved.

At best OSAS adherents are cherry pickers deceived in to believing only parts of God's Word.
At worst OSAS adherents are tares who are servants of satan

Either way, OSAS is heresy which is on God's list of "those that do these things will not inherit the Kingdom of God"

Applicable only to those that are led by the Holy Spirit as in ceasing from being sinners.

It's conditional, but the OSAS cult continually claims it's not conditional because they are confused having to keep track of all the lies they teach. It's a sad situation for them for sure.

Yes, and you do realize that OSAS is a subset of the TULIP heresy?
 
Yes, that's why it's false doctrine because it came out of false doctrine

Yes, perverting the Gospel, denying God's love and righteousness. :(
(John 3:16, 1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2, 1Tim. 2:3-4).
Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (Rom. 5:6-8).
God is just (2Thes. 1:6a, cf. Rom. 3:25-26 & 9:14, Deut. 32:4, Psa. 36:6, Luke 11:42, Rev. 15:3).
Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s justice and love for all people (Joel 2:13, John 3:16).
This parameter is affirmed in the OT (Psa. 145:17): “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”
 
Our Lord Jesus Christ gave us a great warning about False Christ & Prophets

MATTHEW 24:23-24
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

An excellent question as Satan knows the scripture better than virtually every believer and can twist passages to his own ends. Likewise, Paul also warns us that the gifts of the Spirit can be duplicated and are thus not proof. A favorite hiding place for the demonic is in a church that is not paying attention to God and instead seeking favor from man, be it financial or praise for all their supposed spiritual gifts. It is only by the fruits of the Spirit that one can know, those cannot be duplicated.