Saved by faith alone?
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I believe Paul is referring to the faith of Christ, ie, the gospel, the doctrines of Christ, not his personal faith. For example:
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And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. Acts 6:7
It only sounds like a contradiction to those who teach salvation by faith AND works. We are saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone. Saved through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) Hence, faith and not faith and works. Faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Works follow genuine faith (Ephesians 2:8-10) but not a bare prefession of faith. (James 2:14) I'm not confused at all but prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I was very confused when I still trusted in works for salvation and not in Jesus Christ alone. Reformed theology? Usually the boogeyman label is Calvinist.
Here is the order. Made alive together with Christ/saved by grace through faith, not works, then we become His workmanship created in Christ Jesus UNTO/FOR good works. (Ephesians 2:5-10)
God certainly has prepared beforehand that believers walk in good works, exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit. All genuine believers are fruitful but not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23)
Seriously Stan - that’s how you read my comment? I was just noting how unusual it was to see death phrased as ‘croaking’ (it's been a while since I've heard that phrasing) and someone's reported revelation said to rather be what it was speculated to be, especially in a theological thread.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
See Romans 12:3 - Yes it is the faith of the Lord He has given us.
Remember, faith is one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit that we get when we become a New Creature in Christ Jesus
After someone gets born again, if they go back to walking after the flesh they disqualify themselves
Ephesians 2:10 clearly tells us God has ORDAINED those that get born again to walk in good works, so those they deny this are teaching a different jesus and another gospel and do not accept the entire New Covenant.
Back to contradicting yourself once again.
Those that teach faith alone believe they can walk after the flesh living in sin and still be saved as long as they keep claiming they believe Jesus went to the cross for their sins.
These people bring reproach upon the Lord
It is dead.
If they really had faith that would put off the old man and instead put on the new man which is created in righteousness and true holiness talked about in Ephesians 4:24
People that carry the mail need a lot of spiritual growth yet.
As I learned from the Lord, I have no respect for death because I'm not separated from the Lord
The Lord laughs at death as it has no power of Him and it has no power over me either
Provide one piece of scripture where it states that Jesus laughed at something.
No, I do not do or say what your inability to comprehend asserts. Not breaking the law does not
automatically translate into one walking by the spirit. Your inability to grasp such a simple concept
makes me wonder why I ever thought you knew what you were talking about. Please read your Bible.
In it you will discover that unregenerated people do not walk by the Spirit. It is pretty basic.
He is essentially saying that anyone who refrains from breaking the law for whatever reason is saved.
But unsaved people do not walk by the Spirit. Only saved people do.
So his belief is cray cray.
Psalm 37:13
the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he sees that his day is coming
Psalm 2:4
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Jesus does as His Father does so the Lord be laughing!
REPOST
The thief was forgiven by Christ as he forgave others while alive, under the OT! Baptism wasn't a requirement of salvation until Christ died, at which poitgd NT began. Read Hebrews 9:16-17
16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
It's a false argument trying to relate the thief on the cross with baptism.
IF you actually knew the Word of the Lord you would know Jesus only does and says what the Father does and says:
John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
It's high time to grow up and put away childish things!
Because the Lord led him to do so.
Point is if the thief was saved before baptism was instituted, was it needed for salvation? Evidently faith alone was enough for the thief. But you knew the point I was making didnt you?
I am fully aware that Jesus only does the things that the Father wants to accomplish. What makes you think that I didn't know this?
Perhaps you should take your own advice.
You're becoming cloying.
I pay you a compliment and in return you tried to insult me.
You should limit your replies to those that are naive enough to actually give a squat about your holier than thou ravings.
We're through here. Good riddance.
Only in cases where baptism is not possible such as the thief on the cross or someone on their death bed.
In Mark 16:16 Jesus says "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved" so as a matter of doctrine one cannot say being water baptized in not needed as they will claiming Jesus is a liar
See ya
