You're just a disobedient soul trying to justify himself by ignoring the many verses that openly warn us to persevere in faith and by cherry picking verses that support the Order of Calvin's work-phobic doctrine. Gnostic to the core
Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View
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You're just a disobedient soul trying to justify himself by ignoring the many verses that openly warn us to persevere in faith and by cherry picking verses that support the Order of Calvin's work-phobic doctrine. Gnostic to the core
You are losing composure now — resorting to insults instead of exegesis. When someone abandons Scripture and turns emotional, it usually means their position can’t stand under biblical scrutiny.
You are clearly out of arguments and have shifted fully to name-calling. That “Order of Calvin” jab and “Gnostic” label are just distractions — when people can’t refute Scripture, they attack the messenger instead of the message.
True brothers and sisters in Christ — I will earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints (Jude 1:3 KJV). Standing for truth will always invite hostility from those who twist Scripture to fit their own systems, but light always exposes error. Stay rooted in the Word — not in emotion, not in labels — for only the Word cuts through confusion and stands forever.
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper (Isaiah 54:17 KJV). When we stand on God’s Word, every false accusation and insult loses its power. Keep your shield of faith raised — the fiery darts of the enemy cannot pierce what is covered by His truth and grace.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper (Isaiah 54:17 KJV). When we stand on God’s Word, every false accusation and insult loses its power. Keep your shield of faith raised — the fiery darts of the enemy cannot pierce what is covered by His truth and grace.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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Actually those two terms encapsulate well what you believe. If you don't like the term gnostic, then disavow these beliefs that the Valentinian gnostics held:
- The belief that they are the enlightened elect and spiritually perfect, who because of their spiritual nature can never be lost no matter what behavior they practice. Against Heresies Book 1 Chapter 6 Paragraph 2
- The belief that grace can never be taken away from them because grace is their eternal possession joined to them in a mysterious union from above. Against Heresies Book 1 Chapter 6 Paragraph 4
- The belief that it is impossible for physical man to do anything good. ibid
- The belief that Christians who believe it is necessary to do good works are ignorant persons with a carnal nature and imperfect knowledge. ibid
- The belief that it is not righteous conduct that leads into eternal life (Pleroma), but it is the seed of grace within them that is brought to perfection through the perfect knowledge of their spiritual nature. ibid
@ChristRoseFromTheDead is trying to reframe my biblical position on grace into a historical heresy comparison to make it sound extreme. By linking my view to Valentinian Gnosticism,
he’s using a guilt-by-association tactic — not Scripture — to attempt to discredit me.The irony is that true Gnostics denied Christ’s finished work in the flesh, while I have been affirming it.
His citations from Against Heresies don’t apply because my stance isn’t about secret knowledge or moral license; it’s about grace through faith alone, leading to obedience born of the Spirit — exactly what Paul taught in Romans and Galatians.
He’s moving away from exegesis into rhetoric because he can’t refute the text itself.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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@ChristRoseFromTheDead is trying to reframe my biblical position on grace into a historical heresy comparison to make it sound extreme. By linking my view to Valentinian Gnosticism,
The irony is that true Gnostics denied Christ’s finished work in the flesh, while I have been affirming it.
His citations from Against Heresies don’t apply because my stance isn’t about secret knowledge or moral license; it’s about grace through faith alone, leading to obedience born of the Spirit — exactly what Paul taught in Romans and Galatians.
He’s moving away from exegesis into rhetoric because he can’t refute the text itself.
If you refuse to disavow what they believed, then you hold gnostic beliefs. btw, your rhetorical tactics are ridiculously funny.
That’s a false dilemma and a poor argument. Rejecting your misrepresentation isn’t the same as agreeing with Gnosticism. My beliefs are grounded in Scripture, not second-century heresies or your straw-man definitions.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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OK let's take one of those gnostic beliefs and examine it alongside what you believe.
Do you believe that Christian behavior is irrelevant to salvation?
That accusation is just a distraction tactic — meant to shift the discussion from Scripture to labels.
When someone can’t refute your biblical points, they’ll often attach a historical or theological tag (like “Gnostic,” “Calvinist,” or “heretic”) to make you defend something you never claimed. It’s a rhetorical trap — the moment you start defending the label, the real issue (faith, grace, justification, etc.) gets buried.
When someone can’t refute your biblical points, they’ll often attach a historical or theological tag (like “Gnostic,” “Calvinist,” or “heretic”) to make you defend something you never claimed. It’s a rhetorical trap — the moment you start defending the label, the real issue (faith, grace, justification, etc.) gets buried.
Noah had already found grace in the eyes of the Lord and was a just man who walked with God (Genesis 6:8,9) and a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:5) before he built the ark. Noah's obedience was a demonstration of his faith but not the origin of it. Building the ark saved Noah and his family physically from drowning. (Hebrews 11:7)
If you read the Genesis account closely, the sequence matters. Genesis 6:8–9 (KJV) says,
“But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
That declaration of favor and righteousness appears before God ever gives the ark instructions in verse 14. The text shows clearly that grace and faith came first; the obedience that followed simply flowed from what was already true of him.
Hebrews 11:7 (KJV) explains this perfectly:
“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
The verse doesn’t say Noah was saved by building, but that his faith moved him to build. Faith was the cause; obedience was the result.
Peter echoes the same pattern when he calls Noah “a preacher of righteousness.” 2 Peter 2:5 (KJV) says,
“And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.”
Noah didn’t become righteous by building; his obedience reflected the faith and grace he had already received.
This same order appears in Abraham’s life. Genesis 15:6 (KJV) says,
“And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”
His later obedience in circumcision and in offering Isaac didn’t make him righteous; it revealed the righteousness already imputed to him by faith. Paul builds this point in Romans 4:4–5 (KJV):
“Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
Noah’s obedience, then, is the evidence of faith, not the means of salvation. It shows what living faith does—it acts on God’s Word. His physical deliverance through the ark was a type pointing to spiritual truth: those who have already found grace obey out of trust, not to obtain it.
If obedience were the source of salvation, grace would cease to be grace. As Ephesians 2:8–10 (KJV) reminds us,
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
The flood narrative perfectly illustrates this divine order: God initiates grace, the believer responds in faith, and obedience naturally follows as fruit. Noah built because he believed; he didn’t believe because he built.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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My question was just asking you to clarify what you believe. Can't answer? S'matter you skeered?
I agree with everything you said, but him building the ark also saved his soul because if he and his family had died along with everyone else he would have died in his sins without a savior; because the savior came through his son..
That’s an interesting thought, but Scripture never connects Noah’s building of the ark to his spiritual salvation. The ark preserved his body; grace had already saved his soul. Noah was declared righteous before the flood ever began (Genesis 6:8-9 KJV). God didn’t need Noah’s obedience to preserve the Messianic line—He chose Noah because grace had already set him apart. The Savior’s coming was secured by God’s promise, not man’s survival plan (Genesis 3:15 KJV).
The ark points to Christ as the true refuge, not the means by which Noah earned salvation.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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OK so DarknessBearer316 can't answer this simple question - "Do you believe that Christian behavior is irrelevant to salvation?"
Why? Because he knows it will expose him as holding a gnostic belief.
I can't expect someone saturated in cultic beliefs to be able to logically reason that if Noah and his family died, all humans would be gone and there would be no salvation for Adam and his progeny because there would be no savior..
That accusation is just a distraction tactic — meant to shift the discussion from Scripture to labels.
When someone can’t refute your biblical points, they’ll often attach a historical or theological tag (like “Gnostic,” “Calvinist,” or “heretic”) to make you defend something you never claimed. It’s a rhetorical trap — the moment you start defending the label, the real issue (faith, grace, justification, etc.) gets buried.
You are trying to sidestep theology by turning the discussion into a personal jab about “logic” and “cultic beliefs.” That response avoids Scripture entirely—it’s a diversion.
That’s just rhetoric, not Scripture. God’s redemptive plan was never dependent on Noah’s survival—it was secured by His promise in Genesis 3:15 (KJV) long before the flood. The line of the Messiah rested on God’s sovereignty, not man’s endurance.
@ChristRoseFromTheDead is reading Scripture through a narrow, self-made lens instead of letting Scripture interpret Scripture. When someone builds their theology on isolated logic rather than the full counsel of God’s Word, they end up forcing texts to fit their system instead of allowing the text to shape their understanding.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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