Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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why did God give the commandments to people with free will

Remember the screen cap images of those Calvinist websites I posted? Here is the funny thing about them. The first one says to imitate God at the bottom of its webpage. This is actually frightening if you take it seriously. If you are to imitate God and you are a firefighter, then you could act just like God by choosing to save some and not save others, even when you had the power to save everyone. In that case, if you let others perish in the fire when you could have rescued them, most people would see you as a monster who was unloving and indifferent toward human life.

This is what you fail to grasp about the god of Calvinism, which is not the true God at all but a fairy tale version imagined in the minds of men. God is love. God is good. Scripture clearly says that the Lord is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. Think about that. So when you criticize us for believing we have free will in choosing God, you fail to understand that this cannot even happen without God’s drawing or illumination. Free will exists, but it can only exist under God’s power in convicting the sinner and opening their eyes. They choose, but they could not even reach the point of choosing without God.

This is what many of us Arminians believe and what has long been part of classic Arminianism. What you are attacking is not Arminianism but Pelagianism.

In other words, in this discussion there are generally four groups: Hyper-Calvinists, regular Calvinists, Arminians (who believe free will in choosing God only exists under God’s conviction and drawing), and Pelagians.





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Does God give people grace to to let people speak the truth, and did God also give people grace to let them lie.
God does not condone lying.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


If a person lies and then repents, turns to God, confesses the sin, God is faithful and just to forgive ... I believe that would be God's mercy.

God further cleanses from all unrighteousness ... could this be God's grace?

If a person lies and does not repent the whole of his or her life, I believe this would result in God's judgment.

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Calvinism is inconsistent.

Yes, apparently it is. It is inconsistent with your unsanctified, carnal imagination.

I'm still waiting for you to respond to my questions re Job 1 and Act 4:27-28 to explain to me how God's eternal decrees don't make him morally culpable for sin.
 
Does God give people grace to to let people speak the truth, and did God also give people grace to let them lie.

It is never God’s will for a person to lie. All liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire.

Revelation 21:8 says,

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."​
I hope this helps, and may God bless you.

I hope t

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Right. The truth is that God providentially intervenes according to His omniscient whereby our sin, error and failures are nullified, resolved, and His eternal promises and purposes are realized. God fixes the sin problem for those who ask Him.

Two wills, both of them free, interacting.

How can God's will be "free" when his will is enslaved to his holy, righteous, good nature?

Try to answer intelligently this time apart from any of your lame ZZZZZZ sleeping icons. :rolleyes:
 
It is never God’s will for a person to lie. All liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire.

Revelation 21:8 says,

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."​
I hope this helps, and may God bless you.

I hope t

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So if he doesn't give you grace to lie

Why did he give you grace to tell the truth
 
Right, if a person wants to be unbiased about their belief in Calvinism, all they have to do is ask different Ai's to see how it is inconsistent in light of the rest of Scripture. Have they ever wondered why certain verses like 2 Thessalonians 2:10 are never explained by their fellow Calvinists? These things should give the average Calvinist pause, but we know that many of them simply like the belief they hold to (for whatever reason that might be). Logical problems in their Calvinistic belief, and Bible verses are things that they just have to ignore.....

What's the big mystery to 2Thes 2:10? The answer is right in the immediate context. See v. 12. A great companion verse is Jn 3:19. Sinners who do not fear God or have circumcised hearts to love God will invariably have no heart for Him.
 
God does not condone lying.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If a person lies and then repents, turns to God, confesses the sin, God is faithful and just to forgive ... I believe that would be God's mercy.

God further cleanses from all unrighteousness ... could this be God's grace?

If a person lies and does not repent the whole of his or her life, I believe this would result in God's judgment.

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Why did he give you grace to tell the truth

Could it be when you had free will the truth was not in you

And when he gave you grace to tell the truth did you ever lie

And when you lied what grace did he give you then

And when you told the truth was it by his grace or yours
 
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Isint the gospel declared in the heavens and the earth? Just because they never heard of Jesus dosent mean God never revealed himself to them in ways we do not know about.

And so you're authority for what to believe is rooted in the silence of scripture instead of what is revealed?
 
John 3:16

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

King James Version (KJV)

This indicates man's Free Will: Does it not?!

OR...it indicates a man's will that has been set free by God's grace!
 
Yes, it is very normal. Because if the Calvinist belief were true, it would be able to stand in light of all verses in the Bible.
So, the ball is back in your court. What do you do with 2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV? Do you just ignore it or hope we will forget about it?
What about Jonah chapter 3? Jonah told the Ninevites that in 40 days the city of Nineveh shall be overthrown. However, when the King of Nineveh told his people to cry mightily unto God and forsake their evil ways, they actually repented and turned from their wickedness. When this happened, God turned from the evil He said that He would do unto the them. Read the chapter. There is no way to insert Calvinism into this story. The Ninevites repented which then in turn led God changing what He said He was going to do unto them. It's that simple of a story. Inserting Calvinism into Jonah 3 would be eisegesis and not exegesis.
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On the other hand, it is also written:

Num 23:19a
19 God is not a man, that he should lie,
nor a son of man, that he should change his mind .

NIV

Your soteriology needs a major overhaul. The story of Jonah and Nineveh is actually quite consistent with the Doctrines of Grace with all who have not given themselves over to simplemindedness.
 
OR...it indicates a man's will that has been set free by God's grace!
nice one Rufus

I've waited patiently for a week for this answer, how is they can't answer by there free will

And they won't get the message from the last post I made made here for at least another week.

You know why

Because message with in the message there freewill will not see with there free will, it's there staring them in the face.

And I'm going to keep asking the save question for as long as I need to.
 
Quite something that they even make that charge, considering the "god" they promote commands and requires us to believe but

already unchangeably decreed we'd be born with a corrupt nature which cannot believe and then does not give this ability to everyone

and condemns those who do not.

Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Yes, that is by God's design. Unfortunately you hate His design. People are born into condemnation. They do not acquire it later.
 
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So if he doesn't give you grace to lie

Why did he give you grace to tell the truth
With respect, it appears that you aren’t giving this even a moment of actual thought. If a dad gives his son money to buy milk, but the kid buys candy, has the dad given him money for candy? Obviously, no.
 
With respect, it appears that you aren’t giving this even a moment of actual thought. If a dad gives his son money to buy milk, but the kid buys candy, has the dad given him money for candy? Obviously, no.
With respect a kid has grace to make mistakes,

And with respect you don't know my thoughts at present
 
I would not want you to examine my head, thank you. That makes two of us.

That would work out well for both of you: Jordan would not go into deep shock at finding nothing inside and you would be spared great embarrassment.
 
That would work out well for both of you: Jordan would not go into deep shock at finding nothing inside and you would be spared great embarrassment.
he won't be bothered by this post, cuz where there is no sense there is no feeling
 
Calvinists are naturally arrogant. And who wouldn’t be when you were unconditionally predestined by God to be the elect! 😆

Project much? Those of the Reformed Faith tend to be a supernaturally humbled people. It's you FWers who are naturally arrogant since logically speaking the efficacy of your own "freewill" ultimately saved you. FWers minimize the pernicious effects of sin in order to elevate themselves and minimize God's role in salvation.
 
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