Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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OLDBUTNEW said:
@Blue155 : Yes, I've just read this now, Bro; What a load of nonsense, eh! I din't realise that John Calvin was this bad!
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His doctrine of TULIP is horrendous, and many of those who were and are influenced by him are those who adhere to or wrote the Westminster confession of faith.
 
Blue155 said:
This is what the faithful followers of Calvinism who have been influenced by John Calvin believe. It is sick and twisted.

“All events whatsoever are governed by the secret counsel of God.” John Calvin (1509-1564) Declares God's Absolute Control of Everything.

These quotes by the Westminster Confession of Faith were heavily influenced by Calvin.
"God from all eternity did by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: … By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life, and others foreordained to everlasting death. These angels and men, thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed: and their number is so certain and definite that it cannot be either increased or diminished. Those of mankind that are predestinated unto life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen in Christ, unto everlasting glory, out of his free grace and love alone, without any foresight of faith or good works, or perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature, as conditions, or causes moving him thereunto … The rest of mankind God was pleased … to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin …" - Chap. III, p 1-7.
"All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, he is pleased, in his appointed and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ … This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone, not from any thing at all foreseen in man, who is altogether passive therein … Others, not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, … yet they never truly come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved …" - Chap. X, p. 1-4.
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Blue155 said:
His doctrine of TULIP is horrendous, and many of those who were and are influenced by him are those who adhere to or wrote the Westminster confession of faith.
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OLDBUTNEW said:
That's terrible! I din't know that!
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more numbskull posts
 
Blue155 said:
You are free to will yourself to say that 😉
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All your posts are copy and pastes, which means your a numbskull for believing anything

So is.your new Aussie friend he believes it to.

And you and all the other. Numbskulls here will all follow each other condemning Christians all day long.
 
If salvation is truly passive, and man has no part in their salvation in any way whatsoever (otherwise it would no longer be passive), then that would mean God is solely the one responding for them. Taken this logically and consistently, it means He believes for them, repents for them, confesses Jesus' as Lord for them, and is baptized for the remission of sins for them. And that is straight up heresy and blasphemous.

And I've seen where some Calvinists (again, they can't stomach their beliefs), so instead of saying it's 100% God, they would say it's 99% God and 1% man. What 1% is that? Is it believing? Is it repenting? Is it being baptized? Is it living godly? Which one is it? Because as soon as they say that man has a part, they no longer can say salvation is truly passive.
 
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Jordon said:
more numbskull posts
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

1 Peter 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
 
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Jordon said:
condemning Christians all day long.
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Calvinists are not Christians. They are Calvinists. Any Christian who turned into a Calvinist has erred from the truth and needs to repent (Jms. 5:19-20; Acts 8:22). The brethren are to restore/convert the erring/wanderer (Jms 5; cf. Gal. 6:1).
 
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Blue155 said:
Calvinists are not Christians. They are Calvinists. Any Christian who turned into a Calvinist has erred from the truth and needs to repent (Jms. 5:19-20; Acts 8:22). The brethren are to restore/convert the erring/wanderer (Jms 5; cf. Gal. 6:1).
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That's your condemning nature speaking once again.

See if you look at your post here your saying Calvinists are bad people..

And like everybody else here who uses your mentality are also saying the exact same thing.

So everyday here me and other people sharing the word of God are being called bad people and having our faith rejected as something you and others see as evil

And the thing is where not Calvinists and there are no calvinists posting in this thread.

So every single day, and on more than over thousand time we have been called evil for sharing the word of God.

And the real truth is


There is no such thing as a Calvinist.


Are you able to comprehend the real truth of what you and so many people are doing here.

Your actually doing one of the worst sins imaginable to Christ

Your attacking his children
 
Jordon said:
That's your condemning nature speaking once again.

See if you look at your post here your saying Calvinists are bad people..

And like everybody else here who uses your mentality are also saying the exact same thing.

So everyday here me and other people sharing the word of God are being called bad people and having our faith rejected as something you and others see as evil

And the thing is where not Calvinists and there are no calvinists posting in this thread.

So every single day, and on more than over thousand time we have been called evil for sharing the word of God.

And the real truth is


There is no such thing as a Calvinist.


Are you able to comprehend the real truth of what you and so many people are doing here.

Your actually doing one of the worst sins imaginable to Christ

Your attacking his children
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@Jordon

“That's your condemning nature speaking once again.”

I don’t condemn people. They condemn themselves.

“See if you look at your post here your saying Calvinists are bad people..”

Just because I said Calvinists are not Christians doesn’t mean I said they are bad people. Cornelius was “a devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway” (Acts 10:2), but he was not a Christian until he obeyed the words that Peter was sent to tell him of how to be saved (Acts 10:5-6, 10:34-48; 11:14).

“And like everybody else here who uses your mentality are also saying the exact same thing.”

Saying that Calvinism is false? Well, what’s the logical conclusion if it’s false? The people who follow it aren’t Christians, or any one who has left the faith to follow Calvinism needs to repent. Therefore, both need to repent (Acts 17:30; Lk. 13:3).

“So everyday here me and other people sharing the word of God are being called bad people and having our faith rejected as something you and others see as evil”

Likewise.

“And the thing is where not Calvinists and there are no calvinists posting in this thread.”

Yes, there are. When one adheres to TULIP, they are a Calvinist.

“So every single day, and on more than over thousand time we have been called evil for sharing the word of God.”

And the people who believe in free will can say the same thing.

“And the real truth is. There is no such thing as a Calvinist.”

When it comes to the Bible there’s not. When you follow the seed principle..the word of God (Lk. 8), the Spirit’s sword makes a Christian and only a Christian only (Eph. 6:17; Acts 17:11).

“Are you able to comprehend the real truth of what you and so many people are doing here. Your actually doing one of the worst sins imaginable to Christ Your attacking his children”

Yes, I’m able to comprehend the real truth of what me and so many people are doing here. Refuting a false gospel. Please show me from the Bible where any of His children adhered to TULIP or Reformed Theology.[/QUOTE]
 
Blue155 said:
@cv5 @Kroogz I have been thinking…it is written in the book of Zechariah and Hebrews that God forms man’s spirit and is the Father of spirits. It is written in the book of Acts that we are the offspring of God. It is written in the Psalms that the LORD he is God, he hath made us. Did God make man without free will or to be totally depraved? If He did, then what part of man? If we have no free will, then does God? And what aspect of man came from God that does not have free will or is totally depraved? If we are made in the image of God, and God has free will, then we have free will. If God has free will, and we do not, then we are not made in His image. Also, did God form a spirit to be in man that is robbed or incapable of making a choice to choose Him? It is written in Genesis that God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Did Adam have free will? If not, then did God breathe into man’s nostrils and soul not to have free will and be totally depraved? And why? Was this God’s intention from before the creation itself?
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Here you go my friend. Some of the finest lectures available anywhere that proclaim the FREE WILL that God graciously bequeaths to all of His creatures....

 
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Blue155 said:
@cv5 @Kroogz I have been thinking…it is written in the book of Zechariah and Hebrews that God forms man’s spirit and is the Father of spirits. It is written in the book of Acts that we are the offspring of God. It is written in the Psalms that the LORD he is God, he hath made us. Did God make man without free will or to be totally depraved? If He did, then what part of man? If we have no free will, then does God? And what aspect of man came from God that does not have free will or is totally depraved? If we are made in the image of God, and God has free will, then we have free will. If God has free will, and we do not, then we are not made in His image. Also, did God form a spirit to be in man that is robbed or incapable of making a choice to choose Him? It is written in Genesis that God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Did Adam have free will? If not, then did God breathe into man’s nostrils and soul not to have free will and be totally depraved? And why? Was this God’s intention from before the creation itself?
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More of the same.....

 
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cv5 said:
Free will = true life, the gift of God
The lie of Satan, the aethist and the Calvinist is that.....we have neither.
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Here you go @Blue155 .....also some fine eschatology bonus material.
Compare Chronister, who actually knows what he is talking about, to the various frauds, hacks and snake-oil salesmen on this thread.

Good insights here. Listen from about 45 mins onward.
Really the Rapture is a conclusive open and shut case.
There is no wiggle room. I just hope people will come to understand this.
Also.....the The 5 Fold Lies of Satan from about 50 mins onward.
Amazing truths.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/9101132540/
 
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Genez said:
Acts 3:19-21

Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

That is not speaking of an eternal new order like you mentioned.

That speaks of the Millennium, when the lion will lie down with the lamb, and man will war no more.
It will be the same planet as the one we are on now, having been restored.

As far as the "eternal" new world?
The eternal new order will also be called a new heaven and a new earth.
But it will be not a restoration.
For there will be an utter destruction of this planet to be replaced by an entirely new creation that will be everlasting.

The new heaven and new earth to follow the end of the Tribulation will last 1000 years only.
It will not be eternal.

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Rev 21:1 only knows of one new heavens and new earth, not two.
 
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Genez said:
When I was a boy I had neighbors. Two brothers.
One day they told me that they had a relative who thought it was raining outside all the time.
That person needed to be institutionalized.

So why should I wish to argue with you?
Feel free to believe what you choose to believe even though it is not true...
I learned that certain people are not to be argued with.
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When the men in white come for you, let me know. I'll come visit.
 
Blue155 said:
What part of the body is born is born “totally depraved”? The soul, spirit, the body or all? And what part of God’s image are we made in that man has, and what part of man is born in sin?
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ALL is the answer (cf. Isa 1:5-6; 1Cor 5:6; Gal 5:9). The entire man is infected with sin. And God's image in man means that like God, man is a personal, rational, passionate, moral being.
 
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