No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[Jordon]

OH BOY ____NOW I KNOW YOUR NOT SAVED .

oh boy you can't misuse Gods sovereign will this way.

Gods knows who are his. When someone writes a thought or a belief down down you should at least give a brother time to explain before declaring a brother unsaved.


To declare a brother unsaved is to call a brother racca you know the consequence for that

He never said the Jews are no longer saved did he ?

 

[rogerg]

OH BOY ____NOW I KNOW YOUR NOT SAVED _____the Jews are still God's Chosen and He does honor His Covenant with His Chosen Nation

The true spiritual Church are now the people of God, not the nation of Israel. The Church became spiritual Israel and are those who are numbered by the 144,000 in the book of the Revelation, not national Israel.
God's Old Covenant with the nation of Israel was contingent upon their not committing spiritual fornication in the worshipping of other gods, which Israel committed even after repeated warnings by God, therefore, God divorced them. His covenant (the Old Covenant) with the nation of Israel was not eternal but conformance/performance based. The New Covenant (NC), on the other hand, is eternal because it contains no provision for divorce - it is effectuated and maintained solely by Christ and His offering, not by man. Man is only its recipient.

[Jer 3:8 KJV]

8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

[Hos 1:9 KJV] 9 Then said [God], Call his name Loammi: for ye [are] not my people, and I will not be your [God].

[1Pe 2:9-10 KJV]
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

 

[lrs68]

Has nothing to do with race per say, but human depravity and God's righteous judgement on it, not because of ethnicity

How do you get ethnicity from my post?

 

[brightfame52]

How do you get ethnicity from my post?

You should already know. Think

 

[studentoftheword]

The true spiritual Church are now the people of God, not the nation of Israel. The Church became spiritual Israel and are those who are numbered by the 144,000 in the book of the Revelation, not national Israel.

This is way beyond your pay Grade -to understand --you have no understanding about Scripture at all ----Period

 

[kqr_anointed]

oh boy you can't misuse Gods sovereign will this way.

Gods knows who are his. When someone writes a thought or a belief down down you should at least give a brother time to explain before declaring a brother unsaved.


To declare a brother unsaved is to call a brother racca you know the consequence for that

He never said the Jews are no longer saved did he ?

i know how

 

[Doll]

OH BOY ____NOW I KNOW YOUR NOT SAVED _____the Jews are still God's Chosen and He does honor His Covenant with His Chosen Nation ----He Marks the 12 Tribe of Israel who are going to Preach His Gospel to all the Nations during the 7 year Tribulation and the Jews in the end all Get saved ------Period --Jesus NEVER __NEVER Abandoned His Chosen Nation ------NEVER ---

I say --------Nothing happen to start the 7 Year Tribulation until God Seals His Jewish Nation 144000 --they are sealed and saved -----

Better read Revelation ----


144,000 Sealed
7 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.

2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:

3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”

4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

I think what you stated about their state of Salvation is against the rules here.

Yes,there are obvious posers on this site. However, I don't think you're allowed to make that kind of statement.
"OH BOY ____NOW I KNOW YOUR NOT SAVED"

 

[studentoftheword]

Gods knows who are his.

you are right there --God also gives you the ability through the Scripture to tell if people are His or not -and what is being posted is going is against scripture ------he said that the Jews are no longer God's chosen and that goes against scripture ----Period

 

[rogerg]

This is way beyond your pay Grade -to understand --you have no understanding about Scripture at all ----Period

I posted scripture to support my claims. You just don't/can't believe what they say and that Christ is Savior but instead that people are saved by lineage or ethnicity which is in direct opposition to scripture - you obviously don't even understand what it means that He is the Savior. Therefore, you are the one who lacks discernment about scripture and remain trapped in/by the Old Covenant. When/if you can grasp the New Covenant, let me know and we can discuss further then. If you need help with that, let me know.

 

[Cameron143]

you are right there --God also gives you the ability through the Scripture to tell if people are His or not -and what is being posted is going is against scripture ------he said that the Jews are no longer God's chosen and that goes against scripture ----Period

Under what covenant?

 

[studentoftheword]

Under what covenant?

Under what Covenant is what -----

 

[studentoftheword]

I posted scripture to support my claims.

You posted nothing of the kind ---you said that the Jews are no longer God's Chosen people and that is a lie ----Period PLUS ---

 

[rogerg]

You posted nothing of the kind ---you said that the Jews are no longer God's Chosen people and that is a lie ----Period PLUS ---

If the nation of Israel no longer comprises His chosen people (and they don't), then those who do become saved aren't saved because they are of the nation of Israel, but rather because they are the elect of Christ - they are of spiritual Israel - the Israel of the New Covenant. Two Israels are mentioned in scripture: the Israel of this world - the nation of Israel - which God divorced, and eternal spiritual Israel - the Israel of Christ. All those who are of spiritual Israel, will, and must, become saved, because of Christ, none can be overlooked, missed or bypassed. Not so for those of the nation of Israel. Some Jews will be saved out of it, just as some out of all nations will be saved, but they are saved because they are of those chosen by God to it and placed under Christ, and not because of lineage. Read 1 Peter 2:9 - 10 again closely. It demonstrates that only the elect/chosen have God's mercy and are the new people of God. Those of nation of Israel - just because they are of the nation of Israel - are not His people.

[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[Jordon]

you are right there --God also gives you the ability through the Scripture to tell if people are His or not -and what is being posted is going is against scripture ------he said that the Jews are no longer God's chosen and that goes against scripture ----Period

The lords with is to save, yours is to commit your brother to hell,

Further more Gods sovereign will is known only in him period

 

[LeeLoving]

I don't understand the resistance to the statement that the Father must draw someone to the Son in order for them to come to him, Jesus said it with his own words. Maybe I am misreading people's sentiments though.

 

[Cameron143]

Under what Covenant is what -----

What covenant are Jews under?

 

[studentoftheword]

What covenant are Jews under?

The Jews are under the Covenant of Abraham still today -------you need to do your research ----

So now your going to post back that this is not true ----and say ------neither sources posted are Right ----Got Question is an unreliable Source and so is Google ---------Why -- because you don't want to believe the Truth ------

--So whatever you want to believe is all up to you but the Jews remain under the Abrahamic Covenant to this day ---this Covenant is UNCONDITIONAL --do your research -----

---But God Honors His Covenant to His Chosen Nation in the 7 year tribulation and saves His Chosen Nation -----the Jews come to Christ -----Folks in the end -----

People also ask

Is the Abrahamic covenant still relevant today?


God kept His word to Abraham—Isaac was born and generations later the ultimate son of Abraham, the Messiah, was also born just as promised.

The Abrahamic covenant passed to Isaac and Jacob (Israel), to each successive generation and remains today, for it is an eternal covenant based on God's fidelity, not man's.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Israel-still-chosen-people.html
Is Israel still God’s chosen people?

Israel Is Still God’s People: The Covenants

God’s covenant with Abraham promised Abraham three things: a land, a posterity, and a blessing (Genesis 12:1–3). Through Abraham’s seed, the whole world would be blessed. In Genesis 13:15, God highlights the enduring nature of this covenant: “All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever” (emphasis added). Importantly, the covenant did not depend on Abraham’s power to keep it. In fact, Abraham was not even conscious when God ratified the covenant by Himself (Genesis 15). Since God alone took the responsibility of blessing Abraham’s seed, the covenant was unconditional.

God reaffirmed the covenant with Abraham’s son Isaac (Genesis 21:12; 26:3–4), and with Isaac’s son Jacob (Genesis 28:14–15). From then on, every time God referred to Himself as “the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,” that covenant was remembered. God chose to have a perpetual relationship with Abraham’s descendants from generation to generation.

The covenant God made with David (and with Solomon) was likewise a unilateral, unconditional promise. That covenant assured David that God would “provide a place for my people Israel” where they will “no longer be disturbed” (2 Samuel 7:10). God would also establish a “house” and a “kingdom” for David (verses 11–12). And then God revealed the enduring nature of this covenant: “Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever” (verse 16, emphasis added).

From the beginning, Israel has had a unique relationship with God. Both the Abrahamic Covenant and the Davidic Covenant detail the special blessings God gave Israel, and both covenants are said to last forever.

 

[Ceph]

The Jews are under the Covenant of Abraham still today -------you need to do your research ----

So now your going to post back that this is not true ----and say ------neither sources posted are Right ----Got Question is an unreliable Source and so is Google ---------Why -- because you don't want to believe the Truth ------

--So whatever you want to believe is all up to you but the Jews remain under the Abrahamic Covenant to this day ---this Covenant is UNCONDITIONAL --do your research -----

---But God Honors His Covenant to His Chosen Nation in the 7 year tribulation and saves His Chosen Nation -----the Jews come to Christ -----Folks in the end -----

People also ask

Is the Abrahamic covenant still relevant today?


God kept His word to Abraham—Isaac was born and generations later the ultimate son of Abraham, the Messiah, was also born just as promised.

The Abrahamic covenant passed to Isaac and Jacob (Israel), to each successive generation and remains today, for it is an eternal covenant based on God's fidelity, not man's.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Israel-still-chosen-people.html
Is Israel still God’s chosen people?

Israel Is Still God’s People: The Covenants

God’s covenant with Abraham promised Abraham three things: a land, a posterity, and a blessing (Genesis 12:1–3). Through Abraham’s seed, the whole world would be blessed. In Genesis 13:15, God highlights the enduring nature of this covenant: “All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever” (emphasis added). Importantly, the covenant did not depend on Abraham’s power to keep it. In fact, Abraham was not even conscious when God ratified the covenant by Himself (Genesis 15). Since God alone took the responsibility of blessing Abraham’s seed, the covenant was unconditional.

God reaffirmed the covenant with Abraham’s son Isaac (Genesis 21:12; 26:3–4), and with Isaac’s son Jacob (Genesis 28:14–15). From then on, every time God referred to Himself as “the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,” that covenant was remembered. God chose to have a perpetual relationship with Abraham’s descendants from generation to generation.

The covenant God made with David (and with Solomon) was likewise a unilateral, unconditional promise. That covenant assured David that God would “provide a place for my people Israel” where they will “no longer be disturbed” (2 Samuel 7:10). God would also establish a “house” and a “kingdom” for David (verses 11–12). And then God revealed the enduring nature of this covenant: “Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever” (verse 16, emphasis added).

From the beginning, Israel has had a unique relationship with God. Both the Abrahamic Covenant and the Davidic Covenant detail the special blessings God gave Israel, and both covenants are said to last forever.

Those promises pertain to those Jews who were carried away and scattered throughout the nations.
Jeremiah 24—
The LORD showed me, and behold, two baskets of figs were set before the LORD’s temple, after Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim, king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the craftsmen and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon. One basket had very good figs, like the figs that are first-ripe; and the other basket had very bad figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.
Then the LORD asked me, “What do you see, Jeremiah?”
I said, “Figs. The good figs are very good, and the bad are very bad, so bad that they can’t be eaten.”
The LORD’s word came to me, saying, “The LORD, the God of Israel says: ‘Like these good figs, so I will regard the captives of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans, as good. For I will set my eyes on them for good, and I will bring them again to this land. I will build them, and not pull them down. I will plant them, and not pluck them up. I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the LORD. They will be my people, and I will be their God; for they will return to me with their whole heart.
“ ‘As the bad figs, which can’t be eaten, they are so bad,’ surely the LORD says, ‘So I will give up Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the remnant of Jerusalem who remain in this land, and those who dwell in the land of Egypt. I will even give them up to be tossed back and forth among all the kingdoms of the earth for evil, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places where I will drive them. I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence among them, until they are consumed from off the land that I gave to them and to their fathers.’ ”

The 'jews' who extol their star of ramphan and engage in all sorts of conspiracies and violence from physical Jerusalem at the present fit the bad figs description pretty well.
It's apparent that the good figs haven't been given back their land yet, judging by the description their blessing would produce from Ezekiel 36 and other prophecies about their return.

Again, the Good figs accepted Jesus Christ and were scattered from Jerusalem, preacing the Gospel word of God throughout all the nations.

 

[GWH]

I don't understand the resistance to the statement that the Father must draw someone to the Son in order for them to come to him, Jesus said it with his own words. Maybe I am misreading people's sentiments though.

What you might be sensing is that the tulipists are reluctant to affirm the verse (John 12:32), because it supports the view
that God draws all sinners, yet they agree that not all are saved, ergo the unsaved must exercise MFW to resist God's drawing.

 

[lrs68]

As a Jew myself I know outside of the Joel latter rain prophecies and the only remaining Biblical prophecies pertaining to the Tribulation we only have a handful left to fulfill.

That means being so close to the Tribulation period that the CURRENT Jews and next generation in Israel will be the Jews in Revelation that the 144,000, the 12 Tribes, those who will witness the antichrist.

So for someone to claim the current inhabitants of Jerusalem and Israel are not the CHOSEN is kind of stupid.