At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?

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What types of fruits do they have?

Good or evil?

How about you look at each of us your self and judge for your self.

I am not liked much because I follow the book of Acts to be saved.

Sorry to say when someone lies, I call them out on it.

For instance someone on here claims being baptized in the spirit replaced water baptism.

After many attemts to get him to prove it, he never did I told him if he can't it a lie from Satan.

Sorry I have no tact, since JESUS is the word, don't be claming JESUS said something that HE didn't and don't expect to be called out on it.

Most people just follow men and their oppions that is why there are so many different denomantions today.

We need to follow JESUS and JESUS alone.

I also told that person who lied, it's not too late to repent.

We all have choices to make.
 
Can the below saved you?

1. Baptism (Yes / No)
2. Speaking in tongue (Yes / No)
3. Your works (Yes / No)

One or all three?

His word.

JESUS says in,
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

So CANNOT enter without BOTH, being born of water and of spirit.

Just before JESUS ascended HE told HIS disciples to wait,

Acts 1
King James Version
1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Verse 5, they SHALL be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.


After they waited, this happened.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Peter tells us, this is what happens when a person is filled with the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Peters first message that JESUS promised to be preached.
Acts 2,
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Notice BOTH, baptized in JESUS name for remission of sins, AND the same thing JESUS told them in Acts 1:5

JESUS in Mark 16,
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

So HIS word is clear, need to be baptized in JESUS name for remission of sins and the Holy Ghost is for ALL.

Examples of being reborn in the book of Acts,
Chapter 8, they were baptized first, then received the Holy Ghost days maybe weeks later.
Acts 10, they received the Holy Ghost then was commanded to be baptized just after.
Act 19, they were baptized in JESUS name Paul laid hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost.

In EVERY CASE they were baptized and spoke in tongues.

AFTER that to stay saved, we must work for him.

Romans 10,
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Paul is telling his church to get out and preach to be saved.

So many people use 10:9 saying that's all you need to do is confess JESUS and your saved but you notice Paul is speaking to a church he started NOT THE UNSAVED.

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

What is your thoughts?

His word only.
 
One or all three?

His word.

JESUS says in,
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

So CANNOT enter without BOTH, being born of water and of spirit..

Jesus did not say water baptism.
He said, "water."

They all knew back then that the birth process began with the mother breaking water!
That speaks of the first birth!

Then, came the Spirit begetting your human spirit!
That is the second birth!

Born twice!​
Hence. "Born again."​
It is simple.​
Otherwise, people handing out tracts on a corner will have to be having a portable baptismal with them where ever they go.​



The law of the LORD is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes
of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple. Psalm 19:7​
.
 
Jesus did not say water baptism.
He said, "water."

They all knew back then that the birth process began with the mother breaking water!
That speaks of the first birth!

Then, came the Spirit begetting your human spirit!
That is the second birth!

Born twice!​
Hence. "Born again."​
It is simple.​
Otherwise, people handing out tracts on a corner will have to be having a portable baptismal with them where ever they go.​



The law of the LORD is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes
of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple. Psalm 19:7​
.

We will never know it all, I am speaking for most humans you may???

Do you know it all?? Gen to Rev?

No debate we have to be born of our mother.

If not how could we be REBORN??? Or read HIS word, or repent, or chose JESUS over Satan?

So with scripture show me what this is or means PLEASE.

"Then, came the Spirit begetting your human spirit!
That is the second birth!"

Born twice!
Hence. "Born again."

How does that happen???

Some do have portable baptism when they tralve since they are a part of the rebirth process.

Thank you.
 
We will never know it all, I am speaking for most humans you may???

Do you know it all?? Gen to Rev?

No debate we have to be born of our mother.

If not how could we be REBORN??? Or read HIS word, or repent, or chose JESUS over Satan?

So with scripture show me what this is or means PLEASE.

"Then, came the Spirit begetting your human spirit!
That is the second birth!"

Born twice!
Hence. "Born again."

How does that happen???

Some do have portable baptism when they tralve since they are a part of the rebirth process.

Thank you.

God wants you to know a little.

Know it CORRECTLY.

You have a hard time with just a little.
Many do not.

Here is the problem your sect suffers from.
Telling you will not change you.
But, it may help those who are trying to figure out your dilemma.

Brothers and sisters, join in following my example and notice those who walk according
to the pattern you have in us. For many walk who are enemies of the cross of Christ
I have often told you about them, and now I am even weeping as I tell you.
Their end is destruction—their god is their belly [emotions] and their glory is in their shame.
Who keep on thinking earthly things {evil}.) Philippians 3:17-19​


You are driven by what your emotions dictate.
You emotionally toss away Scripture whenever it gets in their way.

You can keep it, buddy...
You're not my son.

God must deal with you at the right time.
 
God wants you to know a little.

Know it CORRECTLY.

You have a hard time with just a little.
Many do not.

Here is the problem your sect suffers from.
Telling you will not change you.
But, it may help those who are trying to figure out your dilemma.

Brothers and sisters, join in following my example and notice those who walk according
to the pattern you have in us. For many walk who are enemies of the cross of Christ
I have often told you about them, and now I am even weeping as I tell you.
Their end is destruction—their god is their belly [emotions] and their glory is in their shame.
Who keep on thinking earthly things {evil}.) Philippians 3:17-19​


You are driven by what your emotions dictate.
You emotionally toss away Scripture whenever it gets in their way.

You can keep it, buddy...
You're not my son.

God must deal with you at the right time.


Thank you for pointing out my errors.

How do you know answering my questions will not help me????

My dilemma, you sure do know how to avoid backing up what comes out of you mouth with HIS word.

How can anyone have a converstaion with someone else if nothing is resolved?

So with scripture show me what this is or means PLEASE.

"Then, came the Spirit begetting your human spirit!
That is the second birth!"

Born twice!
Hence. "Born again."

How does that happen???


Maybe you can share how spirit baptism replaced water baptism also.

Unless you can back up what you say, have a blessed day.
 
Matter a fact if I lie PLEASE TELL ME.

DON'T CALL JESUS A LIAR, or I'm calling you a liar.

No point telling you if you lie because you won't listen.

Now here is the thing.
You say DON'T call Jesus a liar to me.
I'm assuming you are warning me because I don't believe your theology?
So what I interpret is that if I call you a liar then I call Jesus a liar.
It that correct?

Very good manipulation on your side.
 
Would you like me if I was a liar?

You ask?
Would you like me if I was a liar?
Not sure to be honest, but one thing for sure I would love you as Jesus asked us to do, to love each other as brothers and sisters in him.

BUT HERE IS ELEPHENT IN THE ROOM.

I don't think you see me as a bother in Jesus because I don't believe in your theological belief.

Is that true.
If someone told you they were baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit would you accept them as a brother or sister in Jesus.

I've been honest and answered.

Over to you.
 
No point telling you if you lie because you won't listen.

Now here is the thing.
You say DON'T call Jesus a liar to me.
I'm assuming you are warning me because I don't believe your theology?
So what I interpret is that if I call you a liar then I call Jesus a liar.
It that correct?

Very good manipulation on your side.

Are you sure?

I liar is someone who does not tell the truth.

I have never seen you not tell the truth, to me you just can't see that in Matthew 28:19 JESUS is speaking to HIS disciples, the ones who know HIM and who HE is.

We can tell that because they all baptized in JESUS name.

Something that just hasn't hit you yet, praying it will.

I have no theology, I only have HIS word it says what it says and means what it means.

I keep it simple.

Your welcome to call me a liar, just tell me what I'm lying about!!!

That is how we learn.
 
You ask?
Would you like me if I was a liar?
Not sure to be honest, but one thing for sure I would love you as Jesus asked us to do, to love each other as brothers and sisters in him.

BUT HERE IS ELEPHENT IN THE ROOM.

I don't think you see me as a bother in Jesus because I don't believe in your theological belief.

Is that true.
If someone told you they were baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit would you accept them as a brother or sister in Jesus.

I've been honest and answered.

Over to you.

Are you setting me up again?

Sorry "NO", maybe future, even the ones who belive just say this prayer and your saved forever which isn't bible they are on the right path. The first step.

Just as I once, said the prayer and bapitzed in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost.

It wasn't until later I went in to a church who baptized in JESUS name and people in there spoke in tongues that I saw the light.

When leaving that church I told the perons who took me, "YOU CAN FEEL HIM!!"

The church I went to first never spoke of the Holy Ghost and what happens when you get it, JESUS was NOT WELCOME THERE.

When JESUS filled me with HIS SPIRIT IT CHANGED MY LIFE.

No way am I perfect, but JESUS IS ALIVE and I"m under construction and should always be.
 
Are you setting me up again?

Sorry "NO", maybe future, even the ones who belive just say this prayer and your saved forever which isn't bible they are on the right path. The first step.

Just as I once, said the prayer and bapitzed in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost.

It wasn't until later I went in to a church who baptized in JESUS name and people in there spoke in tongues that I saw the light.

When leaving that church I told the perons who took me, "YOU CAN FEEL HIM!!"

The church I went to first never spoke of the Holy Ghost and what happens when you get it, JESUS was NOT WELCOME THERE.

When JESUS filled me with HIS SPIRIT IT CHANGED MY LIFE.

No way am I perfect, but JESUS IS ALIVE and I"m under construction and should always be.

Not setting you up at all.

You ask me questions and so can I.
It,is a two way thing.
I am doing exactly the same thing you do.

Anyway answer my post 909 and maybe we can move forward or on.

BUT HERE IS ELEPHENT IN THE ROOM.

I don't think you see me as a bother in Jesus because I don't believe in your theological belief.

Is that true.
If someone told you they were baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit would you accept them as a brother or sister in Jesus.

I've been honest and answered.

Over to you.
 
You ask?
Would you like me if I was a liar?
Not sure to be honest, but one thing for sure I would love you as Jesus asked us to do, to love each other as brothers and sisters in him.

BUT HERE IS ELEPHENT IN THE ROOM.

I don't think you see me as a bother in Jesus because I don't believe in your theological belief.

Is that true.
If someone told you they were baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit would you accept them as a brother or sister in Jesus.

I've been honest and answered.

Over to you.

Notice all with ONE accord.

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

They all had the same teaching and obeyed it.
 
Are you sure?

I liar is someone who does not tell the truth.

I have never seen you not tell the truth, to me you just can't see that in Matthew 28:19 JESUS is speaking to HIS disciples, the ones who know HIM and who HE is.

We can tell that because they all baptized in JESUS name.

Something that just hasn't hit you yet, praying it will.

I have no theology, I only have HIS word it says what it says and means what it means.

I keep it simple.

Your welcome to call me a liar, just tell me what I'm lying about!!!

That is how we learn.
See the thing you accuse people of being liars just because they don't agree with your theology.

As,per below.

I share HIS word only, letting JESUS do the talking and call people who lie about HIS word a liar.

Yet you bulk at the fact that can do the same an if they do you don't like it.

It's a two way thing and circular.

Can you find a post where I called you a liar?
 
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So now you see why people don't like me, I keep it real.

I share HIS word only, letting JESUS do the talking and call people who lie about HIS word a liar.

Know this....

Confident sounding conceit, while using Jesus name, does not transform error into truth.

False teachers will sound dogmatic, and will deceive the ignorant.

But, those who have knowledge of the truth?
They will not be moved
 
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Notice all with ONE accord.

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

They all had the same teaching and obeyed it.
Don't deflect as usual.

Please answer my post below

You ask?
Would you like me if I was a liar?
Not sure to be honest, but one thing for sure I would love you as Jesus asked us to do, to love each other as brothers and sisters in him.

BUT HERE IS ELEPHENT IN THE ROOM.

I don't think you see me as a bother in Jesus because I don't believe in your theological belief.

Is that true.
If someone told you they were baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit would you accept them as a brother or sister in Jesus.

I've been honest and answered.

Over to you.
 
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See the thing you accuse people of being liars just because they don't agree with your theology.

As,per below.

I share HIS word only, letting JESUS do the talking and call people who lie about HIS word a liar.

Yet you bulk at the fact that can do the same an if they do you don't like it.

It's a two way thing and circular.

Can you find a post where I called you a liar?

When did I call someone a liar?

One person who said spirit baptism replaced water baptism.

I gave that person many times to prove it or retract it before I called him a liar.

The other one was the guy who went to another person telling them I'm a oneness what ever that is. I called him a liar becasue he was lying about me.

I don't ever recall you calling me a liar, or me calling you one.
 
Know this....

Confident sounding conceit, while using Jesus name, does not transform error into truth.

False teachers will sound dogmatic, and will deceive the ignorant.

But, those who have knowledge of the truth?
They will not be moved

And you said, I put things back on you and deflect.

Have a good day.
 
Don't deflect as usual.

Please answer my post below

You ask?
Would you like me if I was a liar?
Not sure to be honest, but one thing for sure I would love you as Jesus asked us to do, to love each other as brothers and sisters in him.

BUT HERE IS ELEPHENT IN THE ROOM.

I don't think you see me as a bother in Jesus because I don't believe in your theological belief.

Is that true.
If someone told you they were baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit would you accept them as a brother or sister in Jesus.

I've been honest and answered.

Over to you.

This is what I posted on post 911. Doens't that asnwer NO DEFLCETION?

Are you setting me up again?

Sorry "NO", maybe future, even the ones who believe just say this prayer and your saved forever which isn't bible they are on the right path. The first step.

Just as I once, said the prayer and bapitzed in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost.

It wasn't until later I went in to a church who baptized in JESUS name and people in there spoke in tongues that I saw the light.

When leaving that church I told the persons who took me, "YOU CAN FEEL HIM!!"

The church I went to first never spoke of the Holy Ghost and what happens when you get it, JESUS was NOT WELCOME THERE.

When JESUS filled me with HIS SPIRIT IT CHANGED MY LIFE.

No way am I perfect, but JESUS IS ALIVE and I"m under construction and should always be.

Then I added, Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

Did that answers your questions?
 
We will never know it all, I am speaking for most humans you may???
.
Maybe you can share how spirit baptism replaced water baptism also.

Unless you can back up what you say, have a blessed day.[/QUOTE]


Faith begins with accepting and believing God's Word.
It does not mean you initially have to understand what is said.
Faith means accepting God on His Word.


John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I
will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with
the Holy Spirit and fire.
Luke 3:16 Acts 1:4




The following was said after his resurrection...

On one occasion, while he (Jesus) was eating with them, he gave them this command:
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard
me speak about.

For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5​

We need to simply make up our mind to believe what is said.
Understanding will have to follow later.

Peter made a mistake by not recalling those words of Jesus until some time passed during the beginning of the Church age.
So, Peter continued to water baptize as he always had done before the Church age sprung upon itself the world.

Then, sometime later...
(keep in mind) Peter was till commanding water baptisms to new converts.
But, then the following happened to Peter to get him to update his thinking for what changed for the church age.

“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized
with the Holy Spirit.’ So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord
Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?” Acts 11:15-17​

All the water baptisms that Peter had commanded in the early days of the church took place
until he finally recalled what Jesus had told him in Acts 1:4-5.

Yes! God records mistakes.
It is for our benefit for us to learn. For, we too, will make mistakes until corrected.
Not to condemn ourselves when see that even the disciples were also vulnerable.



grace and peace ..........