Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View
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Shows you have more wisdom than I. I deal with what I need to at times to get into some of the substantive stuff. I got to reread a good article on Rom1:5 and find a Romans commentary series I forgot I had and reread sections of the Greek Grammar I was taught from a few decades ago. I also got to see that AI likes my writing style and expertise in biblical studies and Greek grammar and sees me as an engaged researcher. Life is good...
Answering for myself, at this time, and on and off with @LightBearer316, nothing of benefit to anybody. Since you asked, my apology to you for my part in the un-Scriptural nonsense, but not in doing the work to show how the Word is being misrepresented interpretatively and in some other ways.
For my part, I’m not misrepresenting Scripture but quoting it directly and letting context speak.
We may disagree on interpretation, but that’s not “nonsense” — it’s exactly what healthy study and comparison are for. As always, the goal is truth, not winning an exchange. Yet your continued use of Ai has made that impossible.
Numbers 32:23 (KJV) — “your sins will find you out.” Proof
According to more than one scholar your references led us to, you are misrepresenting Scripture and are most definitely doing more than quoting it and letting context speak.
The nonsense this round IMO began here, continued here, then here, etc. Is this "healthy study"?
The AI ruse is an excuse when you get obviously frustrated and start talking to a supposed crowd, which is not only rude, but fallacious argumentation.
Telling others to ignore me and stalking me on the News forum trying to discredit me there is beyond bad behavior.
I suppose you think you're going to just get me to submit to your error or bow out from dealing with you and it. And it seems you think that the above bad behavior and manufacturing some supposed IT friend and "Proof" to infer I'm in sin is not for "winning an exchange".
These are poor debate tactics and poor behavior put forth when you don't get your way.
Along the way in this thread, the scholarly work of BDAG, Thayer, Turner, Wallace, Cranfield, and Garlington plus a few posters on this thread have all refuted you. You've also refuted your own credibility by misrepresenting most of those scholars.
If you want to stick to Scripture, then do so. I'll stick with you for as much as I choose to.
Better yet, put me on ignore and you can more easily pretend you're not being refuted.
You’ve written a lot here, but none of it actually deals with the text.
My references were clear and accurately cited — if you think BDAG, Thayer, or Wallace disagree, quote them directly instead of asserting it.
I haven’t “stalked” or “manufactured” anything; I’ve simply shown the inconsistency between your claims and Scripture.
I’ll stay focused on the Word — because that’s where truth, not ego, is proven.
Numbers 32:23 (KJV) — your sins will find you out Studier all you do is use Ai.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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So bottom line, what's the issue between both of you?
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Every baptism from Acts on is immersion; there are our examples.
1 Corinthians 1:17 (KJV)
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
If baptism were what actually saves, then his statement in 1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV would logically read like this parody I just wrote:
“Christ sent me not to get anyone actually saved by baptism, but just to waste time preaching the gospel which doesn’t save.”
That absurdity exposes the contradiction in baptism-as-salvation theology.
Paul couldn’t have separated his mission (“to preach the gospel”) from the supposed means of salvation (baptism) if both were equally necessary.
His words only make sense if the gospel message itself saves through faith (Romans 1:16 KJV; 1 Cor 15:1-4 kJV) and baptism follows as a public testimony of that saving faith.
Why Baptism Can’t Be What Saves
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture verses!
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
If baptism were what actually saves, then his statement in 1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV would logically read like this parody I just wrote:
“Christ sent me not to get anyone actually saved by baptism, but just to waste time preaching the gospel which doesn’t save.”
That absurdity exposes the contradiction in baptism-as-salvation theology.
Paul couldn’t have separated his mission (“to preach the gospel”) from the supposed means of salvation (baptism) if both were equally necessary.
His words only make sense if the gospel message itself saves through faith (Romans 1:16 KJV; 1 Cor 15:1-4 kJV) and baptism follows as a public testimony of that saving faith.
Why Baptism Can’t Be What Saves
- Paul separated it from the gospel.
In 1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV, he thanked God he baptized only a few and said Christ sent him not to baptize but to preach the gospel. If baptism were what saves, that statement would make no sense. - The thief on the cross was never baptized.
Yet Jesus told him, “Today shalt thou be with Me in paradise.” (Luke 23:43 KJV) Salvation came by faith, not ceremony. - Cornelius received the Holy Ghost before baptism.
Acts 10 shows forgiveness and the Spirit coming while Peter yet spake these words. The water followed, it didn’t cause. - Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV rules out any ritual.
“By grace are ye saved through faith… not of works.” A physical act can’t be part of grace. - Baptism testifies—grace saves.
The water is a public confession that we’ve trusted Christ’s finished work. The cross saves; baptism declares it.
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture verses!
No real “issue,” just a sharp disagreement about how salvation and grace are presented in Scripture.
I believe the Bible teaches salvation by grace through faith alone — not by baptism or any outward work — and I’ve been backing that with context and citations.
Unfortunately, what started as theological debate drifted into personal accusations and off-topic noise. I’m fine to keep it strictly biblical from here on out.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture verses!
No real “issue,” just a sharp disagreement about how salvation and grace are presented in Scripture.
I believe the Bible teaches salvation by grace through faith alone — not by baptism or any outward work — and I’ve been backing that with context and citations.
Unfortunately, what started as theological debate drifted into personal accusations and off-topic noise. I’m fine to keep it strictly biblical from here on out.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
This isn't true. Many trials were baptisms by fire. Whenever the Spirit fell accompanied by signs and wonders and rejoicing, that is the baptism with the Spirit.
none of those scriptures say immersion.
The word baptize means immersion
G907 βαπτίζω baptizo (ɓap-tiy'-zō) v.
1. to immerse (in), submerge.
2. to make whelmed or soaked (i.e. fully wet).
Just pretense and denial.
I've done the basic work in all 3 of those references for you to prove you misrepresented them. The record is in the thread.
You have in fact followed me over to news threads you're not even participating in simply to carry on some silly campaign about me - here & here - as you know, tech with search capabilities is pretty simple to use.
It would be good to see you stay focused on the Word and not doing the things just identified and using the other tactics I and others have shown you use.
When you stay focused on the Word, I and others can show your errors, as we have been doing. Maybe we'll even find some things to agree on.
May I again suggest you follow your own advice and put me on ignore? Honestly, it doesn't bother me a bit. I use the option myself.
It's mostly all in this thread. It takes some reading. It's more than theological disagreement.
Acts 10:44-46. The day of Pentecost is another. And there are others throughout the book of Acts.
Have you never been baptized with the Spirit?