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They are saved or unsaved. When churches die, those who are saved have already left as the apostasy mounts.
I'm not a trad pew sitter. Nothing's changed with God IMO, but unbelief in the church is rampant
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
They go together.
"Noah’s family was saved from judgment by being in the ark, not by the water that brought judgment on the world."
1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Noah family, 8 SOULS WERE SAVED BY WATER.
The ones who was responsible for putting JESUS on the cross was the first ones reborn with NT rules, LOOK THEY GLADLY RECEIVED HIS WORD AND WERE BAPTIZED. Three THOUSAND souls were added.
Something HAPPENS IN THE WATER, so HIS word is not wrong.
Are you humble? Or just know everything and everyone else is wrong, yea including JESUS.
That’s a classic case of taking “saved by water” out of its typological context — confusing the symbol with the substance.
You’re overlooking Peter’s own clarification in the same verse — “not the putting away of the filth of the flesh.” The very line you quote (1 Peter 3:21) explicitly rules out the physical water as the saving agent. The floodwaters didn’t save Noah; they brought judgment. It was being in the ark that saved him — the ark being the antitype of Christ (1 Peter 3:20–21).
Likewise, Romans 6 isn’t teaching that water unites us to Christ’s death, but that faith does — and baptism is the outward confession of that inward reality. Paul and Peter both tie salvation to “the faith of the operation of God” and “the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (Col. 2:12; 1 Peter 3:21), not to the act of immersion itself. Something happens through faith in Christ, not in the water.
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I’m not claiming to know everything—far from it. But Scripture commands believers to “contend earnestly for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints” (Jude 1:3). When I correct theological error, it’s not out of pride, but out of love for truth and concern for those who may be led astray. True humility doesn’t mean staying silent when God’s Word is being twisted; it means submitting our opinions to what Scripture actually says.
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I’d encourage you to take a step back and spend some time prayerfully reviewing the Scriptures themselves — Acts 10:44–48, 1 Peter 3:21, Romans 6:3–5, and Colossians 2:11–12. A careful reading of these passages in their full context will bring much more clarity and keep the focus where it belongs — on Christ’s finished work and the truth of His Word.
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1 Peter 3:21 (KJV)
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
(Fire Bible Study Notes) 3:21 BAPTISM THAT NOW SAVES YOU ALSO. Water baptism itself will not bring spiritual salvation (see Ac 2:38, note), but it is a clear instruction given in connection with forgiveness of sins (Ac 2:36-38; 3:19). We are actually saved by what water baptism symbolizes–Christ’s death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Christ in these experiences (see Ro 6:4, note). But, at times, the symbol and the reality are so closely linked in Scripture that the symbol of baptism is sometimes used to refer to the reality of salvation (cf. Ac 2:38; 22:16; Gal 3:27). Baptism is part of salvation in the sense that it is an outward sign and public testimony of our repentance (i.e., turning from sin and toward God; see Mt 3:2, note). It is our public confession and pledge that we belong to Christ and have identified with his death in that we have now died to sin’s control and influence (see Ro 6:11, note). We also identify with him in his resurrection because he has given us a new life (Ro 6:3-5; Gal 3:27; Col 2:12; cf. Ac 2:38-39). Notice the comparison of water baptism to the flood of Noah’s time (v. 20). Just as Noah’s obedience to God’s instructions was evidence of his saving faith even before the flood, so being baptized in water is a testimony to our faith in Christ that brought salvation before we were baptized. See Ac 22:16, note on baptism.
(John Phillips Commentary) (1) His Saving Power (3:21)
We note the picture: "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us" (3:21a); we note the parenthesis: "(not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God)" (3:21b), and the process: "by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (3:21c). Whatever else Peter means for us to understand by this statement, he certainly had in mind no such concept as infant baptism. An infant has no conscience, so the sprinkling of babies, which is practiced in some churches, cannot be "the answer" of the baby’s "good conscience toward God." Baptismal regeneration is an idea imported into Christianity by the Roman Catholic Church and borrowed from that source by various other churches. It is the blood that saves us, not water (Col. 1:20; Heb. 9:22; 1 John 1:7).
The word saved here in Peter’s statement regarding the ark means that the eight people on board the ark "were brought safely through." In what sense did the "water" save the people in the ark? The seas lifted up the ark above the death-dealing flood. This fact is intimated in the Old Testament account: "And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. And all flesh died... and the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days" (Gen. 7:17-21, 24, emphasis added).
The only place of refuge was the ark. What saved the ark was the fact that it could ride the tempestuous seas. The rising waters of the flood carried the ark and those within it ever higher. The waters that spelled death to the rest of the world spelled salvation to those people in the ark.
Peter makes clear that baptism does not save us in the sense that it puts away "the filth of the flesh."
The ark was itself a type of Christ. It provided a judgment-proof salvation to those peole who were inside. The ark itself bore the brunt of the storm. Just as we today are "in Christ" and, being in Him, have passed through death, burial, and resurrection, so those "in the ark" in Noah’s day passed through death to life, from the old world to a new world on the other side of wrath.
The ark and the Flood were types. Just so, baptism is a type. The baptism of the believer by immersion in water is both a fact experienced by all who submit to the ordinance and a type or picture. The fact is that the candidate for baptism is a saved person, with his natural defilement washed away in the blood of Christ and his "good conscience" quickened by the Holy Spirit. His baptism is a type. It pictures what has happened to him as a believer. In baptism, he takes his stand in water - an element that spells death to him as a natural man. The believer is plunged beneath the water, symbolizing his burial with Christ. He is then raised by the power of another’s arm to live a new life in Christ on resurrection ground. The actual ceremony of baptism was never intended to be anything more than a picture or a type.
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21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
(Fire Bible Study Notes) 3:21 BAPTISM THAT NOW SAVES YOU ALSO. Water baptism itself will not bring spiritual salvation (see Ac 2:38, note), but it is a clear instruction given in connection with forgiveness of sins (Ac 2:36-38; 3:19). We are actually saved by what water baptism symbolizes–Christ’s death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Christ in these experiences (see Ro 6:4, note). But, at times, the symbol and the reality are so closely linked in Scripture that the symbol of baptism is sometimes used to refer to the reality of salvation (cf. Ac 2:38; 22:16; Gal 3:27). Baptism is part of salvation in the sense that it is an outward sign and public testimony of our repentance (i.e., turning from sin and toward God; see Mt 3:2, note). It is our public confession and pledge that we belong to Christ and have identified with his death in that we have now died to sin’s control and influence (see Ro 6:11, note). We also identify with him in his resurrection because he has given us a new life (Ro 6:3-5; Gal 3:27; Col 2:12; cf. Ac 2:38-39). Notice the comparison of water baptism to the flood of Noah’s time (v. 20). Just as Noah’s obedience to God’s instructions was evidence of his saving faith even before the flood, so being baptized in water is a testimony to our faith in Christ that brought salvation before we were baptized. See Ac 22:16, note on baptism.
(John Phillips Commentary) (1) His Saving Power (3:21)
We note the picture: "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us" (3:21a); we note the parenthesis: "(not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God)" (3:21b), and the process: "by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (3:21c). Whatever else Peter means for us to understand by this statement, he certainly had in mind no such concept as infant baptism. An infant has no conscience, so the sprinkling of babies, which is practiced in some churches, cannot be "the answer" of the baby’s "good conscience toward God." Baptismal regeneration is an idea imported into Christianity by the Roman Catholic Church and borrowed from that source by various other churches. It is the blood that saves us, not water (Col. 1:20; Heb. 9:22; 1 John 1:7).
The word saved here in Peter’s statement regarding the ark means that the eight people on board the ark "were brought safely through." In what sense did the "water" save the people in the ark? The seas lifted up the ark above the death-dealing flood. This fact is intimated in the Old Testament account: "And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. And all flesh died... and the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days" (Gen. 7:17-21, 24, emphasis added).
The only place of refuge was the ark. What saved the ark was the fact that it could ride the tempestuous seas. The rising waters of the flood carried the ark and those within it ever higher. The waters that spelled death to the rest of the world spelled salvation to those people in the ark.
Peter makes clear that baptism does not save us in the sense that it puts away "the filth of the flesh."
The ark was itself a type of Christ. It provided a judgment-proof salvation to those peole who were inside. The ark itself bore the brunt of the storm. Just as we today are "in Christ" and, being in Him, have passed through death, burial, and resurrection, so those "in the ark" in Noah’s day passed through death to life, from the old world to a new world on the other side of wrath.
The ark and the Flood were types. Just so, baptism is a type. The baptism of the believer by immersion in water is both a fact experienced by all who submit to the ordinance and a type or picture. The fact is that the candidate for baptism is a saved person, with his natural defilement washed away in the blood of Christ and his "good conscience" quickened by the Holy Spirit. His baptism is a type. It pictures what has happened to him as a believer. In baptism, he takes his stand in water - an element that spells death to him as a natural man. The believer is plunged beneath the water, symbolizing his burial with Christ. He is then raised by the power of another’s arm to live a new life in Christ on resurrection ground. The actual ceremony of baptism was never intended to be anything more than a picture or a type.
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Tipical for you since you don't like what HIS word says and means.
How about reading it for what it says????
1 Peter states the water was NOT for dirt on our skin but for HIS resurrection, if we are saved by the water we will be like HIM in HIS resurrection.
PROVE the bolded, what comes out of you mouth with HIS word or it's a LIE FROM SATAN.
You’re overlooking Peter’s own clarification in the same verse — “not the putting away of the filth of the flesh.” The very line you quote (1 Peter 3:21) explicitly rules out the physical water as the saving agent. The floodwaters didn’t save Noah; they brought judgment. It was being in the ark that saved him — the ark being the antitype of Christ (1 Peter 3:20–21).
Of course it was being in the ark that saved him, everyone who was not in the ark died!!!
Likewise, Romans 6 isn’t teaching that water unites us to Christ’s death, but that faith does — and baptism is the outward confession of that inward reality. Paul and Peter both tie salvation to “the faith of the operation of God” and “the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (Col. 2:12; 1 Peter 3:21), not to the act of immersion itself. Something happens through faith in Christ, not in the water.
If it's NOT in HIS word, it's a lie from Satan.
I guess you don't realize, when we read HIS word and you change it then you know more then JESUS does so you do know everything.
You quote scripture don't don't follow it.
You don't need to correct JESUS has it all under control.
So who is it that is being led astray?
You are the one twisting GOD'S word!!!!!!!
Again, we will find out in heaven whose understanding of GW is least twisted or most correct,
so we might as well place our bets and move on to other topics, striving to be more agreeable,
so as not to cause division in the body of Christ (Rom. 16:17, 1Cor. 1:10, 11:17-19, 12:25, Eph. 4:4).
Are you open to other scriputre?
YOU SAY.
(((Brother, baptism is indeed an act of faith — but Scripture never teaches that the Holy Spirit is given because of the water itself. The Spirit is given through faith in Christ, and baptism follows as a public expression of that faith.
Peter himself clarifies this later:
“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word… Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?” (Acts 10:44–47, KJV)
That passage shows clearly that the Spirit was given before water baptism — not after. Peter saw that faith alone had brought salvation and the indwelling Spirit.))))
SO WHAT THE SPIRIT WAS GIVEN FIRST, THAT IS YOUR FOUNDATION????
If HIS word says what you say it says, what do you do with this?
ACTS 8,
12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
In this case of them being reborn they believed, baptized in JESUS name and days maybe weeks later received the Holy Ghost.
How did they know they didn't receive it????
They did not hear anything come out of their mouth.
So the only question is are you going to use that as your foundation in the future?
Dude, if we don't use HIS WORD AS OUR FOUNDATION TODAY WE HAVE NO FOUNDATION.
WAIT UNTIL WE GET TO HEAVEN, IT WILL BE TO LATE, WE HAVE HIS WORD NOW, TODAY.
We either follow JESUS and HIS WORD.
Or Satan's twisted version of it.
Do you still follow your own worldly wisdom or JESUS?
You pick.
As a Jew in the last days, if one loses faith and turns to the anti-Christ, there is no more room for forgiveness.
I'm open, can you tell me where I shared and thing twisted or untwisted?
Yep I do remember the story with the blind man, and I told you I was sorry.