Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

So says the person who claims they are not a Calvinist, yet posts a picture of John Calvin University as if that somehow helps their case. You, sir, are a walking contradiction.




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see your showing you hate people you see as calvinists

Gods will says to love your enemy.

So who's will do you have.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

False! Scripture does not teach that. Your presuppositional eisegeis of 2Pet 3:9, by which you ignore context, tells you that!

The verse says, "any" and "all."

2 Peter 3:9 KJV

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;​

but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."​

Even the context is not exclusively about the Elect leading up to verse nine, and immediately after it:

1. Scoffers (unsaved people) are in the context

2 Peter 3:3–4 – “there shall come in the last days scoffers”​

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2. The world is in the context

2 Peter 3:6 – “the world that then was”​

3. Ungodly men are in the context

2 Peter 3:7 – “perdition of ungodly men”​

4. God calls all to repentance

2 Peter 3:9 – “not willing that any should perish”​

5. The Day of the Lord affects all mankind

2 Peter 3:10 – “the day of the Lord will come”​

2 Peter 3:14 says to believers,

“Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.” ​

This makes no sense within Calvinism. If the beloved were already unconditionally elect, already guaranteed to be blameless and at peace with God, then why command them to be diligent to be found that way. This instruction only makes sense if believers truly have responsibility before God and must choose to walk rightly rather than assuming automatic blamelessness.

Jonah declared that in forty days Nineveh would be overthrown. Yet this destruction never came because the people heeded their king’s counsel. The king of Nineveh urged the nation to cry out unto God and to forsake their evil ways in the hope of averting judgment. The people obeyed, and God turned back from the evil He had said He would bring upon them. Jonah 3:10 says, “And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way, and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them, and he did it not.” This shows that the Ninevites averted judgment through repentance and not because God had elected them to salvation.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV says,

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;​

because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."​

So according to 2 Thessalonians 2:10, what is the reason why those who perish are perishing?
Does it say it is because God did not Elect them?
Or is it because they received not the love of the truth, that they MIGHT be saved?
Please understand that there is no MIGHT be saved in Calvinism.
Yet, that is what the Bible says.

How do you explain this?









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[Jordon]

The verse says, "any" and "all" and it does not refer only to the Elect in context.

2 Peter 3:9 KJV

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;​

but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."​

Even the context is not exclusively about the Elect leading up to verse nine, and immediately after it:

1. Scoffers (unsaved people) are in the context

2 Peter 3:3–4 – “there shall come in the last days scoffers”​

​

2. The world is in the context

2 Peter 3:6 – “the world that then was”​

3. Ungodly men are in the context

2 Peter 3:7 – “perdition of ungodly men”​

4. God calls all to repentance

2 Peter 3:9 – “not willing that any should perish”​

5. The Day of the Lord affects all mankind

2 Peter 3:10 – “the day of the Lord will come”​

2 Peter 3:14 says to believers, “Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.” This makes no sense within Calvinism. If the beloved were already unconditionally elect, already guaranteed to be blameless and at peace with God, then why command them to be diligent to be found that way. This instruction only makes sense if believers truly have responsibility before God and must choose to walk rightly rather than assuming automatic blamelessness.

Jonah declared that in forty days Nineveh would be overthrown. Yet this destruction never came because the people heeded their king’s counsel. The king of Nineveh urged the nation to cry out unto God and to forsake their evil ways in the hope of averting judgment. The people obeyed, and God turned back from the evil He had said He would bring upon them. Jonah 3:10 says, “And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way, and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them, and he did it not.” This shows that the Ninevites averted judgment through repentance and not because God had elected them to salvation.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV says,

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;​

because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."​

So according to 2 Thessalonians 2:10, what is the reason why those who perish are perishing?
Does it say it is because God did not Elect them?
Or is it because they received not the love of the truth, that they MIGHT be saved?
Please understand that there is no MIGHT be saved in Calvinism.
Yet, that is what the Bible says.

How do you explain this?









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does Thessalonians 2:10 have to prove calvinism wrong. ? Would you like it to by your will or his will

I thought that verse was for another reason

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

see your showing you hate people you see as calvinists

Gods will says to love your enemy.

So who's will do you have.

Exposing false beliefs is not hating your enemy but it is loving them.
Do you not correct other false beliefs like Catholicism, the JW religion, or Darwinism?

Are you even aware of the many places in Scripture that Paul talks about false beliefs or or false teachers?

2 Corinthians 11:13–15
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

1 Timothy 1:19–20
"Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck.
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

2 Timothy 2:17–18
"And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.""

Are you going to throw Paul under the bus for doing this, too?

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[Bible_Highlighter]

does Thessalonians 2:10 have to prove calvinism wrong. ? Would you like it to by your will or his will

I thought that verse was for another reason

That does not address what 2 Thessalonians 2:10 actually says.
Please try again.




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[Jordon]

That does not address what 2 Thessalonians 2:10 actually says.
Please try again.




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I'll ask again sir

Calvin's university teaches obedience to the father.

Why bother teaching that if your already saved ?

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

@Jordon : How's my Non-Free Willing Mate going today?!

 

[Jordon]

@Jordon : How's my Non-Free Willing Mate going today?!

doing fine thanks im being as rude as possible

 

[Jordon]

That does not address what 2 Thessalonians 2:10 actually says.
Please try again.




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Does the Calvin university teach obedience to the father

This is what I get


Yes, Calvin University teaches the principle of obedience to God, which its theological tradition views as obedience to the "heavenly Father," and its teachings on the fifth commandment explicitly extend this to obedience to parents and other authorities, provided their commands do not conflict with God's will.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

How is it John Calvin taught being obedient to the father if he only believed you where saved before you realised it. ?

Actually John Calvin believed in a sin and still be saved belief like most of Christianity today.

Here are a few of his comments on three key verses that justify sin while still believing they are saved:

1 John 1:8

“If we say… He now commends grace from its necessity; for as no one is free from sin, he intimates that we are all lost and undone, except the Lord comes to our aid with the remedy of pardon. The reason why he so much dwells on the fact, that no one is innocent, is, that all may now fully know that they stand in need of mercy, to deliver them from punishment, and that they may thus be more roused to seek the necessary blessing.”​

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Romans 7

“Sold under sin. By this expression Paul shows the strength which sin has in itself. By nature man is no less a slave to sin, then the bondmen whom their masters buy and ill-treat at will, as if they were oxen or asses. You are so completely driven by the power of sin, that our whole mind, our whole heart, and all our actions are inclined to sin... This is the Christian warfare between flesh and spirit, of which Paul speaks in Gal. 5.17… We may do dues from this what we stated previously, that Paul is here speaking of believers. Some grace of the Spirit exists in them... because the flesh does not hate sin.”​

1 Timothy 1:15 (“chief of sinners”)

“He goes on to say, ‘of whom I am chief.’ It was the same man that said, without supposing that he was contradicting this utterance at all, ‘touching the righteousness which is in the law’ I was ‘blameless.’ And yet, ‘I am chief.’ So all true men who have ever shown us their heart, in telling their Christian faith, have repeated Paul’s statement.”​

Yet, none of these verses are saying that you can sin and still be saved. People just use these verses out of context to the surrounding verses or the rest of the Bible to justify that idea.


Sources:

1 John 1:8

• Work: "Commentary on the Catholic Epistles" by John Calvin
• Edition/Series: Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by the Calvin Translation Society (1847)
• Reference: 1 John 1:8, “If we say… He now commends grace from its necessity; for as no one is free from sin, he intimates that we are all lost and undone, except the Lord comes to our aid with the remedy of pardon…”
• Where to Find: See the Calvin Translation Society edition, "Commentary on the First Epistle of John," especially near 1 John 1:8. Digital sources include the Christian Classics Ethereal Library (CCEL) and BibleHub’s Calvin commentary section for 1 John 1:8. In printed volumes, this is often in "Commentaries on the Catholic Epistles" pp. 163–165 (CCEL pagination).

Romans 7

• Work: "Commentary on the Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Romans" by John Calvin
• Edition: Calvin’s Commentaries, tr. Calvin Translation Society, 1849
• Reference: Romans 7 (esp. v.14-25 sections). For example, "Sold under sin. By this expression Paul shows the strength which sin has in itself..." This is found under his remarks on Romans 7:14–25.
• Where to Find: In the CTS/CCEL volume, look for Calvin’s exegesis of Romans 7:14–25. In most standard printings, this is pp. 264–270.

1 Timothy 1:15 (“chief of sinners”)

• Work: "Commentary on the Epistles to Timothy, Titus, and Philemon" by John Calvin
• Edition: Calvin Translation Society, 1856
• Reference: On 1 Timothy 1:15, “He goes on to say, ‘of whom I am chief.’ … So all true men who have ever shown us their heart, in telling their Christian faith, have repeated Paul’s statement.”
• Where to Find: In the CTS/CCEL edition, the relevant section is at 1 Timothy 1:15, typically pp. 21–23 of that commentary.

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[Jordon]

Actually John Calvin believed in a sin and still be saved belief like most of Christianity today.

Here are a few of his comments on three key verses that justify sin while still believing they are saved:

1 John 1:8

“If we say… He now commends grace from its necessity; for as no one is free from sin, he intimates that we are all lost and undone, except the Lord comes to our aid with the remedy of pardon. The reason why he so much dwells on the fact, that no one is innocent, is, that all may now fully know that they stand in need of mercy, to deliver them from punishment, and that they may thus be more roused to seek the necessary blessing.”​

​

Romans 7

“Sold under sin. By this expression Paul shows the strength which sin has in itself. By nature man is no less a slave to sin, then the bondmen whom their masters buy and ill-treat at will, as if they were oxen or asses. You are so completely driven by the power of sin, that our whole mind, our whole heart, and all our actions are inclined to sin... This is the Christian warfare between flesh and spirit, of which Paul speaks in Gal. 5.17… We may do dues from this what we stated previously, that Paul is here speaking of believers. Some grace of the Spirit exists in them... because the flesh does not hate sin.”​

1 Timothy 1:15 (“chief of sinners”)

“He goes on to say, ‘of whom I am chief.’ It was the same man that said, without supposing that he was contradicting this utterance at all, ‘touching the righteousness which is in the law’ I was ‘blameless.’ And yet, ‘I am chief.’ So all true men who have ever shown us their heart, in telling their Christian faith, have repeated Paul’s statement.”​

Yet, none of these verses are saying that you can sin and still be saved. People just use these verses out of context to the surrounding verses or the rest of the Bible to justify that idea.


Sources:

1 John 1:8

• Work: "Commentary on the Catholic Epistles" by John Calvin
• Edition/Series: Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by the Calvin Translation Society (1847)
• Reference: 1 John 1:8, “If we say… He now commends grace from its necessity; for as no one is free from sin, he intimates that we are all lost and undone, except the Lord comes to our aid with the remedy of pardon…”
• Where to Find: See the Calvin Translation Society edition, "Commentary on the First Epistle of John," especially near 1 John 1:8. Digital sources include the Christian Classics Ethereal Library (CCEL) and BibleHub’s Calvin commentary section for 1 John 1:8. In printed volumes, this is often in "Commentaries on the Catholic Epistles" pp. 163–165 (CCEL pagination).

Romans 7

• Work: "Commentary on the Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Romans" by John Calvin
• Edition: Calvin’s Commentaries, tr. Calvin Translation Society, 1849
• Reference: Romans 7 (esp. v.14-25 sections). For example, "Sold under sin. By this expression Paul shows the strength which sin has in itself..." This is found under his remarks on Romans 7:14–25.
• Where to Find: In the CTS/CCEL volume, look for Calvin’s exegesis of Romans 7:14–25. In most standard printings, this is pp. 264–270.

1 Timothy 1:15 (“chief of sinners”)

• Work: "Commentary on the Epistles to Timothy, Titus, and Philemon" by John Calvin
• Edition: Calvin Translation Society, 1856
• Reference: On 1 Timothy 1:15, “He goes on to say, ‘of whom I am chief.’ … So all true men who have ever shown us their heart, in telling their Christian faith, have repeated Paul’s statement.”
• Where to Find: In the CTS/CCEL edition, the relevant section is at 1 Timothy 1:15, typically pp. 21–23 of that commentary.

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I can't read scripture on the bases of you wanting me to curse a good person sorry.

Maybe you can but I can't.

And again do you sin

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

ask your chat AI this

You ask it like it is some kind of private pet that I alone own.
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Does the Calvin university teach obedience to the father

This is what I get

Yes, Calvin University teaches the principle of obedience to God, which its theological tradition views as obedience to the "heavenly Father," and its teachings on the fifth commandment explicitly extend this to obedience to parents and other authorities, provided their commands do not conflict with God's will.

If the University holds to John Calvin's teachings, then chances are they believe a lot of what he taught.
John Calvin taught you can sin and still be saved on some level.
They did not teach what the Bible teaches in that you must confess and forsake your sins to have mercy.

Proverbs 28:13 KJV

“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.”​

How is one forsaking sin if one justifies it?




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[Blue155]

The fact that He did not prevent the fall, does not mean that He takes pleasure in it.

Never said He did took pleasure in it, but did He eternally decree it to happen?

 

[Jordon]

You ask it like it is some kind of private pet that I alone own.
Within seconds you can ask these kinds of questions yourself.

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If the University holds to John Calvin's teachings, then chances are they believe a lot of what he taught.
John Calvin taught you can sin and still be saved on some level.
They did not teach what the Bible teaches in that you must confess and forsake your sins to have mercy.

Proverbs 28:13 KJV

“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.”​

How is one forsaking sin if one justifies it?




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no if you ask chat ai to dig up dirt it will.

And if you program it with more dirt it gets more dirty.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I can't read scripture on the bases of you wanting me to curse a good person sorry.

Maybe you can but I can't.

And again do you sin

It is written,

5 "Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.
6 For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man's enemies are the men of his own house." (Micah 7:5-6).

In addition, would you believe me if I told you about my life? Well, trust needs to be earned. I confide in those who believe the Word of God as I do. Furthermore, it does not matter if most of the whole world was not living correctly. God's Word is still the standard and the standard is not my life alone. God destroyed an entire world with a global flood except for eight people. We walk by faith and not by sight. I am not above God's Word in what it says anymore than you are. If the Bible tells me to be ye holy, that is something I have to accept (Whether I like it or not).

Have you ever read 1 Peter 4:1 lately?
How about 2 Corinthians 7:1?
What about Ephesians 5:25-27?

My guess is that you don't care about these verses.
They will be brushed aside just like 2 Thessalonians 2:10 is brushed aside.



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[Magenta]

John Calvin taught you can sin and still be saved on some level.

Are you one of those sinless perfectionists, pretending you never sin but are still saved?

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

doing fine thanks im being as rude as possible

@Jordon : That is excellent!!! Keep up the good work!

 

[Jordon]

@Jordon : That is excellent!!! Keep up the good work!

no problem. Rude boy

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

no if you ask chat ai to dig up dirt it will.

And if you program it with more dirt it gets more dirty.

While Ai's can make mistakes, that is where you have to do your due diligence and look up those sources that would back up what it says. Do you see Arminianism as dirt? Do you see other false religions as dirt? If so, then how can you expose these false beliefs to others so as to warn others not to fall into the same trap? Would it be wrong for you to warn others of false beliefs?

See, truth is not your enemy.
Ai's are just software that can help you to gain information.
You can either use that information to defend the faith or not.
The choice is absolutely up to you.


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[OLDBUTNEW]

no problem. Rude boy

@Jordon : I love it!!!! Keep it coming!!!!! I haven't been this entertained since THE BENNY HILL SHOW finished, back in 1988!!