This is true, but being baptized isn't a work; it's obedience to God's voice. We simply present ourselves at the doorway to the tabernacle, so to speak, and God and others do the rest.
Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View
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This is true, but being baptized isn't a work; it's obedience to God's voice. We simply present ourselves at the doorway to the tabernacle, so to speak, and God and others do the rest.
Faith that saves always acts—but it’s the faith that saves, not the action. The action just proves the faith was real.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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Justification is salvation’s foundation — you can’t separate being declared righteous from being saved. Romans 5:1 says it plainly: “Being justified by faith, we have peace with God.”
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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Salvation isn’t a lifelong process of earning; it’s a completed work in Christ that’s lived out daily. Sanctification grows, but justification is finished (Hebrews 10:14 KJV).
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
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@ChristRoseFromTheDead subtly trying to blur the line between justification and sanctification. By saying “salvation is a process that isn’t complete until we’re dead,” he’s mixing the two as if salvation depends on lifelong performance. That’s not what Scripture teaches. Justification is a finished work in Christ—“by one offering He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified” (Hebrews 10:14 KJV). Sanctification is how that salvation is lived out, not earned. The “this is true, but…” wording is just a way to appear in partial agreement while redirecting the focus back to a works-based process.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture versus!
More work-phobic salvationist of the Order of Calvin twisting what I've said to suit their needs. Our salvation depends on lifelong perseverance, not performance.
You are just shifting terms to sound more theological while keeping the same works-based idea. “Lifelong perseverance” is just another way of saying “lifelong performance.” Scripture says we’re kept by God’s power, not our own (1 Peter 1:5 KJV).
Now you are just rewording the same claim — turning sanctification into salvation. “Doing the works of the Spirit” is the result of being saved, not the process of being saved (Galatians 3:3 KJV).
Justification is salvation's foundation, and you can't separate being saved from being declared righteous. But justification alone isn't salvation
Now you are contradicting yourself — you admit justification is inseparable from salvation, but then try to separate them. Romans 5:1 KJV doesn’t leave room for that split: “Being justified by faith, we have peace with God.”
“For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace” (1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV). Misusing Scripture always leads to tangled theology and spiritual blindness. Sadly, that is what we are witnessing unfold with @ChristRoseFromTheDead
Without sanctification no man will see the lord. Sanctification is a lifelong process.
Follow peace with all [men] and sanctification, without which no man shall see the Lord: Hebrews 12:14
Here, you are just rephrasing your point to sound like agreement while subtly shifting it. “Working faith” is your way of reintroducing works into the equation—faith that saves works, but the work isn’t what saves.
You are twisting Hebrews 12:14 KJV to make sanctification a condition for salvation instead of its evidence. That verse is about living consistently with the holiness we already have in Christ (1 Cor 1:30 KJV), not earning our way to see the Lord. You can't even handle the Word of God rightly!
You have serious spiritual blindness; you've manipulated the Word of God to such an extent that you are totally confused.
No it's definitely not. Numerous verses admonish us to persevere in faith. Your statement is just the way work-phobic salvationists view perseverance, ie, performance in order to earn something. Truly sick in the head.
It is obvious you are now getting defensive because I exposed the core flaw in your argument. When cornered, you shift from theology to insults. “Perseverance” in Scripture means God preserving the believer, not man earning salvation through endurance — “He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it” (Philippians 1:6 KJV).
When Scripture doesn’t fit your framework, you bend it instead of letting it speak plainly. That’s why your arguments keep circling back to man’s effort instead of Christ’s finished work. “They being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.” — Romans 10:3 KJV
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture versus!
Salvation is inseparable from salvation because it is built upon the foundation of justification. But that foundation by itself doesn't save because we aren't saved by his death alone, which is what justifies us.
We are saved in his life, and that requires following him and doing works of the spirit.
You are doubling down by adding layers to justify your confusion — now claiming justification isn’t enough because salvation supposedly requires ongoing “works of the Spirit.” That’s just repackaged works-righteousness. Romans 5:10 KJV explains it clearly: we are saved by His life, not by ours. The believer’s works flow from life already received — they’re the fruit, not the root.
As usual, 90% of what you post is opinion without Scripture to back it up — and the few verses you do quote are twisted out of context.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture versus!
This is just ludicgous and twisting what I said. God preserves and we persevere in the faith that saves. And there you go again framing perseverance as trying to earn something. Truly sick in the head to even think of such things