Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View

[LightBearer316]

but you had no problem answering me all other times. Thanks for answering my question without answering it. You have confirmed the hunches of me, @ChristRoseFromTheDead, and @studier correct. If you did the same thing that you answered all other previous times, you’d have to admit that you had been using AI this entire time. Thanks for proving our point.

I answer posts... Not "troll" posts

 

[LightBearer316]

Coming from a person who don't even know we need to get rid of ours sins to be save or know how we get rid of them.

Then you tell us what HIS word is suppose to mean which is not what it says.

Do you really think people will pay any attention to you?

You can keep the personal jabs — I’ll stay with Scripture.
The gospel isn’t about “getting rid of our sins” through effort or ritual. It’s about being forgiven and cleansed through faith in Christ’s finished work.

“Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.” — Revelation 1:5 KJV
“By grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.” — Ephesians 2:8–9 KJV​

So no, salvation isn’t earned or maintained by us — it’s received by faith, evidenced by repentance and new life through the Spirit.
I’ll keep standing on what’s written, not on taunts or tradition.

Grace and Peace

 

[Blue155]

I answer posts... Not "troll" posts

No. You just don’t want to answer posts that will cause you to admit the truth of what you had been doing all along. Using AI to simply win arguments instead of using it responsibly and to actually understand. Are you ready to come clean now?

 

[Ouch]

That post confuses the indwelling presence of Christ with the Person of the Holy Spirit—a common Oneness error that collapses the distinct roles within the Godhead.

First the context of 2 Corinthians 3:17

“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” (KJV)​

Paul isn’t saying Jesus is the Holy Spirit in personhood, but that the Lord who brings liberty is operating through the Holy Spirit. The phrase “the Lord is the Spirit” points to functional unity, not personal identity.
Paul had just contrasted the old covenant (written on stone) with the new covenant (of the Spirit). In other words, the same Lord who gave the law now gives life through His Spirit.

Second distinction between Jesus and the Spirit!

Scripture repeatedly distinguishes the two Persons:

• John 14:16–17 — Jesus says, “I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter…even the Spirit of truth.”
  >>> “Another Comforter” (allon paraklēton) literally means “another of the same kind,” not “Myself in another form.”
• John 16:7 — “If I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you.”
  >>> The Spirit’s coming depends on Jesus’ going — proof they are not the same Person.
• Romans 8:34 — “Christ…is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
  >>> Meanwhile, the Spirit intercedes within us (Romans 8:26 KJV). Two intercessors, not one.

Christ’s Indwelling Explained
When Scripture says “Christ in you” (Col. 1:27 KJV), it refers to spiritual union through the Spirit’s presence—not that Jesus and the Spirit are one and the same. The Spirit mediates Christ’s presence in believers (Ephesians 3:16–17 KJV).

Basically...
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV isn’t teaching that Jesus is the Holy Spirit as the same Person. Paul’s point is that the Lord’s work of transformation happens through the Spirit. The same Lord who gave the Law now brings liberty through His Spirit.
Jesus and the Spirit are united in purpose and essence, but distinct in person. Christ intercedes in heaven (Rom. 8:34 KJV), the Spirit intercedes in us (Rom. 8:26 KJV). That’s perfect harmony, not identity.
Reducing them to one Person confuses the relationship Scripture consistently maintains between Father, Son, and Spirit.

Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”

Strange you start a thred all of the problems with the catholic church then you defent the trinity which they started.

Example of Christ in you.

Acts 2:4
King James Version
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Is HE in you?

I understand you have problem with denominations as you should.

You also have a problem with people JUST SHARING HIS WORD THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.

 

[Ouch]

You can keep the personal jabs — I’ll stay with Scripture.
The gospel isn’t about “getting rid of our sins” through effort or ritual. It’s about being forgiven and cleansed through faith in Christ’s finished work.

“Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.” — Revelation 1:5 KJV​

“By grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.” — Ephesians 2:8–9 KJV​

So no, salvation isn’t earned or maintained by us — it’s received by faith, evidenced by repentance and new life through the Spirit.
I’ll keep standing on what’s written, not on taunts or tradition.

Grace and Peace

Personal jabs?

You don't like me being honest?

When you alter HIS word, you are what you are.

So be honest with me, tell me HOW DO I GET RID OF MY SINS.

Please no story time, use HIS word.

 

[Blue155]

You can keep the personal jabs — I’ll stay with Scripture.
The gospel isn’t about “getting rid of our sins” through effort or ritual. It’s about being forgiven and cleansed through faith in Christ’s finished work.

“Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.” — Revelation 1:5 KJV​

“By grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.” — Ephesians 2:8–9 KJV​

So no, salvation isn’t earned or maintained by us — it’s received by faith, evidenced by repentance and new life through the Spirit.
I’ll keep standing on what’s written, not on taunts or tradition.

Grace and Peace

Still using AI? How about answering the question? Have you been using AI this entire time to get responses?

 

[LightBearer316]

 

[Blue155]

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Did you also get that from AI? What say you?

 

[Gideon300]

Suppose someone was mute in the first century, but had the power to cast out demons but couldn’t speak. Would they then not be able to cast out a demon or baptize someone due to not being able to say the words “Jesus”?

Every believer has the authority and power to cast out demons. It's for now, not only the first century. I don't know how a mute believer would cast out a demon. I've never met a mute believer.

 

[LightBearer316]

Every believer has the authority and power to cast out demons. It's for now, not only the first century. I don't know how a mute believer would cast out a demon. I've never met a mute believer.

The authority to cast out demons isn’t dependent on physical speech but on faith in Christ’s name. Scripture shows that the power rests in Jesus Himself, not in our vocal ability.

In Acts 19:13–16 KJV, for example, the power didn’t come from saying the word “Jesus” as a formula — it came from belonging to Jesus. A mute believer could still exercise faith and authority through other means (such as prayer, thought, or written declaration), because Christ’s power isn’t limited by human ability.

Romans 8:26 KJV reminds us that even when we can’t speak as we ought, “the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us.” The same Spirit that empowers us to believe can also empower any act of faith, spoken or not.

Grace and Peace

 

[Gideon300]

The authority to cast out demons isn’t dependent on physical speech but on faith in Christ’s name. Scripture shows that the power rests in Jesus Himself, not in our vocal ability.

In Acts 19:13–16 KJV, for example, the power didn’t come from saying the word “Jesus” as a formula — it came from belonging to Jesus. A mute believer could still exercise faith and authority through other means (such as prayer, thought, or written declaration), because Christ’s power isn’t limited by human ability.

Romans 8:26 KJV reminds us that even when we can’t speak as we ought, “the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us.” The same Spirit that empowers us to believe can also empower any act of faith, spoken or not.

Grace and Peace

I know what you are saying, but I am not sure I can agree. I've had dealings with demons, including a number of attacks on myself. I've always exercised my authority in the name of Jesus, out loud. Jesus did the same. It would be instructive to hear from someone who is mute to find out how they deal with the situation.

I agree that the name of Jesus is not like an incantation or a formula. That leads to trouble, "Jesus that Paul preaches" did not end well. If I get time, I'll look into this further. It's an interesting question.

 

[LightBearer316]

Every believer has the authority and power to cast out demons. It's for now, not only the first century. I don't know how a mute believer would cast out a demon. I've never met a mute believer.

Fascinating topic... “The power is in the faith, not in the water” accurately summarizes the biblical distinction between spiritual reality (faith) and symbolic act (water baptism).

• Faith, not ritual or physical means, is what connects a believer to the power of Christ.
• Scripture repeatedly shows that the authority to heal, cast out demons, or be saved comes through faith in Jesus’ name — not through any outward element like water, oil, or spoken formulas.

Supporting verses:

• “Thy faith hath made thee whole.” — Luke 8:48 KJV
• “This is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.” — 1 John 5:4 KJV
• “Through faith in his name hath made this man strong.” — Acts 3:16 KJV

Grace and Peace

 

[Gideon300]

but you had no problem answering me all other times. Thanks for answering my question without answering it. You have confirmed the hunches of me, @ChristRoseFromTheDead, and @studier correct. If you did the same thing that you answered all other previous times, you’d have to admit that you had been using AI this entire time. Thanks for proving our point.

"Assume" makes an ass of (yo)u..... and anyone else who makes assumptions. Do you not know that Jesus refused to answer loaded questions that were intended to entrap Him? 1st century trolls were still trolls, even if the name was not in use.

 

[LightBearer316]

I know what you are saying, but I am not sure I can agree. I've had dealings with demons, including a number of attacks on myself. I've always exercised my authority in the name of Jesus, out loud. Jesus did the same. It would be instructive to hear from someone who is mute to find out how they deal with the situation.

I agree that the name of Jesus is not like an incantation or a formula. That leads to trouble, "Jesus that Paul preaches" did not end well. If I get time, I'll look into this further. It's an interesting question.

First I'd like to thank you for not trolling in the forum....

I completely understand where you’re coming from, brother. Speaking the name of Jesus aloud is the biblical norm — absolutely. My point was just that the authority itself isn’t limited by vocal ability, since the power flows from the relationship, not the mechanics.

If a believer couldn’t speak, the same Spirit that empowers us to say “Jesus” could just as easily act through faith expressed in another way — prayer of the heart, written command, or even thought. The Lord knows who are His (2 Timothy 2:19 KJV), and demons recognize that authority too (Acts 19:15 KJV).

Appreciate your balanced approach to the topic — it’s a genuinely thought-provoking question. I really mean it when I said it was fascinating and thanks for bringing it up.

Grace and peace.

 

[LightBearer316]

I’m sorry, I keep coming back to this one — but it just hit me…
Studier’s like a verbal Transformer King...
Just look at what he’s doing with those words — shifting forms faster than Optimus Prime mid-sentence!

Grace and Peace

 

[Gideon300]

First I'd like to thank you for not trolling in the forum....

I completely understand where you’re coming from, brother. Speaking the name of Jesus aloud is the biblical norm — absolutely. My point was just that the authority itself isn’t limited by vocal ability, since the power flows from the relationship, not the mechanics.

If a believer couldn’t speak, the same Spirit that empowers us to say “Jesus” could just as easily act through faith expressed in another way — prayer of the heart, written command, or even thought. The Lord knows who are His (2 Timothy 2:19 KJV), and demons recognize that authority too (Acts 19:15 KJV).

Appreciate your balanced approach to the topic — it’s a genuinely thought-provoking question. I really mean it when I said it was fascinating and thanks for bringing it up.

Grace and peace.

You make a good point about written command. There is power in the written word when it is anointed as the epistles reveal. More food for thought!

 

[TruthDefender]

“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭26‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The Trinity was in the beginning…..

 

[LightBearer316]

You make a good point about written command. There is power in the written word when it is anointed as the epistles reveal. More food for thought!

“The Bible is no mere book, but a living creature that conquers all whom oppose it.”
— Napoleon Bonaparte

 

[Gideon300]

“The Bible is no mere book, but a living creature that conquers all whom oppose it.”
— Napoleon Bonaparte

Wow, I did not know that quote. Did he say that before or after Waterloo?

 

[LightBearer316]

Wow, I did not know that quote. Did he say that before or after Waterloo?

I think the statement is believed to come from Napoleon’s later years, most likely after his defeat at Waterloo (1815) when he was exiled on Saint Helena (1815–1821). During his exile, several accounts describe Napoleon reflecting on faith, morality, and the power of Christ and Scripture.

I’ve always had a deep interest in Napoleon; history has fascinated me for as long as I can remember. Yet I have to admit, that’s one of my favorite quotes of all time.

Grace and Peace