Essential Christian Doctrines

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KeithAB said:
I agree that Jesus was baptized, and we should follow in His footsteps; but nowhere in the bible does it say that you must be baptized and you will be saved.
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Precious friend, lots of Confusion about this, so, Please prayerfully/Carefully check out:

1) In prophecy/covenants/law for earthly Israel:

"And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized​
with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God​
against themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30 AV)​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

2) In God's Other Context of "The Revelation Of The Mystery", Under Grace For
The Body Of Christ:

One Distinct Baptism is:

The One Unifying Baptism for us today, Under Grace.

Amen.

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The 7 churches in Revelation represent all churches regardless of their denomination, ect but only one was found without fault do you know what they taught that set them apart, and does your church teach that.
2nd John
7.For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8.Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
You cannot even say "God bless you pastor that was a good sermon" If you do you are a partaker in his evil ways, and have gone against God.
 
GRACE_ambassador said:
Precious friend, lots of Confusion about this, so, Please prayerfully/Carefully check out:

1) In prophecy/covenants/law for earthly Israel:

"And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized​
with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God​
against themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30 AV)​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

2) In God's Other Context of "The Revelation Of The Mystery", Under Grace For
The Body Of Christ:

One Distinct Baptism is:

The One Unifying Baptism for us today, Under Grace.

Amen.

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I have been baptized; I did it not because some church told me I had to be baptized; I did it because I love the Lord and followed His example. I have a question for you I got saved onboard ship; they did not have a place to be baptized nor did the Chaplin on board offer it. Had we been attacked and I was killed during that attract would I have been sent to hell for not following some church doctrine that says you are not saved if you are not baptized?
 
GRACE_ambassador said:
Precious friend, please prayerfully/Carefully review if "the seven assemblies in Revelation" are
Jewish synagogue assemblies?:

The Overcomers

Amen.
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What difference does that make if they are Jewish synagogue's or not. Jesus taught in the synagogue Paul taught daily in the temple. It does not matter if you teach false doctrine in the biggest church in town or the smallest church in town, or in the park, or the town square false doctrine is false no matter where it comes from or who it comes from.
 
Revelation 1:9-20
9. I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11. Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 12. And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13. And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15. And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18. I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 19. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 20. The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Then John goes and writes letters to the 7 churches. Why only 7 churches? 7 equals completeness in biblical Numeric's.
 
The Overcomers
pinebeach said:
So Jews cannot be Christians? There is NO difference. :rolleyes: ALL the first believers were what?
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Precious friend, thanks for the great questions; According To Gods's Word Of Life!:

1) God Dealt with His people Israel ( Hebrews and Jews; Gentiles were 'dogs' ) as a nation,
under prophecy / law / covenants = "All first Jewish believers" Were: In Judaism, not​
Christianity, but when "the nation of Israel fell" (Acts 7; Romans 11:11 AV), then:​
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Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

2) God Is Now Dealing With Gentiles (no longer 'dogs') And Jews as individuals, with
[ Correct! ] NO Difference! = "no respect of persons" (Romans 2:11 AV), Because:​
​
"For as ye (Gentiles) in times past have not believed God, yet have Now obtained ​
Mercy through their (Israel's) unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, ​
that through your Mercy they also may obtain Mercy. For God hath Concluded them ​
all (Jews and Gentiles) in unbelief, that He might have Mercy upon all." ​
(Romans 11:30-32 AV)​

Thus, Yes, Jews can Now become Christians with Gentiles, Under God's New Dispensation
of Grace, According To The New "Revelation Of The Mystery" (Romans - Philemon AV),
Because Now God Has:

"And if by Grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise Grace​
is no more Grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more Grace:​
otherwise work is no more work." (Romans 11:6 AV)​

Ending In:
God's Great GRACE Departure! {aka rapture}, "God Removing His ambassadors", After which...

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

God's Judgment Falls On an unbelieving world, When God Re-institutes/Completes His
"Prophetic Program" Concerning Israel and the nations (Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation)

Again, precious friend, thanks for the great questions - hope this helps:

UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

Amen.
 
GRACE_ambassador said:
The Overcomers

Precious friend, thanks for the great questions; According To Gods's Word Of Life!:

1) God Dealt with His people Israel ( Hebrews and Jews; Gentiles were 'dogs' ) as a nation,
under prophecy / law / covenants = "All first Jewish believers" Were: In Judaism, not​
Christianity, but when "the nation of Israel fell" (Acts 7; Romans 11:11 AV), then:​
​
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

2) God Is Now Dealing With Gentiles (no longer 'dogs') And Jews as individuals, with
[ Correct! ] NO Difference! = "no respect of persons" (Romans 2:11 AV), Because:​
​
"For as ye (Gentiles) in times past have not believed God, yet have Now obtained ​
Mercy through their (Israel's) unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, ​
that through your Mercy they also may obtain Mercy. For God hath Concluded them ​
all (Jews and Gentiles) in unbelief, that He might have Mercy upon all." ​
(Romans 11:30-32 AV)​

Thus, Yes, Jews can Now become Christians with Gentiles, Under God's New Dispensation
of Grace, According To The New "Revelation Of The Mystery" (Romans - Philemon AV),
Because Now God Has:

"And if by Grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise Grace​
is no more Grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more Grace:​
otherwise work is no more work." (Romans 11:6 AV)​

Ending In:
God's Great GRACE Departure! {aka rapture}, "God Removing His ambassadors", After which...

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

God's Judgment Falls On an unbelieving world, When God Re-institutes/Completes His
"Prophetic Program" Concerning Israel and the nations (Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation)

Again, precious friend, thanks for the great questions - hope this helps:

UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

Amen.
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So they were not believers in Revelation? That's all I was asking. I know what rightly divided means. I don't think that is what youon.are doing if you think there is someone else beside believers being addressed in the book of Revelation. Are of the belief that God has abandonned Israel?
 
KeithAB said:
Then John goes and writes letters to the 7 churches. Why only 7 churches? 7 equals completeness in biblical Numeric's.
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While certain numbers appear often in Scripture, their meaning is never stated in Scripture. Any meaning they may have is therefore speculative and any conclusions drawn on that basis should be held lightly.

Given that and the very wide range of other issues local churches have faced even recently, let alone over the past 2000 years, leads me to reject the conclusion that these seven “represent” anything.
 
If one day with the Lord is not as 1000 years with man; Let me ask a question after you read this.
Genesis 2 15. And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Why did Adam not die as God said he would if he ate the fruit of the tree of good and evil.
Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4. And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5. And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
This brings up a dilemma either 1 day with the Lord is as 1000 years is to man or what you have been taught is wrong or worse, yet the bible is not true. Option 3 is not really an option. We know that God's word is truth. So, it has to be in the teaching you are getting. If there is another answer, please let me know.
 
Dino246 said:
While certain numbers appear often in Scripture, their meaning is never stated in Scripture. Any meaning they may have is therefore speculative and any conclusions drawn on that basis should be held lightly.

Given that and the very wide range of other issues local churches have faced even recently, let alone over the past 2000 years, leads me to reject the conclusion that these seven “represent” anything.
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If they do not represent anything why would God have put them in the bible to start with? Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein; for the time is at hand. Then God ends with these words.

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. {THE END.}
 
KeithAB said:
If they do not represent anything why would God have put them in the bible to start with? Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein; for the time is at hand. Then God ends with these words.

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. {THE END.}
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There's a difference between saying something and representing something. These prophecies say something to each of the churches, and by extension, to each of us, but that doesn't mean the churches or the words to them represent anything that is not overtly stated.
 
Dino246 said:
While certain numbers appear often in Scripture, their meaning is never stated in Scripture. Any meaning they may have is therefore speculative and any conclusions drawn on that basis should be held lightly.

Given that and the very wide range of other issues local churches have faced even recently, let alone over the past 2000 years, leads me to reject the conclusion that these seven “represent” anything.
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The 7 churches of Revelation: God had a reason for putting them in the bible and placing them where He did. He had a reason for using 7 of them. why not 6 why not 8 but He uses 7. The real question is do you know what set the 1 church that God found no fault with their teaching apart from the others? Are you in a church that teaches what that is? I am not trying to be heavy handed, or ask trick questions, I am just trying to get to the truth. I may be off base, but it will take proof from Gods word to change my thanking. I do enjoy the discussions.
 
There seams to be a misunderstand, or something because I keep seeing the statement that these people written about in the New Testament were Jews and they were going to the synagogue; I do not understand why that should be a problem. The apostles were Jews, Jesus in the flesh was a Jew. Why should that even matter, it is the teaching of the word that matters.
 
KeithAB said:
The 7 churches of Revelation: God had a reason for putting them in the bible and placing them where He did. He had a reason for using 7 of them. why not 6 why not 8 but He uses 7. The real question is do you know what set the 1 church that God found no fault with their teaching apart from the others? Are you in a church that teaches what that is? I am not trying to be heavy handed, or ask trick questions, I am just trying to get to the truth. I may be off base, but it will take proof from Gods word to change my thanking. I do enjoy the discussions.
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The anomalous church was suffering persecution. Am I in a church that teaches that? Why should it matter? We are each responsible for learning and God will not excuse us for the church we attend.
 
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