Past parent and future God can hold all points of time in one place the meaning of eternal, and life
Psalm 147 verse 5, Isaiah 40 verse 28b, Jeremiah 32 verse 17b, Isaiah 55 verse 9, Job 36 verse 5 ~ Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding has no limit. Psalm 147 verse 5 His understanding is beyond searching out. Isaiah 40 verse 28b Nothing is too difficult for You! Jeremiah 32 verse 17b For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so My ways are higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55 verse 9 His understanding is beyond searching out. Isaiah 40 verse 28b He is mighty in strength of understanding. Job 36 verse 5
How the Atonement (Justification) Accomplished All
The Big Picture
NT Understanding: Hebraic Lens vs. Greek Lens Key Takeaway How the Atonement (Justification) Accomplished All The Big Picture NT Understanding: Hebraic Lens vs. Greek Lens Key TakeawayChatGPT??We often conflate the commandments given by Moses (so confusion is the result) but we are now under the Law of Messiah (LOM) which is a higher law than the Mosaic Law which says "you must love your neighbor as yourself" whereas LOM says "you shall love your neighbor as I have loved you" = higher law and greater Grace...God is interested in our growth in the Spirit, so when we break His Law, we confess our sin, and He Graciously forgives us so we can realign with His Spirit to enable us to walk in His Ways; AND once hid in Christ there is no eternal separation of Covenantal status but we can experience loss of intimacy until we confess our sin and are realigned with the Spirit.
- Universal Justification (Atonement):
- At the cross, Messiah’s death, blood, and life were accepted by the Father as the once-for-all payment.
- This act was universal — gifted to all ungodly men without merit, contrition, or human effort.
- By this, Christ redeemed all humanity from slavery to sin and death, securing peace with God.
- This is the foundation: God alone initiated salvation through the Atonement.
- Invitation to Sanctification (New Birth):
- Justification opens the door, but only those who accept God’s covenant invitation enter sanctification.
- The New Birth is given only to those being sanctified — those who receive His Spirit.
- In sanctification, the Spirit indwells us, transforming us into Christ’s image, and empowering us to walk in the works He prepared.
- Our overcoming is by His blood and the word of our testimony, not by our own strength.
- Glorification Guaranteed by the Atonement:
- God has sworn: those He justified, He will glorify.
- At judgment, He will purge all sin and present us as though we had never sinned.
- Even those who resist sanctification may face temporal punishment (Hell as purging fire), but ultimately they too will be humbled, purified, and glorified — because the Atonement was God’s unilateral act.
- God’s Covenant Faithfulness Displayed:
- The Mosaic covenant exposed human sinfulness and became a covenant of death, but the Father of Mercy and Justice fulfilled His unconditional covenant through the Atonement.
- Christ, as our Kinsman Redeemer, took our place, defeated death, and hid us in Himself.
- The Atonement was the “failsafe” from before the beginning — Christ crucified was God’s eternal plan to ensure His children (made in His image) would be brought home.
- Even temporal punishments (Adam, Cain, Pharaoh) reveal God’s parental love — judgment is corrective, not final separation.
- Textual Witness (Hebrew vs. Greek):
- The Septuagint stylized Hebrew covenantal language into Greek constructs, but it never predated or displaced the Hebrew OT.
- In the same way, the abundance of Greek NT manuscripts does not prove Greek originality.
- The NT is saturated with Hebraic chiasms, idioms, and covenantal imagery, pointing to Hebrew primacy.
- Greek manuscripts often abstract concepts into “faith” as human belief, while Hebrew manuscripts emphasize God’s faithfulness in the Atonement.
- Example: John 1 in Sephardic Hebrew manuscripts says “The Son” rather than “The Word,” keeping the covenantal focus intact.
- For manuscript evidence and study, see HebrewGospeldotcom, which highlights the surviving Sephardic Hebrew NT manuscripts and their covenantal constructs.
Everything — sanctification, glorification, covenant faithfulness, even the textual witness of Scripture — flows from the Atonement.
- Justification (Atonement) is the fountainhead: universally accomplished, inviting all into sanctification.
- Sanctification (New Birth) is given only to those who accept the covenant invitation and receive His Spirit.
- Glorification is guaranteed for all who were justified, whether through sanctification now or eventual purging later.
- God’s covenant faithfulness ensures the plan cannot fail — Christ crucified was the eternal failsafe.
- Textual witness confirms the Hebraic foundation of both OT and NT, resisting the claim that Greek abundance equals originality.
Theme
Hebraic Lens (Covenantal, Relational)
Greek Lens (Philosophical, Abstract)
Source of Salvation
Rooted in God’s covenant faithfulness. Salvation is His unilateral act through Messiah’s Atonement.
Rooted in human response of faith/belief. Salvation often framed as dependent on individual assent.
Justification
Universal gift accomplished at the Atonement for all ungodly men, without merit or contrition. God reconciles humanity to Himself.
Conditional acceptance based on personal belief or fidelity. Justification is often seen as applied only to those who “believe.”
Sanctification (New Birth)
Invitation into covenant relationship. Those who receive His Spirit are transformed into Messiah’s image. The Spirit indwells and empowers.
Emphasis on moral striving and intellectual assent. Transformation is often tied to human discipline or fidelity.
Glorification
Guaranteed by God’s promise: those He justified, He will glorify. Even temporal punishment is corrective, leading ultimately to restoration.
Often conditional: glorification is reserved for those who persist in belief or fidelity. Eternal separation is emphasized for those who fail.
Covenant Framework
God’s unconditional covenants (Abrahamic, Davidic, New Covenant) are fulfilled in Messiah. The Mosaic covenant exposed sin but was overcome by His mercy.
Focus on law, ethics, and philosophy. The Mosaic covenant is often interpreted as a moral system rather than a relational exposure of sin.
Language & Imagery
Rich in chiasms, idioms, covenantal imagery, parental love. Example: John 1 in Hebrew manuscripts says “The Son” — relational and covenantal.
Abstract concepts dominate: “The Word” in John 1 emphasizes logos (reason, principle) rather than relational Sonship.
Judgment & Punishment
Temporal, corrective, parental discipline. Even Hell is purging fire meant to humble and restore.
Eternal, retributive punishment. Judgment is final separation rather than corrective discipline.
Textual Witness
Hebrew manuscripts (Sephardic NT) preserve covenantal constructs. God always goes to the Jew first, then Gentile.
Abundance of Greek manuscripts seen as proof of originality, though they stylize Hebraic thought into Greek constructs.
Human Role
Humanity is invited to participate in sanctification, but the foundation is always God’s action.
Humanity is seen as the decisive factor: salvation hinges on personal belief/fidelity.
This contrast shows why the Hebraic lens preserves the parental love, covenant faithfulness, and relational action of God, while the Greek lens shifts emphasis toward human belief and abstract philosophy.
- Hebraic lens: Salvation is God’s covenantal act — initiated, sustained, and completed by Him. Justification is universal, sanctification is an invitation into covenant relationship, and glorification is guaranteed by His promise. Punishment is corrective, never final.
- Greek lens: Salvation is often human-centered — dependent on belief, fidelity, or intellectual assent. Justification and glorification are conditional, punishment is eternal, and the relational covenantal imagery is abstracted into philosophical categories.
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We often conflate the commandments given by Moses (so confusion is the result) but we are now under the Law of Messiah (LOM) which is a higher law than the Mosaic Law which says "you must love your neighbor as yourself" whereas LOM says "you shall love your neighbor as I have loved you" = higher law and greater Grace...God is interested in our growth in the Spirit, so when we break His Law, we confess our sin, and He Graciously forgives us so we can realign with His Spirit to enable us to walk in His Ways; AND once hid in Christ there is no eternal separation of Covenantal status but we can experience loss of intimacy until we confess our sin and are realigned with the Spirit.
- Universal Justification (Atonement):
- At the cross, Messiah’s death, blood, and life were accepted by the Father as the once-for-all payment.
- This act was universal — gifted to all ungodly men without merit, contrition, or human effort.
- By this, Christ redeemed all humanity from slavery to sin and death, securing peace with God.
- This is the foundation: God alone initiated salvation through the Atonement.
- Invitation to Sanctification (New Birth):
- Justification opens the door, but only those who accept God’s covenant invitation enter sanctification.
- The New Birth is given only to those being sanctified — those who receive His Spirit.
- In sanctification, the Spirit indwells us, transforming us into Christ’s image, and empowering us to walk in the works He prepared.
- Our overcoming is by His blood and the word of our testimony, not by our own strength.
- Glorification Guaranteed by the Atonement:
- God has sworn: those He justified, He will glorify.
- At judgment, He will purge all sin and present us as though we had never sinned.
- Even those who resist sanctification may face temporal punishment (Hell as purging fire), but ultimately they too will be humbled, purified, and glorified — because the Atonement was God’s unilateral act.
- God’s Covenant Faithfulness Displayed:
- The Mosaic covenant exposed human sinfulness and became a covenant of death, but the Father of Mercy and Justice fulfilled His unconditional covenant through the Atonement.
- Christ, as our Kinsman Redeemer, took our place, defeated death, and hid us in Himself.
- The Atonement was the “failsafe” from before the beginning — Christ crucified was God’s eternal plan to ensure His children (made in His image) would be brought home.
- Even temporal punishments (Adam, Cain, Pharaoh) reveal God’s parental love — judgment is corrective, not final separation.
- Textual Witness (Hebrew vs. Greek):
- The Septuagint stylized Hebrew covenantal language into Greek constructs, but it never predated or displaced the Hebrew OT.
- In the same way, the abundance of Greek NT manuscripts does not prove Greek originality.
- The NT is saturated with Hebraic chiasms, idioms, and covenantal imagery, pointing to Hebrew primacy.
- Greek manuscripts often abstract concepts into “faith” as human belief, while Hebrew manuscripts emphasize God’s faithfulness in the Atonement.
- Example: John 1 in Sephardic Hebrew manuscripts says “The Son” rather than “The Word,” keeping the covenantal focus intact.
- For manuscript evidence and study, see HebrewGospeldotcom, which highlights the surviving Sephardic Hebrew NT manuscripts and their covenantal constructs.
Everything — sanctification, glorification, covenant faithfulness, even the textual witness of Scripture — flows from the Atonement.
- Justification (Atonement) is the fountainhead: universally accomplished, inviting all into sanctification.
- Sanctification (New Birth) is given only to those who accept the covenant invitation and receive His Spirit.
- Glorification is guaranteed for all who were justified, whether through sanctification now or eventual purging later.
- God’s covenant faithfulness ensures the plan cannot fail — Christ crucified was the eternal failsafe.
- Textual witness confirms the Hebraic foundation of both OT and NT, resisting the claim that Greek abundance equals originality.
Theme
Hebraic Lens (Covenantal, Relational)
Greek Lens (Philosophical, Abstract)
Source of Salvation
Rooted in God’s covenant faithfulness. Salvation is His unilateral act through Messiah’s Atonement.
Rooted in human response of faith/belief. Salvation often framed as dependent on individual assent.
Justification
Universal gift accomplished at the Atonement for all ungodly men, without merit or contrition. God reconciles humanity to Himself.
Conditional acceptance based on personal belief or fidelity. Justification is often seen as applied only to those who “believe.”
Sanctification (New Birth)
Invitation into covenant relationship. Those who receive His Spirit are transformed into Messiah’s image. The Spirit indwells and empowers.
Emphasis on moral striving and intellectual assent. Transformation is often tied to human discipline or fidelity.
Glorification
Guaranteed by God’s promise: those He justified, He will glorify. Even temporal punishment is corrective, leading ultimately to restoration.
Often conditional: glorification is reserved for those who persist in belief or fidelity. Eternal separation is emphasized for those who fail.
Covenant Framework
God’s unconditional covenants (Abrahamic, Davidic, New Covenant) are fulfilled in Messiah. The Mosaic covenant exposed sin but was overcome by His mercy.
Focus on law, ethics, and philosophy. The Mosaic covenant is often interpreted as a moral system rather than a relational exposure of sin.
Language & Imagery
Rich in chiasms, idioms, covenantal imagery, parental love. Example: John 1 in Hebrew manuscripts says “The Son” — relational and covenantal.
Abstract concepts dominate: “The Word” in John 1 emphasizes logos (reason, principle) rather than relational Sonship.
Judgment & Punishment
Temporal, corrective, parental discipline. Even Hell is purging fire meant to humble and restore.
Eternal, retributive punishment. Judgment is final separation rather than corrective discipline.
Textual Witness
Hebrew manuscripts (Sephardic NT) preserve covenantal constructs. God always goes to the Jew first, then Gentile.
Abundance of Greek manuscripts seen as proof of originality, though they stylize Hebraic thought into Greek constructs.
Human Role
Humanity is invited to participate in sanctification, but the foundation is always God’s action.
Humanity is seen as the decisive factor: salvation hinges on personal belief/fidelity.
This contrast shows why the Hebraic lens preserves the parental love, covenant faithfulness, and relational action of God, while the Greek lens shifts emphasis toward human belief and abstract philosophy.
- Hebraic lens: Salvation is God’s covenantal act — initiated, sustained, and completed by Him. Justification is universal, sanctification is an invitation into covenant relationship, and glorification is guaranteed by His promise. Punishment is corrective, never final.
- Greek lens: Salvation is often human-centered — dependent on belief, fidelity, or intellectual assent. Justification and glorification are conditional, punishment is eternal, and the relational covenantal imagery is abstracted into philosophical categories.
We often conflate the commandments given by Moses (so confusion is the result) but we are now under the Law of Messiah (LOM) which is a higher law than the Mosaic Law which says "you must love your neighbor as yourself" whereas LOM says "you shall love your neighbor as I have loved you" = higher law and greater Grace...God is interested in our growth in the Spirit, so when we break His Law, we confess our sin, and He Graciously forgives us so we can realign with His Spirit to enable us to walk in His Ways; AND once hid in Christ there is no eternal separation of Covenantal status but we can experience loss of intimacy until we confess our sin and are realigned with the Spirit.
- Universal Justification (Atonement):
- At the cross, Messiah’s death, blood, and life were accepted by the Father as the once-for-all payment.
- This act was universal — gifted to all ungodly men without merit, contrition, or human effort.
- By this, Christ redeemed all humanity from slavery to sin and death, securing peace with God.
- This is the foundation: God alone initiated salvation through the Atonement.
- Invitation to Sanctification (New Birth):
- Justification opens the door, but only those who accept God’s covenant invitation enter sanctification.
- The New Birth is given only to those being sanctified — those who receive His Spirit.
- In sanctification, the Spirit indwells us, transforming us into Christ’s image, and empowering us to walk in the works He prepared.
- Our overcoming is by His blood and the word of our testimony, not by our own strength.
- Glorification Guaranteed by the Atonement:
- God has sworn: those He justified, He will glorify.
- At judgment, He will purge all sin and present us as though we had never sinned.
- Even those who resist sanctification may face temporal punishment (Hell as purging fire), but ultimately they too will be humbled, purified, and glorified — because the Atonement was God’s unilateral act.
- God’s Covenant Faithfulness Displayed:
- The Mosaic covenant exposed human sinfulness and became a covenant of death, but the Father of Mercy and Justice fulfilled His unconditional covenant through the Atonement.
- Christ, as our Kinsman Redeemer, took our place, defeated death, and hid us in Himself.
- The Atonement was the “failsafe” from before the beginning — Christ crucified was God’s eternal plan to ensure His children (made in His image) would be brought home.
- Even temporal punishments (Adam, Cain, Pharaoh) reveal God’s parental love — judgment is corrective, not final separation.
- Textual Witness (Hebrew vs. Greek):
- The Septuagint stylized Hebrew covenantal language into Greek constructs, but it never predated or displaced the Hebrew OT.
- In the same way, the abundance of Greek NT manuscripts does not prove Greek originality.
- The NT is saturated with Hebraic chiasms, idioms, and covenantal imagery, pointing to Hebrew primacy.
- Greek manuscripts often abstract concepts into “faith” as human belief, while Hebrew manuscripts emphasize God’s faithfulness in the Atonement.
- Example: John 1 in Sephardic Hebrew manuscripts says “The Son” rather than “The Word,” keeping the covenantal focus intact.
- For manuscript evidence and study, see HebrewGospeldotcom, which highlights the surviving Sephardic Hebrew NT manuscripts and their covenantal constructs.
Everything — sanctification, glorification, covenant faithfulness, even the textual witness of Scripture — flows from the Atonement.
- Justification (Atonement) is the fountainhead: universally accomplished, inviting all into sanctification.
- Sanctification (New Birth) is given only to those who accept the covenant invitation and receive His Spirit.
- Glorification is guaranteed for all who were justified, whether through sanctification now or eventual purging later.
- God’s covenant faithfulness ensures the plan cannot fail — Christ crucified was the eternal failsafe.
- Textual witness confirms the Hebraic foundation of both OT and NT, resisting the claim that Greek abundance equals originality.
Theme
Hebraic Lens (Covenantal, Relational)
Greek Lens (Philosophical, Abstract)
Source of Salvation
Rooted in God’s covenant faithfulness. Salvation is His unilateral act through Messiah’s Atonement.
Rooted in human response of faith/belief. Salvation often framed as dependent on individual assent.
Justification
Universal gift accomplished at the Atonement for all ungodly men, without merit or contrition. God reconciles humanity to Himself.
Conditional acceptance based on personal belief or fidelity. Justification is often seen as applied only to those who “believe.”
Sanctification (New Birth)
Invitation into covenant relationship. Those who receive His Spirit are transformed into Messiah’s image. The Spirit indwells and empowers.
Emphasis on moral striving and intellectual assent. Transformation is often tied to human discipline or fidelity.
Glorification
Guaranteed by God’s promise: those He justified, He will glorify. Even temporal punishment is corrective, leading ultimately to restoration.
Often conditional: glorification is reserved for those who persist in belief or fidelity. Eternal separation is emphasized for those who fail.
Covenant Framework
God’s unconditional covenants (Abrahamic, Davidic, New Covenant) are fulfilled in Messiah. The Mosaic covenant exposed sin but was overcome by His mercy.
Focus on law, ethics, and philosophy. The Mosaic covenant is often interpreted as a moral system rather than a relational exposure of sin.
Language & Imagery
Rich in chiasms, idioms, covenantal imagery, parental love. Example: John 1 in Hebrew manuscripts says “The Son” — relational and covenantal.
Abstract concepts dominate: “The Word” in John 1 emphasizes logos (reason, principle) rather than relational Sonship.
Judgment & Punishment
Temporal, corrective, parental discipline. Even Hell is purging fire meant to humble and restore.
Eternal, retributive punishment. Judgment is final separation rather than corrective discipline.
Textual Witness
Hebrew manuscripts (Sephardic NT) preserve covenantal constructs. God always goes to the Jew first, then Gentile.
Abundance of Greek manuscripts seen as proof of originality, though they stylize Hebraic thought into Greek constructs.
Human Role
Humanity is invited to participate in sanctification, but the foundation is always God’s action.
Humanity is seen as the decisive factor: salvation hinges on personal belief/fidelity.
This contrast shows why the Hebraic lens preserves the parental love, covenant faithfulness, and relational action of God, while the Greek lens shifts emphasis toward human belief and abstract philosophy.
- Hebraic lens: Salvation is God’s covenantal act — initiated, sustained, and completed by Him. Justification is universal, sanctification is an invitation into covenant relationship, and glorification is guaranteed by His promise. Punishment is corrective, never final.
- Greek lens: Salvation is often human-centered — dependent on belief, fidelity, or intellectual assent. Justification and glorification are conditional, punishment is eternal, and the relational covenantal imagery is abstracted into philosophical categories.
These are my thoughts, but I have AI clean it up in a more presentable way...The problem is the Greek lens has your salvation dependent on you (we are a weak link and is why the New Covenant was given), but the Good News is God so loved us that He made Atonement for every ungodly person through His Son.
The Greek lens will conflate and confuse the Gospel because the Greek puts the emphasis on us "our faith, faithfulness, loyalty and belief" but the Hebraic lens emphasizes the Covenantal Faithfulness of God who has accomplished our total Salvation. If we accept His kind invitation once we have been Justified by His Atonement, we may receive His Spirit and become a New Creature in Him or although we are all justified we can resist His invitation and experience His chastisement which is lovingly meant to humble us to call on Him and accept His invitation to become transformed into the likeness of Christ through Sanctification. Either way He eventually Glorifies everyone He Justified and He justified everyone at the Cross.
ChatGPT can be useful when used responsibly and correctly. Like anything else, it’s a tool that can be abused. I’m not accusing you of that though, just stating the obvious. There is an individual on here who uses a type of AI format generator, and he uses it irresponsibly. Talking to him is like talking to a computer.
So did Peter.
Thanks for letting me know...I write my own thoughts, but I want sometimes it's formatting help...and as you can see from my original writings it was much better
Can a person be saved in both ways, ?
To the unsaved this verse applies to
Romans 9:18
In both ways yes
The lord will hardens heart untill there humbled, and every knee will bow.
The lord humbles the heart that has been hardened.
Now to the saved Once saved
Romans 9:18
The lord wills the heart to have mercy.
The lord wills the heart to be hardened to,
in mercy of give and take. Through the good times and bad, through life and death, he is a giver of living hope, that can harden the heart to suffering with his strength and can harden the heart in fear and strength within strength, in faith building, the main part of regeneration
If the lord wills a heart to unbelief, then that means he hardens the heart to show no mercy to unbelieve, Deuteronomy 7 judges 7 the bread from heaven, in many ways, he says what ever you ask in my name will be done. As he says to some I will have mercy to those I will harden to.
And his will determines disciplines.
So yes I am a determined person.
The lord was determined to have his will spoke through whom ever he desires.
The Pharaoh last spoken words to the Israelites was worship your lord.
Thats was the lords will
That makes the lords will a determined will, and me determined with him.,
To get this message across.
So therefore let your yays be yay.
The moral of the story is will you or won't you believe
So his will for me now is say goodnight.
