Temple News

[ZNP]

it's a valid analogy. you just didn't get it.

if there's a prophecy about a red heifer and someone deliberately produces a red heifer, that's exactly the same thing as my medium rare steak and allergy

We got your analogy, and if there is a prophecy about the Jews having to go through a burnt offering (holocaust) in order to be reconciled to God and return to the good land and so Hitler builds a gas chamber and the UN is formed and tells them to return it is exactly the same thing that you just said. Scoffers will scoff and mockers will mock, it is not my job to keep the blind from going into the ditch. My job is to warn them, if they reject that warning that is on them.

 

[ZNP]

We got your analogy, and if there is a prophecy about the Jews having to go through a burnt offering (holocaust) in order to be reconciled to God and return to the good land and so Hitler builds a gas chamber and the UN is formed and tells them to return it is exactly the same thing that you just said. Scoffers will scoff and mockers will mock, it is not my job to keep the blind from going into the ditch. My job is to warn them, if they reject that warning that is on them.

What you are missing is the prophecy that the Tabernacle of David, something we haven't seen for 3,000 years would be raised again in Shiloh with all the furniture in the Holy Place and Holy of Holies. That is truly remarkable and that the priesthood which had disappeared for two thousand years would be restarted and that all this would happen at this time. There are a hundred prophecies, anyone of them may not seem like much, maybe a longshot, but still a reasonable bet. But if you calculate the odds of all these prophecies being fulfilled, the odds for all of them are greater than 1 trillion to 1. Chuck Missler used to calculate odds and that was before all of these recent prophecies had been fulfilled and he was already way over 1 trillion to 1.

 

[Gideon300]

There are two different greek words, one refers to the building that we would call "the temple" and one refers to the Holy Sanctuary which is in both the Tabernacle and Temple. All the verses you are using are referring to the sanctuary. There is not a single verse describing a building being built, but there is a verse saying that the Tabernacle of David will be raised again. Daniel does not prophesy of a third temple being built, he prophesies of an idol being put into the sanctuary, the Tabernacle has the sanctuary just as the temple did.



What we do know for sure and that we both agree on is that the oblations and sacrifices by the Priests will begin again. They don't need to build a temple to do that, they have the Tabernacle, it has been raised, the red heifer has been burned, the ashes have been collected. So if anyone is waiting for them to start construction on a temple as a final warning prior to the tribulation starting there is no biblical basis for that at all. The Jews have everything they need to do oblations and sacrifices right now.

As for knowing Greek and Hebrew we have excellent word studies and lexicons done by the best scholars and this is a very simple question, two very different words, it is very obvious when they are talking about the Temple, the building, or when they are talking about the sanctuary, the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies.

According to Amir Tsarfati, the physical temple will be rebuilt. Amir is of the tribe of Judah, born in Israel a few years after the rebirth of Israel. I believe he knows what he is talking about. One thing he pointed out is that the temple will be rebuilt during the tribulation. You don't want to be here to see it.

Amir's understanding is that the Antichrist will use the prospect of building the temple to get many Jews onside. That figures to me. I believe the Antichrist will come out of Rome, likely the Vatican. The Catholic organisation is pushing for amalgamation with Islam and religious Judaism. There is already a trial run for that as there is a mosque, synagogue and catholic church under one roof. It's in Abu Dhabi. So why not a temple next to the dome of the rock? This will be during the first half of the 7 year period, Daniel's 70th week. Then the Antichrist occupies the temple and proclaims himself God.

It's more important for unbelievers to know these things. They may avoid the fate of the Antichrist. When they see prophecy fulfilled, they can refuse the mark of the beast. It will be terrible if they refuse; much worse if they accept.

 

[ZNP]

According to Amir Tsarfati, the physical temple will be rebuilt. Amir is of the tribe of Judah, born in Israel a few years after the rebirth of Israel. I believe he knows what he is talking about. One thing he pointed out is that the temple will be rebuilt during the tribulation. You don't want to be here to see it.

All I am asking is a Bible prophecy saying this is true. The Bible is clear that the priesthood will be restarted and we have seen that, they couldn't have had the red heifer ceremony without a certified priesthood. The Bible is clear that the oblations and sacrifices will be restarted and then stopped by the Antichrist, and this ceremony with the Red Heifer demonstrates that as well. The Temple institute said it was done precisely according to the Law of Moses, that means they have raised the tabernacle of David. There is a prophecy that the Tabernacle of David will be raised again at the end of the age in Shiloh and that has been fulfilled. The Bible is not shy about making bold prophecies that get fulfilled to the letter. The Bible says that the grounds on the Temple mount will be given to the Gentiles and that has been fulfilled.

The Bible also says that pattern is prophecy, that which has been is that which shall be. David reigned in Hebron (signifying heaven) for seven years and six months before coming to Jerusalem. I believe that is a reference to the raptured saints being in heaven during the seven year tribulation before establishing His kingdom on Earth during the millennial kingdom. For a thousand years we have the restoration of all things before the New Jerusalem which is the third Temple of God descends from heaven to earth.

There is no mention that Antichrist builds a temple, there is no mention that the temple he built is then torn down. But we are told there is no temple in Jerusalem because the entire city is the temple. Meanwhile, during this age Paul says the church is the temple of God.

All I am asking for is a Bible verse to back up this doctrine and that people stop telling Christians that a temple has to be rebuilt because Amir Tsarfati says so.

Amir's understanding is that the Antichrist will use the prospect of building the temple to get many Jews onside. That figures to me. I believe the Antichrist will come out of Rome, likely the Vatican. The Catholic organisation is pushing for amalgamation with Islam and religious Judaism. There is already a trial run for that as there is a mosque, synagogue and catholic church under one roof. It's in Abu Dhabi. So why not a temple next to the dome of the rock? This will be during the first half of the 7 year period, Daniel's 70th week. Then the Antichrist occupies the temple and proclaims himself God.

It's more important for unbelievers to know these things. They may avoid the fate of the Antichrist. When they see prophecy fulfilled, they can refuse the mark of the beast. It will be terrible if they refuse; much worse if they accept.

I agree that they will sell the idea of building a temple, and I agree that Antichrist will insert himself into this discussion. But many Christians are waiting to see the temple rebuilt, that is a major error. There is absolutely no reason to believe the Temple will be rebuilt prior to the tribulation starting and Antichrist coming to power. There is no prophecy saying the mosque will be torn down, on the contrary we are told the temple grounds will be given to the Gentiles to trample under foot.

 

[shittim]

it's a valid analogy. you just didn't get it.

if there's a prophecy about a red heifer and someone deliberately produces a red heifer, that's exactly the same thing as my medium rare steak and allergy

people really have to stop drying their hair in the microwave.
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[Gideon300]

All I am asking is a Bible prophecy saying this is true. The Bible is clear that the priesthood will be restarted and we have seen that, they couldn't have had the red heifer ceremony without a certified priesthood. The Bible is clear that the oblations and sacrifices will be restarted and then stopped by the Antichrist, and this ceremony with the Red Heifer demonstrates that as well. The Temple institute said it was done precisely according to the Law of Moses, that means they have raised the tabernacle of David. There is a prophecy that the Tabernacle of David will be raised again at the end of the age in Shiloh and that has been fulfilled. The Bible is not shy about making bold prophecies that get fulfilled to the letter. The Bible says that the grounds on the Temple mount will be given to the Gentiles and that has been fulfilled.

The Bible also says that pattern is prophecy, that which has been is that which shall be. David reigned in Hebron (signifying heaven) for seven years and six months before coming to Jerusalem. I believe that is a reference to the raptured saints being in heaven during the seven year tribulation before establishing His kingdom on Earth during the millennial kingdom. For a thousand years we have the restoration of all things before the New Jerusalem which is the third Temple of God descends from heaven to earth.

There is no mention that Antichrist builds a temple, there is no mention that the temple he built is then torn down. But we are told there is no temple in Jerusalem because the entire city is the temple. Meanwhile, during this age Paul says the church is the temple of God.

All I am asking for is a Bible verse to back up this doctrine and that people stop telling Christians that a temple has to be rebuilt because Amir Tsarfati says so.



I agree that they will sell the idea of building a temple, and I agree that Antichrist will insert himself into this discussion. But many Christians are waiting to see the temple rebuilt, that is a major error. There is absolutely no reason to believe the Temple will be rebuilt prior to the tribulation starting and Antichrist coming to power. There is no prophecy saying the mosque will be torn down, on the contrary we are told the temple grounds will be given to the Gentiles to trample under foot.

Give me a break and stop nitpicking. The Antichrist will not build the temple; the Jews will be enabled to build it. It will happen after the rapture.

Like most of the Bible teachings, you have to look into it to find the truth. There are a number of prophecies that should be looked at. For example, you doubt that the temple will be built. Revelation 11:2 says that the outer court will be given over to the gentiles for 42 months. That will be a little difficult if there is no temple.

People like Amir have a tremendous motivation to get to the truth of these prophecies. He seeks to alert fellow Jews to the coming tribulation. He also seeks to dispel misunderstanding and confusion in the Church generally. Is he right about everything? I don't know. Genius believers with doctorates in Hebrew and Greek can't agree. How are ordinary believers like me supposed to know for sure?

Amir has an advantage as a born Jew who knows the subtleties of Hebrew. However, some aspects are still open to interpretation. Amir does not claim that the temple will be built for sure next to the dome of the rock. All he says is that there is sufficient room.

I'm not even convinced that the "temple mount" is the actual site of the original temples. It may well be the site of the Roman garrison that was there to maintain order in those days. Some archaeologists have found evidence of another possible location nearby. If true, that will make it a whole lot easier to rebuild the temple. I won't be here to see it, so it's not that important to me.

 

[Dude653]

We got your analogy, and if there is a prophecy about the Jews having to go through a burnt offering (holocaust) in order to be reconciled to God and return to the good land and so Hitler builds a gas chamber and the UN is formed and tells them to return it is exactly the same thing that you just said. Scoffers will scoff and mockers will mock, it is not my job to keep the blind from going into the ditch. My job is to warn them, if they reject that warning that is on them.

there was no such prophecy

 

[shittim]

He didn't post that there was, he led with "if". The way you misread and respond in error is concerning.
Trouble in a persons life is never from above, all error in our lives opens the door for the adversary to come in, and it looks like your door is wide open.

 

[Howdy]

The Jews may build a building and call it a temple and offers sacrifices again, but God will not be there.
Jesus' blood on the cross was the last sacrifice God accepted. Any offering after that was a denial of Jesus sacrifice for man's sins.

 

[ZNP]

Give me a break and stop nitpicking. The Antichrist will not build the temple; the Jews will be enabled to build it. It will happen after the rapture.

Like most of the Bible teachings, you have to look into it to find the truth. There are a number of prophecies that should be looked at. For example, you doubt that the temple will be built. Revelation 11:2 says that the outer court will be given over to the gentiles for 42 months. That will be a little difficult if there is no temple.

People like Amir have a tremendous motivation to get to the truth of these prophecies. He seeks to alert fellow Jews to the coming tribulation. He also seeks to dispel misunderstanding and confusion in the Church generally. Is he right about everything? I don't know. Genius believers with doctorates in Hebrew and Greek can't agree. How are ordinary believers like me supposed to know for sure?

Amir has an advantage as a born Jew who knows the subtleties of Hebrew. However, some aspects are still open to interpretation. Amir does not claim that the temple will be built for sure next to the dome of the rock. All he says is that there is sufficient room.

I'm not even convinced that the "temple mount" is the actual site of the original temples. It may well be the site of the Roman garrison that was there to maintain order in those days. Some archaeologists have found evidence of another possible location nearby. If true, that will make it a whole lot easier to rebuild the temple. I won't be here to see it, so it's not that important to me.

It is pointless to debate this. I am not interested in non Biblical teachings. If you have a Bible verse that says the temple will be built that is fine, I am interested.

I don't care if you think it will be built or not, the only thing I do care about is telling people that they must build the temple, there is no Biblical basis to say that. Again, they have already raised the Tabernacle of David, that is sufficient for oblations and sacrifices, and that provides a place for Antichrist to place his idol.

 

[ZNP]

Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees

Matthew 16:5 And when his disciples were come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread. 6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. 7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread. 8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread? 9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? 10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? 11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? 12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

First of all, leaven does not mean sin, it means the doctrines of the society you live in. The doctrines of the Pharisees were leaven, but so are the doctrines of Islam and the doctrines of Catholocism and the doctrines of Hindus, etc. Telling you that you must wash your hands before eating is a doctrine of man and is leaven. These doctrines are not necessarily sin unless they are in rebellion to the word of God. So yes, the leaven is associated with sin because the doctrines of Jezebel are in rebellion to God, but technically they refer to teachings which have the potential to short circuit the word of God. So then, to take heed and beware of the leaven means you need to examine the doctrines that you are embracing, are they based on the word of God? That is to take heed. If not, beware of them, they are like a snake hidden in the grass.

Let us consider three examples of the leaven around the rapture.

1. No one will know who the Antichrist is until after the rapture. This is based on Paul saying that after the restrainer steps aside the man of lawlessness (the Antichrist) will be revealed. They interpret the restrainer stepping aside as the rapture (I agree) and they interpret the man of lawlessness to be the Antichrist (I agree). But who is he revealed to? According to Paul he is revealed to those left behind and the unbelievers. Who was the restrainer restraining? It was the man of sin, the Antichrist kingdom. If those who are raptured are restraining the Antichrist, how are they doing that if they can't see him? Paul is not saying that those who are raptured cannot see the Antichrist, only that those who are left behind, those who are asleep, they will wake up after the rapture and then see him when it is too late. This doctrine encourages people to have the attitude "no one knows so don't bother looking". It is a drug to put you to sleep.

2. No one knows the day or the hour, this is the most famous doctrine, but it is also leaven. Jesus said no one knows the day or the hour, so then how can this be leaven? Well they again use this to say "no one knows, so stop talking about it" and again it is a drug to put you to sleep. Go find where Jesus said "no one knows the day or the hour" and He follows that up with "therefore you have to watch". The farmer doesn't know the day or the hour he will harvest when he plants his seeds, therefore he has to watch. The pregnant woman doesn't know the day or the hour she will have the baby therefore you have to watch. You don't know the day or the hour that a thief will come, therefore you hire a night watchman.

3. The Jews will rebuild the temple. First of all there are two Greek words that we translate as "temple" in English. One means the building, like a Cathedral or Mosque. The other word refers to the Holy sanctuary, the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies. All of the verses that would indicate there is a temple during the tribulation refer to the Holy Sanctuary. Even though the New Testament refers to the Temple complex, the building, over sixty times, never once does it indicate that building will be present during the tribulation. Also there is no prophecy in the Old Testament of the Jews rebuilding a third temple. Instead there is a prophecy that in the last days the tabernacle of David will be raised. The Holy Sanctuary can be present in both the Tabernacle and Temple. Now because of this doctrine of the temple being rebuilt many Christians are focused on this sign saying that when the Jews begin to rebuild the temple, or when they get a peace plan that allows them to rebuild the temple, that is the sign of the Lord's coming. So instead of watching for all the signs everyone focuses on this one sign. What is the harm in that? Well in June of 2025 Israel had a ceremony where they burned one of their certified red heifers to ashes and the temple institute collected those ashes for purifying the temple (meaning the Holy Sanctuary). They said the ceremony was done according to the law of Moses. That means they have restarted the priesthood and the oblations and they also must have raised the tabernacle of David. You cannot perform this ceremony unless the tabernacle of David has been raised because you must be looking into the temple (the Holy Sanctuary) at the time of this ceremony. That is the prophecy, according to the Old Testament the Tabernacle of David will be raised again in Shiloh and that is precisely what took place in June of 2025. So all the Christians worldwide were alerted, right? Nope, they are all looking at the Temple mount and didn't pay any attention. Leaven makes it easier to eat bread. The word of God is bread. To watch for the Lord's return is hard, but if all I have to do is watch the temple mount, well that is easier.

Hence the Lord's word, take heed and beware the leaven of the Pharisees.

 

[ZNP]

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

There is a lot of debate over what this covenant is. Recently Trump signed a covenant concerning Israel and that covenant was confirmed by many. Perhaps the Antichrist was one of the many who signed that? But this term "confirm" could mean to strengthen and so many understand this verse to say that the Antichrist will strengthen a weak covenant by introducing the mark of the beast. Either you obey or else you cannot buy or sell. So I don't think this is a peace treaty, I think it is either the Pact for the Future which was signed in 2024 on the Feast of Trumpets or something like that. Basically the idea is to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases each country emits. It is a weak covenant because no one follows it but they are happy to sign because they want other countries to follow it. But what would really strengthen that covenant is if the Antichrist had complete control over what you could buy or sell with a digital currency. That would put some real teeth into that covenant. This verse does not say the covenant is for one week, it says the Antichrist strengthens it for one week. The one week period begins with the strengthening, and it is 2520 days. This action is linked to the second action of Antichrist causing the sacrifice and oblation to cease. Why would the covenant be linked to Israel and their worship with sacrifices and oblations? It is because of the overspreading of abominations. Idol worship, that is the link between the two. This is not the only prophecy in the Old Testament about the day of the Lord. There are two other prophecies that tell us clearly that the reason for God pouring out His judgement on the Day of the Lord (at least one of the major reasons) is that they divided His land. Why would Trump be so big on dividing Israel's land? He has said clearly that he thinks Gaza will make the absolutely best area to build a Mediterranean resort. He also probably appreciates how big a tourist attraction a Jewish temple would be. Dividing Israel's land is all about the worship of money. But what about the Pact for the future, isn't that about protecting the earth? No! Not even close. That is about using all the electricity for AI. These AI factories (called data centers) are huge consumers of electricity. They need people to stop using energy so the AI can use it, and they are doing this because AI is the new superpower. This is the worship of power. God is omniscient and omnipotent. They want to replace God with AI. That is idolatry. The reason for the day of the Lord making the whole earth desolate is because of idol worship. This judgement has been determined, it is written in the word of God and it will be poured out on the desolate. First Antichrist pulls the rug out from under the Jews and pours out judgment on them, and then righteous judgement says "as you have done it will be done unto you". The Jews are desolate when the oblations and sacrifices are caused to cease. They do not have a temple. They might have thought they were going to get one, but they are stabbed in the back.

You don't need a "temple" to have sacrifices and oblations, that can simply refer to the Tabernacle.

 

[shittim]

Thank you, brother, we are not in total agreement on this, but are both watching His plan to redeem His creation. Blessings to you and yours.

 

[ZNP]

Is there anything that proves the covenant is not a Peace treaty so that Israel can rebuild the temple?

Yes, the fact that this time limit of seven years is given. Would you build a cathedral based on a seven year lease?

In fact I suspect the Pact for the Future is the only seven year covenant the UN has ever made. The thought is that the temporary time frame is all that is necessary to get the climate situation under control.

The seven year period describes the covenant, no one is going to build the Jewish temple with a seven year covenant. No one makes a peace treaty for seven years. Now you might impose martial law for a limited time, and you might claim that the digital currency controlling what people buy and sell is limited to, just until you get things under control. If there is a famine you might impose special laws to distribute the food until the famine is over, etc.

However, the covenant is linked to the temple worship with the word "and". This is why many have guessed that the covenant gives the Jews a treaty to build the temple, but that makes no sense as that would never be a seven year covenant. So what links the two is the idol worship. The seven year covenant is tied to worshipping the beast, this AI, robot, system and the Jews agreeing to split the land of Israel is also tied to idol worship, worshipping money. Because of all this idol worship God steps in.

 

[Gideon300]

It is pointless to debate this. I am not interested in non Biblical teachings. If you have a Bible verse that says the temple will be built that is fine, I am interested.

I don't care if you think it will be built or not, the only thing I do care about is telling people that they must build the temple, there is no Biblical basis to say that. Again, they have already raised the Tabernacle of David, that is sufficient for oblations and sacrifices, and that provides a place for Antichrist to place his idol.

I'm not telling anyone that they must build a temple. I'm saying that it will be built - by Jews, not Christians. That's all.

 

[Me_Clay]

For those who do not believe the Temple will be rebuilt consider what Apostle John wrote in the book of Revelations:

Rev 11:1

I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the Temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers.

We also missed an important event on the Feast of Trumpets 2025

"The Stone (Cornerstone) Was Set at Dawn (23 September 2025)"

Guys, which temple ? the one built by man and occupied by Antichrist or Jesus millennium temple?

 

[ZNP]

Guys, which temple ? the one built by man and occupied by Antichrist or Jesus millennium temple?

We are discussing the temple occupied by Antichrist. That word "temple" is a reference to the Holy Sanctuary, meaning the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies. It is not the word for a large building that we would call a temple.

 

[Dude653]

Guys, which temple ? the one built by man and occupied by Antichrist or Jesus millennium temple?

I am not aware of any Antichrist temple

 

[ZNP]

I am not aware of any Antichrist temple

The term "antichrist" means counterfeit Christ, or "in place of" Christ. The term Christ means anointed one, just as king David was anointed to be king. Antichrist sits in the Holy Sanctuary because he is "in place of" Christ. King Saul was a type of the Antichrist and Adonijah was a type of the Antichrist and Absalom was a type of the Antichrist. Antiochus Epiphanes was also a type of the Antichrist. His name means "God manifested" or "Illustrious one". His nickname was Antiochus Epimanes, which means the mad one.

So the Antichrist will definitely associate himself with the temple (holy sanctuary). But he will not build a temple. According to the Rabbis the Messiah builds the third temple and according to Jesus and Paul that third temple is the church.

Christianity has mistakenly taught that a third temple must be built on the temple mount because of the misunderstanding that many words which were translated as "temple" in english actually refer to the Holy Sanctuary in the tabernacle of David. There is no prophecy that at the end of this age there would be a third temple built by the Jews on the temple mount. Instead there is a very clear prophecy that at the end of the Millennial reign the New Jerusalem will descend from heaven to earth and that the entire New Jerusalem is the temple of God.

 

[Dude653]

The term "antichrist" means counterfeit Christ, or "in place of" Christ. The term Christ means anointed one, just as king David was anointed to be king. Antichrist sits in the Holy Sanctuary because he is "in place of" Christ. King Saul was a type of the Antichrist and Adonijah was a type of the Antichrist and Absalom was a type of the Antichrist. Antiochus Epiphanes was also a type of the Antichrist. His name means "God manifested" or "Illustrious one". His nickname was Antiochus Epimanes, which means the mad one.

So the Antichrist will definitely associate himself with the temple (holy sanctuary). But he will not build a temple. According to the Rabbis the Messiah builds the third temple and according to Jesus and Paul that third temple is the church.

Christianity has mistakenly taught that a third temple must be built on the temple mount because of the misunderstanding that many words which were translated as "temple" in english actually refer to the Holy Sanctuary in the tabernacle of David. There is no prophecy that at the end of this age there would be a third temple built by the Jews on the temple mount. Instead there is a very clear prophecy that at the end of the Millennial reign the New Jerusalem will descend from heaven to earth and that the entire New Jerusalem is the temple of God.

sounds like some anti-semitic