Ok, fine. You got me. The English word rapture is never used for translation from the Greek harpazo, which is always translated caught up.
Rapture true or false
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Remember the Old Testament saints already rose with Christ
“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ , the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.”
1 Corinthians 15:22-23 KJV
But it says when he returns the dead in Christ will rise and then those alive will be changed and caught up together with Jesus . They can’t be already risen with him and also rising when he returns and then being caught up but many of the ot saints already rose with Christ
They that are Christs at his coming ….
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
The ot faithful were promised a resurrection when the messiah came at the end of thier covenant . And in the nt the people are promised a resurrection when Jesus returns a second time from heaven at the end of the world.
You are right here ----But not ALL the Saints were Resurrected Here ---these Saints were resurrected to fulfil a Prophecy of the Old Testament ----
all Saints in the Graves are Resurrected at the Pre-Trib Rapture the dead arise first then the living Saints are taken at the Rapture ------
Ezeckiel 37 ------this is the Prophecy that is being fulfilled here
https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/37.htm
Prophecy and Restoration
God commands Ezekiel to prophesy over the bones, promising restoration and life. This theme highlights God's power to revive and restore.
Ezekiel 37:4-5 states, "Prophesy concerning these bones and tell them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the LORD! This is what the Lord GOD says to these bones: I will cause breath to enter you, and you will come to life.’"
I say -----Again we need to be very knowledgeable of Scripture -----and get the right UNDERSTANDING so we are not causing confusion to OTHERS ------and wrongly dividing the Word of God -------
“You are right here ----But not ALL the Saints were Resurrected Here ---these Saints were resurrected to fulfil a Prophecy of the Old Testament ----“
Right that’s what I was saying the Old Testament promised Israel’s faithful a resurrection .
“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.”
Ezekiel 37:12 KJV
this was to happen when the son of God the messiah came. and yes the first resurrection of Old Testament saints has happened. It was t all of Israel but the many are the faithful saints of the ot.
“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
Revelation 7:4 KJV
“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: and they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.”
Revelation 14:1-4 KJV
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ , the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.”
1 Corinthians 15:22-23
the ot saints we’re promised a resirrextion when the messiah first came to isreal and this happened . Remember this ? They were waiting for him
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.”
John 11:25-27 KJV
they knew he had promised to abolish death eventually they were told “ rest with thy fathers “ indicating a future time when they would be awakened . Men as far back as job knew of the resurrection promised in the ot. Many prophets spoke also of it. It’s the first resirrection according to the first testament with a resirrection promise .
The new testsment also has a promise of a resurrection of the dead when the messiah comes at the end of our testament . To then he was born a sin of man the “Lamb “of God when he returns it will be as the king of kings and Lord of lords in power and glory unmatched or imagined by man
“For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”
Matthew 16:27
“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Matthew 13:40-43
“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:”
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 KJV
“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
when he shall come to be glorified in his saints,
and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 KJV
Just before th at happens
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
then everything is destroyed in fire and the children of zgid inberit the kingdom of a new heaven and earth together with Jesus forever
To make this statement "want to follow the teachings of the rapture when in so many places God tell us it is a lie? " "It is not accurate to say that the Bible teaches the rapture is a lie. Many believers have different interpretations, but Scripture does not plainly say it is false." "Saying that God calls the rapture a lie is not correct according to Scripture. Believers may disagree on interpretation, but the Bible does not state that. "The Bible doesn’t say the rapture is a lie. People interpret prophecy differently, but Scripture does not support that claim."
All those are true. Now are we talking pre trib or mid trib or post trib? Well 1st Thess Holy Spirit by Paul his first letter was to those that wondered about those believers that have died. And yeah "Caught up" does also mean rapture its 2025 we all know this. Its like some talking about Pre-Trib only being talk about by Darby or 1830. Yeah they just post what someone else said not searching themselves it seems. I found one talking about it and he has a name it was 300-400AD any one can read the scrolls. It was talked about before 300AD and jump all the way to 1600's yeah anyone can read that also. But some like to only talk about those that post trib. Yeah some did talk about it.
So sorry but when someone just says it was only started in 1830 they are either freely willingly lying or never searched. So when talking about Caught up (Rapture) and leaving out the OT .. its not worth really getting into unless they really want to talk discuss not ..the word I got was "belittle" those that do not just disagree.
I know what I lean not but.. I was only given this moment and I am not here to control others or make them come to lol my side of this.. this is about Christ coming for us and Matt-John Jewish people 12 and then others asked about the end. Not a Christian/Church. When I compare Christ coming in the clouds with the angels .. in 1st Thess what does He say there? Who does Christ being with Him? Does not Jude say He comes with 10,000's of His? Even there one has to be truthful some believe its saints others believe it means angels.
So hmm why not watch for Him now? Why not always I mean in every way every thing think about on Him watch what we do what we say how we love our lord our God with all our heart mind and soul and love our enemy and love one another fir that is how they will know we are of Him. Not promised tomorrow.. so go for it.. hold on to He is only coming after the great trib but if He comes now.. not one believer ever can tell you if He comes now.. you go. He will not go against you own will when you do not believe not watching not ready.
Don't believe me.. ask Him.. He real right.. He is in us.. His sheep know hear His voice yes? Go for it.. ask about PRE MID POST.. no pray seek hours weeks months or years. You will never get a answer. Be ready now.. you will never miss Him. Just Him coming for us.. is that not enough
All those are true. Now are we talking pre trib or mid trib or post trib? Well 1st Thess Holy Spirit by Paul his first letter was to those that wondered about those believers that have died. And yeah "Caught up" does also mean rapture its 2025 we all know this. Its like some talking about Pre-Trib only being talk about by Darby or 1830. Yeah they just post what someone else said not searching themselves it seems. I found one talking about it and he has a name it was 300-400AD any one can read the scrolls. It was talked about before 300AD and jump all the way to 1600's yeah anyone can read that also. But some like to only talk about those that post trib. Yeah some did talk about it.
So sorry but when someone just says it was only started in 1830 they are either freely willingly lying or never searched. So when talking about Caught up (Rapture) and leaving out the OT .. its not worth really getting into unless they really want to talk discuss not ..the word I got was "belittle" those that do not just disagree.
I know what I lean not but.. I was only given this moment and I am not here to control others or make them come to lol my side of this.. this is about Christ coming for us and Matt-John Jewish people 12 and then others asked about the end. Not a Christian/Church. When I compare Christ coming in the clouds with the angels .. in 1st Thess what does He say there? Who does Christ being with Him? Does not Jude say He comes with 10,000's of His? Even there one has to be truthful some believe its saints others believe it means angels.
So hmm why not watch for Him now? Why not always I mean in every way every thing think about on Him watch what we do what we say how we love our lord our God with all our heart mind and soul and love our enemy and love one another fir that is how they will know we are of Him. Not promised tomorrow.. so go for it.. hold on to He is only coming after the great trib but if He comes now.. not one believer ever can tell you if He comes now.. you go. He will not go against you own will when you do not believe not watching not ready.
Don't believe me.. ask Him.. He real right.. He is in us.. His sheep know hear His voice yes? Go for it.. ask about PRE MID POST.. no pray seek hours weeks months or years. You will never get a answer. Be ready now.. you will never miss Him. Just Him coming for us.. is that not enough
Who says there's no rapture?
1 Corinthians 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; 23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
You probably say there are no tribulations and no second coming of Jesus and Antichrist and the false prophet are not cast into the lake of fire and Satan is not chained and cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years and everyone will be waiting and waiting for the eternal state.
Psalm 92:6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
1 Corinthians 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; 23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
You probably say there are no tribulations and no second coming of Jesus and Antichrist and the false prophet are not cast into the lake of fire and Satan is not chained and cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years and everyone will be waiting and waiting for the eternal state.
Psalm 92:6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
The reason is simple. It is because God's word speaks of it. A lot. The problem is not with the Bible or with teachers who preach about the rapture. It is the misunderstanding of those who reject the truth of the rapture. You believe what you want. According to God's word, you will be left behind. As for me, I am looking forward to that day.
The Holy Spirit is what restrains the man of Lawlessness. The Holy Spirit is within the church. When we are taken up (maybe not you, I suspect), there will be no restraint. The 7 year tribulation period will begin. You do not want to be here. This article explains it pretty well.
https://christinprophecy.org/articles/why-i-believe-in-a-pre-tribulation-rapture/
Enoch was the seventh from Adam and represents the Church. His name means dedicated or consecrated. He represents those dedicated to the Lord are the ones who are taken.
The old testament prophets were represented by two prophets, Elijah and Elisha. Elijah represents the believers who are caught up in the rapture, and Elisha represents the tribulation saints who will be around when twice as many miracles are done. Jesus said if you put your hand to the plow and then turn back to your family you are not worthy, that is what Elisha did after being called.
There is a a direct analogy between the rapture and the resurrection. Paul said the dead in Christ rise first, that is by definition a resurrection.
The rapture is our "blessed hope" and it is the redemption of our body. So yes, drawing comparisons between the resurrection and the rapture are perfectly fitting.
The 7 year great tribulation, isn't in the word.
There is 70 weeks in Daniel and 3.5 years in Rev. But they are not connected to the final time of trouble.
The 1260 years in Dan and Rev are speaking of the rulership of the papacy.
They persecuted those that followed the bible, and haven't changed.
7 years of tribulation = please prove with the bible.
According to many scholars, the great tribulation is Daniel's "70th week". It helps to know that a Hebrew year is lunar, not solar, i.e. 360 days. Since there are so many brilliant Hebrew scholars who can't agree, I have a point of view. I will state it from time to time. I won't say, "Thus says the Lord". I've listened to a number of preachers, including Jack Hibbs, David Jeremiah. Chuck Missler and Amir Tsarfati among them. My main conclusion is that i won't be around to see if I am right. Either the grave or the rapture will get me first.
In Daniel, the AC makes a 7yr covenant.
In Rev, the AC comes into power with s covenant.
So postribbers will know the day of the rapture.
Yes
The 144k Are first fruit Jews out of the 12 tribes.
Jesus is the first fruits OF THE CHURCH, and later, at the rapture, we see the main harvest of the gentle church
The Jews as described in romans, 9 through 11, are the Jewish harvest. The one forty four k are the first fruits of the Jewish harvest.
just reiterating the facts of the Jewish harvest.
Even at the grave, you will be in the rapture.
The dead IN CHRIST rise first!!!!!
The separating of His sheep from the adversaries goats appears to be process taking place over a period of time with many opportunities to make the right decision.
If the harpazo is also a process, this could be the season as well, there would not be a date and time, but a season of preparation offered all by our loving God?
blessings
If the harpazo is also a process, this could be the season as well, there would not be a date and time, but a season of preparation offered all by our loving God?
blessings
Yeah I think the resurrection promised in each testament corresponding to the messiah promised coming at the culmination of each testaments prophetic line…….first it was the.promised birth of the messiah and his death and resurrection and ascention to heaven and second it is his coming at the end of the world back from heaven the last resurrection and harvest …. Which is according to the New Testament a resurrection and havest is promised in both first Israel’s faithful and lastly to all humanity through the gospel of Jesus Christ.
“the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Matthew 13:40-43 KJV