Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Are you saying the saints wont be able to sin in the last stage of this process aka eternally with God?

That's exactly what I'm saying! Here in this world, God freed us from the controlling power of sin, whereas in the next eternal age, we will not only possess a new nature (due to our new bodies) that will perfectly free us from sin but sin itself will no longer be a reality. God will free us from the presence of sin for all eternity.
 
That's exactly what I'm saying! Here in this world, God freed us from the controlling power of sin, whereas in the next eternal age, we will not only possess a new nature (due to our new bodies) that will perfectly free us from sin but sin itself will no longer be a reality. God will free us from the presence of sin for all eternity.

So how did the angels sin? Ezekiel 28-15 thou was perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created till iniquity was found in thee. Isint just is having the knowledge of good and evil mean sin will always be a possibility? Satan was created perfect and still sinned. We were born into sin and we wont be able to?
 
Whether the soul is given in the womb or outside is irrelevant as to why that child has human life. God creates the soul, you agreed with me on that, but you want to back pedal and put them having human life down to no other reason than being spanked. Shame, shame.
Do you even know what you are talking about? Try recording your statements and playing them back prior to posting. Thanks. . . . .
 
According to the Bible: Having a belief in the gospel message and His Word (the Bible) is the same thing as having the faith in such things. Lets look at Scripture to see what I am referring to.

Romans 5:2 KJV

"By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."​
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;​
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
Mark 1:15 KJV
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."
Romans 10:16–17 (KJV)
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Notice carefully that we have access to God's grace by faith according to Romans 5:2.
Calvinists seem to think we have access to God's grace in Election or Predestination. Meaning they see the order like this:
Grace → Regeneration → Faith → Justification → Sanctification. But Romans 5:2 says we have ACCESS to God's grace by faith.

Anyway, getting back to my main point:

1 Corinthians 15:1-2, and Mark 1:15 tie in "the gospel" with the word "believed" or "believe" (i.e., a belief).
Yet, in Romans 10:16, it ties in those who have not obeyed the gospel with the word "faith" in verse 17.

So Scripture ties a belief in the gospel, and faith in the gospel.
Nowhere does the Bible say that faith and belief in the gospel are two different concepts.
The word "faith" and "believe" are simply synonyms. They are saying the same thing.


Side Note:

Some Calvinists do not really believe in Sanctification because they are hardcore sin and still be saved salvationists. Granted, this does not reflect the view of all Calvinists (of course).






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Faith is assurance and conviction. My believing doesn't guarantee that but the faith that comes from the Word does.

Heb.11:1
11 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

So I disagree that believing which, is an act of my will and faith are the same thing. The two, my will and the Word, must go together but it is the word that holds all the power to create faith.
 
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I will put My fear in their hearts, so that they will never turn away from Me. from Jeremiah 32 v 40
 
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God opens wombs and gives life. Human nature was corrupted by sin. God could have done things differently. He chose to save men, make them partakers of the divine nature, and remake them into the image of His Son.

So...no level field doctrine. Which is correct. How did God level the field for all those who never heard the gospel? He of course didn't.

You can cut it any way you wish Cameron but you said God creates souls so they are either created imperfect or created perfect but not both.

Who says God could have done it differently? You are not wiser than God to know that.

They were already created in His image and likeness, they could not be corrupted (in their soul) until they were born into this world and they had to have a language with which to think so they could make the choice to sin. Babies are not born with language skills so they became corrupted in their human nature not created corrupted.

God chose to save believers, not just anyone.

He leveled the playing field by enabling men to accept or reject Him of their own volition according to what they preferred. Until God acts in grace, men have no choice before them.

Every other intelligent creature had to choose of their own volition to accept or reject the truth of God but you won't allow men the same responsibility?

He created Adam's body and soul and breathed into him life. Not necessary for the rest of humanity. We are conceived and inherit all that he had.

He did not create Adam's body, He formed it from the dirt. He did not create Eve's body, He built it from Adam's rib. He created (bara) Adam's soul, formed (yatsar) his body and gave (nathan) him a spirit. Different words are used because how God made (asah) man was different in each case. Together, spirit, soul and body make a human being as God intended human beings to be in this world.

God breathed into Adam's body human and spiritual life, breath of lives.
 
You can cut it any way you wish Cameron but you said God creates souls so they are either created imperfect or created perfect but not both.

Who says God could have done it differently? You are not wiser than God to know that.

They were already created in His image and likeness, they could not be corrupted (in their soul) until they were born into this world and they had to have a language with which to think so they could make the choice to sin. Babies are not born with language skills so they became corrupted in their human nature not created corrupted.

God chose to save believers, not just anyone.

He leveled the playing field by enabling men to accept or reject Him of their own volition according to what they preferred. Until God acts in grace, men have no choice before them.

Every other intelligent creature had to choose of their own volition to accept or reject the truth of God but you won't allow men the same responsibility?



He did not create Adam's body, He formed it from the dirt. He did not create Eve's body, He built it from Adam's rib. He created (bara) Adam's soul, formed (yatsar) his body and gave (nathan) him a spirit. Different words are used because how God made (asah) man was different in each case. Together, spirit, soul and body make a human being as God intended human beings to be in this world.

God breathed into Adam's body human and spiritual life, breath of lives.
it's simple Mrs sawdust, the soul is the seed of man, it just changes in identity for each person,

Secondly the word declares , that the soul that sins dies.

That would also be Adams seed that dies that became corrupted.

Next the word declares the wages for sin is death,

Thats what happened to the seed of man. Death

Tte flesh can never be saved so wages for sin meaning death means the soul which is the seed of man

And since it corrupted all mankind, Adams soul was also the seed of man.

And the the soul that sins dies. t mean Adams seed lives in all men, as the word declares the seed of man fell in the garden of eden

If you have any question take it to God 😄
 
They were told what is correct.
Evil rationalized it away.

Rationalized it away, like the line of reasoning Satan handed Eve in the Garden.
Yep and just like him you've rationalized all the truth I showed you away m, and then made me the villain.

That's exactly what evil does
 
You can cut it any way you wish Cameron but you said God creates souls so they are either created imperfect or created perfect but not both.

Who says God could have done it differently? You are not wiser than God to know that.

They were already created in His image and likeness, they could not be corrupted (in their soul) until they were born into this world and they had to have a language with which to think so they could make the choice to sin. Babies are not born with language skills so they became corrupted in their human nature not created corrupted.

God chose to save believers, not just anyone.

He leveled the playing field by enabling men to accept or reject Him of their own volition according to what they preferred. Until God acts in grace, men have no choice before them.

Every other intelligent creature had to choose of their own volition to accept or reject the truth of God but you won't allow men the same responsibility?



He did not create Adam's body, He formed it from the dirt. He did not create Eve's body, He built it from Adam's rib. He created (bara) Adam's soul, formed (yatsar) his body and gave (nathan) him a spirit. Different words are used because how God made (asah) man was different in each case. Together, spirit, soul and body make a human being as God intended human beings to be in this world.

God breathed into Adam's body human and spiritual life, breath of lives.
God does create the soul, and He creates it good. The transference of corruption comes from the parents. That's the point being made in Genesis 5 where Adam has a son in his own likeness and imagine, and Psalm 51 where David says in sin did my mother conceive me. The transference of sin comes from the parents.
 
I suppose it would go back to how man was before sin.
free from sin, with the seed of man uncorrupted, innocent and free, all the nice things the soul now desires, and the things the soul wishes it have, that I wish for and others

Theres no separation if the seed hadn't of become corrupted, The tree of life no doubt with the lords spirit m, was there the true vine, no doubt willing them on to accept life, and if they had, no doubt the tree of life Jesus would of started baring fruits for them to eat. All manner of fruits.

It never happend because our seed became corrupted with sin, like how plant seeds get poisoned and don't bloom, or when the seed has no substance it cant hatch.

Or when a chicken lays a none fertile eggs it doesn't hatch.

The seed of man was created like this to accept the life and hatch.

God is gardener and the true vine, all life flows through him when in his life . All life is created with him, in one grand design with seeds that hatch.

We mankind was a seed planted in his garden that instead of becoming a rose as intended we became a thorn.

Because God chose us to accept his ways because he created.us with intelligence in his image.

He never created us to sin to be evil he created us to be his children, with the same unique way for everyone, to be given the chance to be his through mutualism.

Anyone who has issues with this should take it up with God.
 
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Do you even know what you are talking about? Try recording your statements and playing them back prior to posting. Thanks. . . . .

Both you and Cameron said they breathed because they got spanked. Really? You want to stick with that testimony? Maybe it is you who should record yourself and playback your own nonsense to yourself only then the rest of us wouldn't have to deal with it. :rolleyes:
 
Well, I respectfully disagree concerning being born with sin or born having sin, but I still love you.
well you would seeing as Cameron is the number one person to disagree with around here.

Man is born with a seed that hasn't hatched as intended.

If you want to deny what the word of God says,.take it up with God.

The truth about mans nature as it grows from youth, is it alone afraid worried and troubled about life and death.

In any given situation that takes courage mans nature is always having to will it's self on. And needs a saviour.

The whole purpose for Jesus defeating sin in the flesh was to give everyone a chance of having a new seed.

This is the core belief of Christianity.