Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

Ive just been trembling like a leaf researching this m

 

[sawdust]

Pelagian heretics are "allergic" to truth telling. That is why they contradict and deny so much of what Scripture explicitly articulates.

They have the incurably wicked heart of the man who is incapable of submitting to or obeying God doing
just that by choosing to believe what he is inherently opposed to, and can neither receive nor comprehend.

When you find some go and rant at them.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 6 v 23~ The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Jordon]

Here is scriptural evidence of enabling grace.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Grace is God's power to do what man cannot do, given freely based on His goodwill.

well brilliant thanks

I like it a lot, it would be so nice to hear many more say this.

But then I wonder it's one thing to say it and it's another to forget.

What happens if you forget surely you can be forgiven.

I mean which truly unsaved person comes to know this by there free will.

 

[Blue155]

@sawdust, Calvinism has such a screwed up version of God. They have it so wrong on His omniscience, foreknowledge, predestination, elect, choose, etc etc.

 

[Jordon]

@sawdust, Calvinism has such a screwed up version of God. They have it so wrong on His omniscience, foreknowledge, predestination, elect, choose, etc etc.

hey blue you need a wife dude your out of control

 

[Magenta]

@sawdust, Calvinism has such a screwed up version of God. They have it so wrong on His omniscience, foreknowledge, predestination, elect, choose, etc etc.

Are you another one of those who says everyone hears even though Jesus said otherwise?

Are you going to tell us a leopard can change its spots as well???

Romans 7 v 14, John 8 v 34, Jeremiah 13 v 23, Romans 3 v 10 ~ We know that the law is spiritual; but
I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.” Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Neither are you able to do good - you who are accustomed to doing evil. There is no one righteous, not even one.

 

[Blue155]

When you find some go and rant at them.

So glad I put her on ignore. She’s definitely a spewer of Calvin

 

[Jordon]

Are you another one of those who says everyone hears even though Jesus said otherwise?

he's got his concrete head on no point in asking it can't be exploded.

It blew up long ago

There is only a certain seed that can grow in concrete m

 

[Jordon]

So glad I put her on ignore. She’s definitely a spewer of Calvin

you just shot the messenger again

 

[Jordon]

Do you care m ?

 

[Magenta]

you just shot the messenger again

They want us to repent of believing what the Bible explicitly articulates because they hate what it says...

 

[Jordon]

They want us to repent of believing what the Bible explicitly articulates because they hate what it says...

That's what the law of sin decrees m.

The wages for sin is death God decreed it not us right

 

[Magenta]

So glad I put her on ignore. She’s definitely a spewer of Calvin

Did Calvin write this and sneak it into the Bible when no one was looking?

Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.

 

[Jordon]

Did Calvin write this and sneak it into the Bible when no one was looking?

Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.

I asked him the same question I asked was Paul a calvinist, he was predestined, guess what m, he pretended to ignore that to.

I guess you call that willfully living by the law of sin

 

[Jordon]

So glad I put her on ignore. She’s definitely a spewer of Calvin

You know Calvin is so well loved somebody honoured him by building a college and named it after him.

I wonder if you will ever have that honour

 

[Jordon]

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

your blessing me one minute and cursing me the next I don't know whether you have conviction or whether you would rather use Gods word to condemn.

Well, if people say dumb or foolish things, I am going to call them out on it. That does not mean I am cursing them by any means. But this is the MO (modus operandi) of some Calvinists. Play the victim card so that way you do not have to deal with explaining verses like 2 Thessalonians 2:10. An attack on a belief such as the teachings of Calvinism in some form does not equate with my cursing you by any means. My pointing out your strange and kooky conspiracy theories involving the internet does not amount to meaning I am cursing you, either. Please provide actual post numbers of my cursing you. If not, then it is simply false slander on your end.

I've already told you I'm not a calvinist.

We have already been over this gaslighting tactic with you and another poster in this thread. It is not going to work anymore. As I said before, this is like a Catholic who practices Catholicism 100% of the time but claims they are not a Catholic and then plays the victim card if somebody says they are. Even if you say you are not a Calvinist in name, you defend John Calvin, you attend a Reformed church, and you defend the very heart of Calvinist doctrine. If you prefer not to be called a Calvinist, then simply say you prefer not to be called a Calvinist, even though you are one in practice and you agree with several aspects of their teaching. However, please stop playing the victim card. It is not going to work on me or others here.

And whilst you may like looking for dirt, as that's what worms do on the internet, because worms are virus, are you one ? You look like one, does your free will entitle you ?

Proverbs 27:5
"Open rebuke is better than secret love."

A principle supporting open and visible reproof when needed.

Psalm 94:16
"Who will rise up for me against the evildoers or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity"

Standing up against evil implies confronting and exposing it.

1 Timothy 5:20
"Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear."

This is a direct command to expose open sin publicly in certain situations.

And whilst you may like looking for dirt, as that's what worms do on the internet, because worms are virus, are you one ? You look like one, does your free will entitle you ?

This is just baseless name calling that does not further the conversation about a believer's free will choice in choosing God, which I believe only exists under His drawing, conviction, and enlightenment.

If God does not draw, convict a person of their sin, or enlighten their understanding, then they are going to stay blinded by the devil and will not be able to break the chains needed to make a free will choice concerning God. So you can keep saying the words "your free will" to me all you want, but if you understand that believing in Christ is not a matter of man taking glory for his own choosing, then you are either:

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(a) Misrepresenting what I believe after I have already explained it several times (or)
(b) You do not understand the Arminian belief.​

What you are attacking is Pelagianism, which is not a belief I hold to. Try looking it up on the internet sometime. You remember that thing called the internet I had to correct your false understanding before when you claimed there are no churches named after John Calvin. Is it not possible that you are simply in error again because you refuse to do your own homework on this topic?

But for little me,

I'm the little worm which filters out the soil, which is your crap.

And I have given you clear instruction yesterday, that all the dirt you tried to find in every post I've made to this forum, which you did through searching through my entire post history, to turn it into dirt, as that's what the virus threading worms do, are you one which you are doing, again are you that worm

You only found what you thought was dirt, because thats what you do.

And I have given you clear instruction to your dirt

If any of the statements I made were not accurate to the posts you provided, then feel free to correct me. But since you are not defending your statements, this just looks like you are trying to play the victim card rather than dealing with passages like Jonah chapter 3 and 2 Thessalonians 2:10.

Which was God gives grace to the lost.
Which again is not good enough for you,

Actually, I believe Scripture's version of receiving grace and not the Calvinistic version, which is based on Election.

Romans 5:2
"By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

Notice that Scripture above here says it is by faith that we have ACCESS into God's grace.

The Calvinist claims that Election is God's grace, which then leads to regeneration, which then leads to faith. Hyper Calvinists say that regeneration is full salvation, while regular Calvinists say it is the beginning of salvation. There are a few here who do not fully understand traditional Calvinism and say regeneration is not dealing with salvation at all, but it is not a radically different form of Calvinism. It is still Calvinism because people here say that man has no free will when choosing God.

Because why well you lack conviction in accepting the truth I'm telling you, and your full of condemnation instead. And whilst your like that you will be what you will be.
And you will not see the truth.
Because why well because you lack conviction.
Dod God give you the free will to do this

Do you see me and other free will believers as one of the Non Elect? If so, then arguing with me is pointless. According to the Calvinist belief, a person who does not understand the things of God would be one of the souls selected for damnation and torture by God's good council. If so, trying to convince me of your view would be pointless because I would be damned by God and blinded by the devil and never able to comprehend the mysteries you speak of, even though you never explain actual verses in the Bible that supposedly defend your belief.




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[Bible_Highlighter]

So says the person who claims they are not a Calvinist, yet posts a picture of John Calvin University as if that somehow helps their case. You, sir, are a walking contradiction.




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[Jordon]

Well, if people say dumb or foolish things, I am going to call them out on it. That does not mean I am cursing them by any means. But this is the MO (modus operandi) of some Calvinists. Play the victim card so that way you do not have to deal with explaining verses like 2 Thessalonians 2:10. An attack on a belief such as the teachings of Calvinism in some form does not equate with my cursing you by any means. My pointing out your strange and kooky conspiracy theories involving the internet does not amount to meaning I am cursing you, either. Please provide actual post numbers of my cursing you. If not, then it is simply false slander on your end.



We have already been over this gaslighting tactic with you and another poster in this thread. It is not going to work anymore. As I said before, this is like a Catholic who practices Catholicism 100% of the time but claims they are not a Catholic and then plays the victim card if somebody says they are. Even if you say you are not a Calvinist in name, you defend John Calvin, you attend a Reformed church, and you defend the very heart of Calvinist doctrine. If you prefer not to be called a Calvinist, then simply say you prefer not to be called a Calvinist, even though you are one in practice and you agree with several aspects of their teaching. However, please stop playing the victim card. It is not going to work on me or others here.



Proverbs 27:5
"Open rebuke is better than secret love."

A principle supporting open and visible reproof when needed.

Psalm 94:16
"Who will rise up for me against the evildoers or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity"

Standing up against evil implies confronting and exposing it.

1 Timothy 5:20
"Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear."

This is a direct command to expose open sin publicly in certain situations.



This is just baseless name calling that does not further the conversation about a believer's free will choice in choosing God, which I believe only exists under His drawing, conviction, and enlightenment.

If God does not draw, convict a person of their sin, or enlighten their understanding, then they are going to stay blinded by the devil and will not be able to break the chains needed to make a free will choice concerning God. So you can keep saying the words "your free will" to me all you want, but if you understand that believing in Christ is not a matter of man taking glory for his own choosing, then you are either:

​

(a) Misrepresenting what I believe after I have already explained it several times (or)​

(b) You do not understand the Arminian belief.​

What you are attacking is Pelagianism, which is not a belief I hold to. Try looking it up on the internet sometime. You remember that thing called the internet I had to correct your false understanding before when you claimed there are no churches named after John Calvin. Is it not possible that you are simply in error again because you refuse to do your own homework on this topic?



If any of the statements I made were not accurate to the posts you provided, then feel free to correct me. But since you are not defending your statements, this just looks like you are trying to play the victim card rather than dealing with passages like Jonah chapter 3 and 2 Thessalonians 2:10.



Actually, I believe Scripture's version of receiving grace and not the Calvinistic version, which is based on Election.

Romans 5:2
"By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

Notice that Scripture above here says it is by faith that we have ACCESS into God's grace.

The Calvinist claims that Election is God's grace, which then leads to regeneration, which then leads to faith. Hyper Calvinists say that regeneration is full salvation, while regular Calvinists say it is the beginning of salvation. There are a few here who do not fully understand traditional Calvinism and say regeneration is not dealing with salvation at all, but it is not a radically different form of Calvinism. It is still Calvinism because people here say that man has no free will when choosing God.



Do you see me and other free will believers as one of the Non Elect? If so, then arguing with me is pointless. According to the Calvinist belief, a person who does not understand the things of God would be one of the souls selected for damnation and torture by God's good council. If so, trying to convince me of your view would be pointless because I would be damned by God and blinded by the devil and never able to comprehend the mysteries you speak of, even though you never explain actual verses in the Bible that supposedly defend your belief.




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How is it John Calvin taught being obedient to the father if he only believed you where saved before you realised it. ?