Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Paul was not predestined for salvation in his mother’s womb. That’s not what Galatians is teaching. He was called by God’s grace out of his mother’s womb, but can a baby answer a call when they come out of the womb? No. A baby cannot answer a call, so it cannot mean what Calvinists force it to mean.
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Blue155
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So, what if they use that freedom they have once they are saved to then reject Calvinism? Let me guess, they were never saved and never had freedom, is that it?
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Blue155
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Because you cannot stomach the theology and doctrine of Calvinism when taken logically and consistently. I don’t blame you. I would have stopped reading as well.
your posts just say look at me I'm a born again numbskull with the intelligence of a gold fish.
And there will be many more born again numbskull posts to follow from you, a long with our new Aussie friend becoming your next born again numbskull. Who also has just rejected the clear word of God.
no it wouldn't be to you seeing as you reject every thing else that is said in favour of your free will.
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Blue155
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I reject everything else? Hmm…how consistent do you want to take that accusation? Was I predestined to do so?
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OLDBUTNEW
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1 John 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
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Blue155
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@OLDBUTNEW,
You can recognize bogus doctrine when you begin defining the doctrine or claim by comparing it with the entire biblical instruction on a particular subject (Ps. 119:160). You compare it, in other words, to the Bible. Furthermore, the doctrine is untrue if it goes against the nature of God or the entirety of what the Bible teaches. As a result, none of the passages used to further the doctrine can be biblical that they assert. Verses can be given, but the validity of one's interpretation depends on if it conforms to God's truth.
You can recognize bogus doctrine when you begin defining the doctrine or claim by comparing it with the entire biblical instruction on a particular subject (Ps. 119:160). You compare it, in other words, to the Bible. Furthermore, the doctrine is untrue if it goes against the nature of God or the entirety of what the Bible teaches. As a result, none of the passages used to further the doctrine can be biblical that they assert. Verses can be given, but the validity of one's interpretation depends on if it conforms to God's truth.
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OLDBUTNEW
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Blue155
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OLDBUTNEW
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Blue155
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This is what the faithful followers of Calvinism who have been influenced by John Calvin believe. It is sick and twisted.
“All events whatsoever are governed by the secret counsel of God.” John Calvin (1509-1564) Declares God's Absolute Control of Everything.
These quotes by the Westminster Confession of Faith were heavily influenced by Calvin.
"God from all eternity did by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: … By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life, and others foreordained to everlasting death. These angels and men, thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed: and their number is so certain and definite that it cannot be either increased or diminished. Those of mankind that are predestinated unto life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen in Christ, unto everlasting glory, out of his free grace and love alone, without any foresight of faith or good works, or perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature, as conditions, or causes moving him thereunto … The rest of mankind God was pleased … to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin …" - Chap. III, p 1-7.
"All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, he is pleased, in his appointed and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ … This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone, not from any thing at all foreseen in man, who is altogether passive therein … Others, not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, … yet they never truly come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved …" - Chap. X, p. 1-4.
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@Blue155 : Yes, I've just read this now, Bro; What a load of nonsense, eh! I din't realise that John Calvin was this bad!