Charlie Kirk - so what now ?

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Is there a reason I should believe Owens without evidence?
You're not following my logic. There are plenty of reasons why Candace might be right. She hasn't said "I'm right and you should believe everything I do without question".
The idea that she's "doing harm" by not accepting the official narrative is stupid- and as ZNP said; it's the same anti-logic they used during COVID. Unacceptable.
 
You're not following my logic. There are plenty of reasons why Candace might be right. She hasn't said "I'm right and you should believe everything I do without question".
The idea that she's "doing harm" by not accepting the official narrative is stupid- and as ZNP said; it's the same anti-logic they used during COVID. Unacceptable.
She is also primarily highlighting their obvious lies. If TPUSA and Co. have nothing to hide, why do they keep lying?
 
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You're not following my logic. There are plenty of reasons why Candace might be right. She hasn't said "I'm right and you should believe everything I do without question".
The idea that she's "doing harm" by not accepting the official narrative is stupid- and as ZNP said; it's the same anti-logic they used during COVID. Unacceptable.
invisible unicorns from an alternate dimension might be flying out of my butt.
since we're talking about things that might be happening without evidence
 
She is also primarily highlighting their obvious lies. If TPUSA and Co. have nothing to hide, why do they keep lying?
I find it interesting that most people on this forum had never heard of TPUSA prior to Charlie being assassinated and for the most part those that did were all supportive. But since the assassination those who are most ardent about shutting everyone up so that they accept the explanation being given to them without any discernment or critical thinking, these people are all brand new to the forum.
 
I find it interesting that most people on this forum had never heard of TPUSA prior to Charlie being assassinated and for the most part those that did were all supportive. But since the assassination those who are most ardent about shutting everyone up so that they accept the explanation being given to them without any discernment or critical thinking, these people are all brand new to the forum.
I appreciate you saying this, as I'm new to the forum myself so am not in a position to comment without some level of hypocrisy. But from the Candace episodes I've watched, the practice of paid shilling is far more widespread than I even realised, extending to pastors' sermons within churches.
 
Is there a reason I should believe Owens without evidence?

She has no evidence and is a purveyor of poop! :poop:

People need to understand that she is all about "building her brand" attempting to be as outlandish as possible in her efforts to get as many clicks as possible so she can make more money having monetized all of her social media accounts.

If Charlie Kirk had never been shot she would be talking about alien monkeys from mars or some other absurdity

You wait, eventually the Charlie Kirk topic will pass and we'll see what foolishness she'll come up with next like Trump is really a Mossod robot and she'll claim to have "receipts" to prove it laughing.gif
 
I appreciate you saying this, as I'm new to the forum myself so am not in a position to comment without some level of hypocrisy. But from the Candace episodes I've watched, the practice of paid shilling is far more widespread than I even realised, extending to pastors' sermons within churches.

Yes, sadly these days we have preachers and churches that put the "almighty dollar" before the Truth of God's Word.
 
invisible unicorns from an alternate dimension might be flying out of my butt.
since we're talking about things that might be happening without evidence

She has no evidence and is a purveyor of poop! :poop:


We are discussing the evidence.

Summary of what we know so far

Here are questions and facts concerning the assassination.

1. The Feds say a 30-06 bullet severed Charlies spine in his neck.

The feds making an official statement is evidence that can be entered in court.

So then we are discussing this evidence: it would seem to be absurd because if that bullet had severed the spine it would have decapitated Charlie. So this is the first very big question. Why would they be disingenuous about this?

2. How was it that security did not see this man on the roof with a gun?

This is also evidence. The claim is he was on a roof 200 yards away and shot Charlie from that position. TPUSA admits Charlie had security. So either they saw this man and did nothing or they didn't see him. Either way it looks very bad for them, but seeing him and not doing anything is much worse. Better to be incompetent than evil. So we are discussing this evidence, which we have video tape of, wondering how could this be.

3. How was this man able to walk away after shooting Charlie while carrying a rifle?

This also is in evidence. The rifle they say he used to shoot Charlie was found in a park a very good distance from the campus. How did it get there? Another question about the evidence.

4. TPUSA is a very powerful political organization. Donald Trump and several other politicians gave this organization credit for getting him elected.

This is also evidence, these statements were made during the memorial service in Phoenix, and as that was streamed around the world we have millions of witnesses and recordings of this.

5. As a result of this assassination Erika Kirk became the CEO of TPUSA.

Once again, this is evidence. Certainly can be entered into a court of Law.

6. Also, immediately after this assassination, after Erika Kirk took control she canceled the full audit that Charlie had scheduled because of concerns over how the money donated to this non profit was being spent.

This is based on testimony from those inside the company who for obvious reasons want to remain anonymous. But if this were ever to get to court they could testify there.

7. Charlie’s mom and sister both feel something is wrong with Erika and have said so. This is why they refused to come to the Memorial in Phoenix.

Once again, a fact that they did not come to the Memorial and have publicly stated that they felt something was wrong with Erika.

8. Charlie’s father also refused to come to the Memorial in Phoenix.

9. Some of the long time donors to TPUSA have frozen their donations after the audit was cancelled because of the lack of transparency.

10. Erika Kirk has direct links to the military industrial complex, her father is an executive for Raytheon and was instrumental in the building of Israel’s Iron Dome and her mother runs a company based in Arizona that receives military contracts. Erika herself ran a charity out of Romania called “Romanian Angels” for orphans. She also knew Trump prior to meeting Charlie because she was in his beauty pageants.

11. Erika Kirk was on Jesse Watters show and was interviewed, He asked her if she thought the person that was in custody was the one who killed her husband and was solely responsible. She refused to answer that question saying only that she trusts the investigators will find the truth.

12. The director of the FBI was also asked and said it was an ongoing investigation, they have not closed it yet and they are not claiming anything more than that the man in custody was involved. So neither Erika nor the FBI director are claiming the man in custody is the one who killed Charlie, they are not claiming the investigation is over, they are not even claiming they know who killed Charlie.

13. Meanwhile we have several very outspoken members of this thread with StanDupp being the latest one, telling people to shut up, the case is closed. Think of the arrogance to say this when the FBI director and Charlie’s widow won’t even say that. StanDupp is saying that anyone who does not go along with his demand that the case is closed is getting “The Clueless Award”. He also refers to anyone who is questioning this and concerned with the truth about what happened as liars, cheats, frauds and heretics.

In fact all 13 points are facts. Not all would be used as evidence in a trial, doubt point 13 would ever make it into the trial, but they are all facts, all evidence.
 
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You wait, eventually the Charlie Kirk topic will pass and we'll see what foolishness she'll come up with next like Trump is really a Mossod robot and she'll claim to have "receipts" to prove it View attachment 282081
If Candace Owens claims Trump is a Mossod robot, you better believe Trump is a Mossod robot. Her track record is impeccable.

Trump being a Mossod robot would actually explain his immediate change from MAGA to MIGA post election, but I'll wait for Candace to confirm.
 
There is asking a question... and then there's purposefully misleading the public and defaming others through the form of "just asking a question". But I don't think you'll admit to the difference.

"My insiders tell me that ZNP abuses puppies. What sort of person would do that with no remorse? I'm just asking the question. Anyone not questioning this is obviously abusing puppies, too."

Slander is still slander, even in the form of a question.


Exactly, she's not new to this, she knows exactly what she's doing. Accusing Israel, in the middle of war, of killing Kirk. She drums up all these conspiracies and no one has sued her yet so she will continue with this stupidity. Once someone sues and wins big, she'll be checking her facts before she spews nonsense.
 
We are discussing the evidence.

Summary of what we know so far

Here are questions and facts concerning the assassination.

1. The Feds say a 30-06 bullet severed Charlies spine in his neck.

The feds making an official statement is evidence that can be entered in court.

So then we are discussing this evidence: it would seem to be absurd because if that bullet had severed the spine it would have decapitated Charlie. So this is the first very big question. Why would they be disingenuous about this?

2. How was it that security did not see this man on the roof with a gun?

This is also evidence. The claim is he was on a roof 200 yards away and shot Charlie from that position. TPUSA admits Charlie had security. So either they saw this man and did nothing or they didn't see him. Either way it looks very bad for them, but seeing him and not doing anything is much worse. Better to be incompetent than evil. So we are discussing this evidence, which we have video tape of, wondering how could this be.

3. How was this man able to walk away after shooting Charlie while carrying a rifle?

This also is in evidence. The rifle they say he used to shoot Charlie was found in a park a very good distance from the campus. How did it get there? Another question about the evidence.

4. TPUSA is a very powerful political organization. Donald Trump and several other politicians gave this organization credit for getting him elected.

This is also evidence, these statements were made during the memorial service in Phoenix, and as that was streamed around the world we have millions of witnesses and recordings of this.

5. As a result of this assassination Erika Kirk became the CEO of TPUSA.

Once again, this is evidence. Certainly can be entered into a court of Law.

6. Also, immediately after this assassination, after Erika Kirk took control she canceled the full audit that Charlie had scheduled because of concerns over how the money donated to this non profit was being spent.

This is based on testimony from those inside the company who for obvious reasons want to remain anonymous. But if this were ever to get to court they could testify there.

7. Charlie’s mom and sister both feel something is wrong with Erika and have said so. This is why they refused to come to the Memorial in Phoenix.

Once again, a fact that they did not come to the Memorial and have publicly stated that they felt something was wrong with Erika.

8. Charlie’s father also refused to come to the Memorial in Phoenix.

9. Some of the long time donors to TPUSA have frozen their donations after the audit was cancelled because of the lack of transparency.

10. Erika Kirk has direct links to the military industrial complex, her father is an executive for Raytheon and was instrumental in the building of Israel’s Iron Dome and her mother runs a company based in Arizona that receives military contracts. Erika herself ran a charity out of Romania called “Romanian Angels” for orphans. She also knew Trump prior to meeting Charlie because she was in his beauty pageants.

11. Erika Kirk was on Jesse Watters show and was interviewed, He asked her if she thought the person that was in custody was the one who killed her husband and was solely responsible. She refused to answer that question saying only that she trusts the investigators will find the truth.

12. The director of the FBI was also asked and said it was an ongoing investigation, they have not closed it yet and they are not claiming anything more than that the man in custody was involved. So neither Erika nor the FBI director are claiming the man in custody is the one who killed Charlie, they are not claiming the investigation is over, they are not even claiming they know who killed Charlie.

13. Meanwhile we have several very outspoken members of this thread with StanDupp being the latest one, telling people to shut up, the case is closed. Think of the arrogance to say this when the FBI director and Charlie’s widow won’t even say that. StanDupp is saying that anyone who does not go along with his demand that the case is closed is getting “The Clueless Award”. He also refers to anyone who is questioning this and concerned with the truth about what happened as liars, cheats, frauds and heretics.

In fact all 13 points are facts. Not all would be used as evidence in a trial, doubt point 13 would ever make it into the trial, but they are all facts, all evidence.
Candice Owens has already destroyed her credibility with anyone who's connected to reality.
Sued her high school for racial discrimination and now she pretends racism doesn't exist.

trash talking LGBT people while being married to a catholic, the biggest pedophile protecting agency on the planet.

she said dinosaurs weren't real.

and don't even get me started on all the anti-semitic crap she says
 
If Candace Owens claims Trump is a Mossod robot, you better believe Trump is a Mossod robot. Her track record is impeccable.

Trump being a Mossod robot would actually explain his immediate change from MAGA to MIGA post election, but I'll wait for Candace to confirm.

It was always there if one goes back into his old statements, funding for his projects etc.,
He was a "useful idiot" so to speak, who was able to mobilize support because of his appeal.

He is part of the cover-up now, that much is obvious.

I am glad you are being objective about him.
 
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In fact all 13 points are facts. Not all would be used as evidence in a trial, doubt point 13 would ever make it into the trial, but they are all facts, all evidence.

That are all in fact just more tin foil hat speculation



Exactly, she's not new to this, she knows exactly what she's doing. Accusing Israel, in the middle of war, of killing Kirk. She drums up all these conspiracies and no one has sued her yet so she will continue with this stupidity. Once someone sues and wins big, she'll be checking her facts before she spews nonsense.

It's all part of the business plan for people like her who are out to make money thru conspiracy theories.

She'll probably end up like Alex Jones someday which will be pretty comical to see.



If you suspect that might be happening, you might want to see a doctor.

He can't since all he sees is invisible unicorns from an alternate dimension might be flying out of my butt :ROFL:




So perhaps you should start paying attention to what is being demonstrated?

Speculation Candance Owens talks about is not what is happening.
 
That are all in fact just more tin foil hat speculation





It's all part of the business plan for people like her who are out to make money thru conspiracy theories.

She'll probably end up like Alex Jones someday which will be pretty comical to see.





He can't since all he sees is invisible unicorns from an alternate dimension might be flying out of my butt :ROFL:






Speculation Candance Owens talks about is not what is happening.
Candice Owens is essentially the female version of Alex Jones and should never be taken seriously about anything ever
 
We are discussing the evidence.

Summary of what we know so far

Here are questions and facts concerning the assassination.

1. The Feds say a 30-06 bullet severed Charlies spine in his neck.

The feds making an official statement is evidence that can be entered in court.

So then we are discussing this evidence: it would seem to be absurd because if that bullet had severed the spine it would have decapitated Charlie. So this is the first very big question. Why would they be disingenuous about this?

2. How was it that security did not see this man on the roof with a gun?

This is also evidence. The claim is he was on a roof 200 yards away and shot Charlie from that position. TPUSA admits Charlie had security. So either they saw this man and did nothing or they didn't see him. Either way it looks very bad for them, but seeing him and not doing anything is much worse. Better to be incompetent than evil. So we are discussing this evidence, which we have video tape of, wondering how could this be.

3. How was this man able to walk away after shooting Charlie while carrying a rifle?

This also is in evidence. The rifle they say he used to shoot Charlie was found in a park a very good distance from the campus. How did it get there? Another question about the evidence.

4. TPUSA is a very powerful political organization. Donald Trump and several other politicians gave this organization credit for getting him elected.

This is also evidence, these statements were made during the memorial service in Phoenix, and as that was streamed around the world we have millions of witnesses and recordings of this.

5. As a result of this assassination Erika Kirk became the CEO of TPUSA.

Once again, this is evidence. Certainly can be entered into a court of Law.

6. Also, immediately after this assassination, after Erika Kirk took control she canceled the full audit that Charlie had scheduled because of concerns over how the money donated to this non profit was being spent.

This is based on testimony from those inside the company who for obvious reasons want to remain anonymous. But if this were ever to get to court they could testify there.

7. Charlie’s mom and sister both feel something is wrong with Erika and have said so. This is why they refused to come to the Memorial in Phoenix.

Once again, a fact that they did not come to the Memorial and have publicly stated that they felt something was wrong with Erika.

8. Charlie’s father also refused to come to the Memorial in Phoenix.

9. Some of the long time donors to TPUSA have frozen their donations after the audit was cancelled because of the lack of transparency.

10. Erika Kirk has direct links to the military industrial complex, her father is an executive for Raytheon and was instrumental in the building of Israel’s Iron Dome and her mother runs a company based in Arizona that receives military contracts. Erika herself ran a charity out of Romania called “Romanian Angels” for orphans. She also knew Trump prior to meeting Charlie because she was in his beauty pageants.

11. Erika Kirk was on Jesse Watters show and was interviewed, He asked her if she thought the person that was in custody was the one who killed her husband and was solely responsible. She refused to answer that question saying only that she trusts the investigators will find the truth.

12. The director of the FBI was also asked and said it was an ongoing investigation, they have not closed it yet and they are not claiming anything more than that the man in custody was involved. So neither Erika nor the FBI director are claiming the man in custody is the one who killed Charlie, they are not claiming the investigation is over, they are not even claiming they know who killed Charlie.

13. Meanwhile we have several very outspoken members of this thread with StanDupp being the latest one, telling people to shut up, the case is closed. Think of the arrogance to say this when the FBI director and Charlie’s widow won’t even say that. StanDupp is saying that anyone who does not go along with his demand that the case is closed is getting “The Clueless Award”. He also refers to anyone who is questioning this and concerned with the truth about what happened as liars, cheats, frauds and heretics.

In fact all 13 points are facts. Not all would be used as evidence in a trial, doubt point 13 would ever make it into the trial, but they are all facts, all evidence.
Candice Owens has already destroyed her credibility with anyone who's connected to reality.
Sued her high school for racial discrimination and now she pretends racism doesn't exist.

trash talking LGBT people while being married to a catholic, the biggest pedophile protecting agency on the planet.

she said dinosaurs weren't real.

and don't even get me started on all the anti-semitic crap she says
LOL Are you saying that anyone married to a Catholic is protecting pedophiles? Because if you aren't saying that what is your point?

Dude, you are the one who has destroyed your credibility.
 
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