Alcohol Damages Health

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Low doses is the


Low doses is the key.
When we use tinctures/ extracts the alcohol content is usually under a teaspoon, normally 20 ml.
The liver has to process that and many other things. However we can easily burden it and bring about fatty liver over time with continuous use. It decreases nutrients in the diet as well.

Alcoholics don't only suffer from the toxic overload, but also from malnourishment. I used a protocol for alcoholic clients to turn off the craving. It included supplementation.
alcoholics will suffer from malnourishment through not eating enough healthy food,

But there is another reason, alcoholics can damage the lining of there gut including the villi, those are like little micro organisms in the gut that absorb nutrients from foods such as minerals etc, but is it the ethanol type of alcohol or is it both that causes it ?

But is malnutrition common still in low dose consumers ?
Do you have any experience on people just having a couple of glasses wine each day suffering liver damage, or what about cirrhosis to liver,
Fatty liver is that diffacuit to pinpoint directly to alcohol ?
 
How about abstaining for a period of time?

If the person was an alcoholic or addicted to other substances, it's likely they will relapse into the same addiction if they use it again.

I knew an alcoholic who never drank a lot at once, but he was addicted to the kind of drinking some have alluded to. He only drank a little bit, but frequently.
It was a literal miracle that his life was spared. He went many years without drinking. Then his acquaintance bought him a 6 or 12 pack of imports as a Christmas gift. He drank one perhaps every couple months.....complete moderation. That was enough to send him into a downward spiral that nearly killed him several more times. We are talking organ failure, tachycardia, coma for a month. The same thing happens with prescription drugs all the time.
 
According to the study you posted, it's not just physical damage -

"Mental health hazards include increased levels of depression, anxiety, and other mood disorders. Overall well-being can also be impacted by excessive screen time, particularly when it comes to social relationships and cognitive development."

Wow! Sounds a lot like alcoholism. Even more reason to help @HigherGospel out.

The devil's radiation box.
 
alcoholics will suffer from malnourishment through not eating enough healthy food,

But there is another reason, alcoholics can damage the lining of there gut including the villi, those are like little micro organisms in the gut that absorb nutrients from foods such as minerals etc, but is it the ethanol type of alcohol or is it both that causes it ?

But is malnutrition common still in low dose consumers ?
Do you have any experience on people just having a couple of glasses wine each day suffering liver damage, or what about cirrhosis to liver,
Fatty liver is that diffacuit to pinpoint directly to alcohol ?

Sounds more like mal-absorption of science/ medicine.
If the person was an alcoholic or addicted to other substances, it's likely they will relapse into the same addiction if they use it again.

I knew an alcoholic who never drank a lot at once, but he was addicted to the kind of drinking some have alluded to. He only drank a little bit, but frequently.
It was a literal miracle that his life was spared. He went many years without drinking. Then his acquaintance bought him a 6 or 12 pack of imports as a Christmas gift. He drank one perhaps every couple months.....complete moderation. That was enough to send him into a downward spiral that nearly killed him several more times. We are talking organ failure, tachycardia, coma for a month. The same thing happens with prescription drugs all the time.

Aah, so they should personally abstain! We should all know ourselves.
However this can also happen to people with certain foods…… Should we all stay away from those foods?

Both food and drink are on the same plain of logic.
 
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alcoholics will suffer from malnourishment through not eating enough healthy food,
That's often the case in my observations too. This is especially true of the homeless.

But there is another reason, alcoholics can damage the lining of there gut including the villi, those are like little micro organisms in the gut that absorb nutrients from foods such as minerals etc, but is it the ethanol type of alcohol or is it both that causes it ?

That's a great point. Few are aware of that. The world expert on the topic of grain/ gluten intolerance is Dr. Peter Osborne .<
He taught classes on the parallels of alcoholism and gluten damage to the intestines. He shows proof of celiac and related conditions from grain containing beverages and foods. Many people even have delayed reactions to beer.

The hops and the alcohol do a double whammy on the intestines and liver.

But is malnutrition common still in low dose consumers ?
Do you have any experience on people just having a couple of glasses wine each day suffering liver damage, or what about cirrhosis to liver,
Fatty liver is that difficult to pinpoint directly to alcohol ?

I can't prove that occasional use of alcoholic beverages cause long term harm. A consultation would help starting with a discovery session. The frequency of use is the issue as are genetics, diet and environmental factors. Fatty liver is the common beginning of overall health decline that affects all other organs.
I just wouldn't drink wine for health benefits.
If you want to go with something healthy for the antioxidants, you'll get a lot more for your money with antioxidant rich foods like wild blueberries and grapes with seeds and all. I eat concord grapes this time of year that have a sweet and sour flavor. The skin and seeds are rich in polyphenols, anthocyanins, resveratrol, which are powerful antioxidants. To get that benefit from wine, you'd need to drink yourself under the table and not be getting as much as you would from a couple handfuls of the fruit.

We've preserved no fermented grape juice concentrate in glass canning jars. It's better than store bought, which is more like sugar water. It can be made any way a person wants. Fresh is best, but the season is short. Grapes can a frozen too, but I digress.
 
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@HealthAndHappiness ok so he linked the damage to the microorganism in the gut mainly to the gluten found in alcoholic drinks and not the alcohol itself, the gluten doesn't cause permanent damage tho, it's just temporary isn't it ? and the villi bounce back once you stop gluten.

So malnutrition this way would be mainly down to a wheat or gluten intolerance or allergy.

Ok so then when it comes to alcohol only causing malnutrition are you basing that of alcoholics not eating enough healthy food. Or is there another reason.
 
And we wonder why so many are driven away from the love of Christ by doctrines of religion and self-righteousness? :)(y):unsure::coffee:
blessings

Especially when they see the hypocrisy of what is being taught vs what God states in Scripture! Yeah!
 
So I take it your a registered dietician @HealthAndHappiness then and not a doctor as such, so in your experience what would you consider an alcoholic how much drink a day would be considered an a alcoholic
 
One would have to twist scripture and insert into scripture things it does not say in their attempts to validate and justify putting toxic poison in their body that has been proven to be damaging to the body.

But, the fake "christians" these days specialize in accepting the wisdom of men as though it were the wisdom of the Lord so this is par for course and it's why some much false doctrine is being taught in virtually all churches now.






It's a proven fact that alcohol damages the human body....

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

This is also why "christians" that kill themselves go to hell and not to Heaven.






They are already condemned if they refuse to REPENT ans ask the Lord to forgive them for the sin of being a drunkard and then actually stop drinking the booze.

Being an alcoholic is not a disease.... it's sin!





I didn't say that.... medical science has PROOF that even small amounts of alcohol damages the body.
There is documented evidence now that proves this.

As already mentioned, everyone used to think smoking cigarettes was harmless until they started studying it and it was proven that even a few puffs from a cigarette damages the body.... so those that didn't know smoking was bad for them had no further excuse being faced with the FACT that it's harmful to your health

Now it's been proven that ANY of alcohol is harmful to your health... so those that continue to partake are willingly and knowingly damaging their body which is sinful behavior.

Real Christians understand that the body belongs to the Lord but the fake "christians" still think they belong to themselves because they have not been crucified with the Lord and raised up with Him unto newness of life.... and if they had previously they are blacksliders who have turned away from the Lord to live after the pleasures of the flesh once again.





Yep, the booze drinker like to claim they only rink in "moderation" but they're all getting buzzed (drunk) but they aren't honest enough to admit it as they are being inspired by devils to advocate for continuing to drink the booze.

Intoxication is what the devil wants people to partake in as it enables his demons to enter in to these people so bring forth disgusting sinful thoughts that quickly get turned in to disgusting sinful actions






The fruit of the vine that is not fermented... has many health benefits.

Alcohol has ZERO health benefits and has been proven to damage the body.





This is why I sit far away from my computer screen and I have a special cover over it that blocks harmful light to protect my eyes

The Lord brought to my attention years ago and taught me how to not have my eyes damaged... so will you be taking steps to protect your eyes or will you be throwing your computer in the trash?






You can't prove from scripture that Jesus ever drank booze.

Keep in mind, it was impossible for booze to be served as the Last Supper.

The Mosaic Law required that all things associated with fermentation - baked
goods, yeast, AND GRAPE JUICE THAT HAD TURNED INTO BOOZE had to be removed from
their midst in preparation for the Passover, on which the Last Supper fell -

Because the sun had set by the time they were eating and drinking which means
Thursday was over and Friday had come. Any Christian worth his salt knows Jesus
was taken into custody after the Last Supper, spent the night, the morning, and
afternoon in jail, before covetous Jew farce trials, and then was crucified before
the sun set and Friday would turn into Sabbath.




They took a vow to NEVER drink the booze, ever.... not just while on duty






Exactly.... the false teachers go around claiming Jesus was teaching law to the Jews and Christians should ignore the teachings of Jesus.... except they claim Jesus was a drunk so they too should be drunks.

Good point.
Except I didn't twist scripture it plainely says that Timothy was to take a little wine for his stomach care to try again?
 
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@HealthAndHappiness ok so he linked the damage to the microorganism in the gut mainly to the gluten found in alcoholic drinks and not the alcohol itself, the gluten doesn't cause permanent damage tho, it's just temporary isn't it ? and the villi bounce back once you stop gluten.

So malnutrition this way would be mainly down to a wheat or gluten intolerance or allergy.

Ok so then when it comes to alcohol only causing malnutrition are you basing that of alcoholics not eating enough healthy food. Or is there another reason.

I didn't say that. I simply added another component to what I explained in other posts. Even gluten can be a culprit. You showed interest in learning more, so I took time from my day to freely answer questions.

Have a good evening
 
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I didn't say that. I simply added another component to what I explained in other posts. Even gluten can be a culprit. You showed interest in learning more, so I took time from my day to freely answer questions.

Have a good evening
I'm still interested to learn, from your knowledge, maybe my questions are making you feel like I'm questioning you, no I'm not, so I'm not an expert in this field, I'm not that old either lol. But I have read up a lot on stuff. I spend a lot time reading, but I'm still young as well 32 soon, I was probably only saved 10 years ago well thats the time I really started to change.
So even if you was a dietician it's ok to not know all the answers of medical questions. And different dieticians and doctors can give different answers, I find natural cures to be better for a lot of things.

.health is so important to us all.
But I'm just trying to figure out stuff really.
 
So here's what I know @HealthAndHappiness alcohol can damage the lining of the stomach, and that's just the alcohol itself, but is it alcohol or the ethanol alcohol type ? , then when the alcohol damages the stomach it is more prone to getting ulcers, and the villi being damaged, the magic beautiful villi

Now to The liver being damaged when it comes to digesting alcohol in the liver, it can produce some nasty toxins that can damage the liver to through the digesting process, but also whilst the liver is busy digesting alcohol it struggle to digest other foods properly so you get a double whammy of toxins, eventually the toxins can build up everywhere in the body.

So but is it alcohol that hasn't fully fermented that has no ethanol that can do this to

But alcohol that has fully fermented has ethanol,

So is it just alcohol of the ethanol type, that cause the most danger or is it both.

you would have to say that low amounts of alcohol found in foods on food shelves must be safe ? If it's both

And low amounts of alcohol ethanol must be safe to if they both have the same effect, ?

So do you have any knowledge of what I'm asking ?
 
I'm still interested to learn, from your knowledge, maybe my questions are making you feel like I'm questioning you, no I'm not, so I'm not an expert in this field, I'm not that old either lol. But I have read up a lot on stuff. I spend a lot time reading, but I'm still young as well 32 soon, I was probably only saved 10 years ago well thats the time I really started to change.
So even if you was a dietician it's ok to not know all the answers of medical questions. And different dieticians and doctors can give different answers, I find natural cures to be better for a lot of things.

.health is so important to us all.
But I'm just trying to figure out stuff really.


No worries friend.
I answer questions all the time.
I was just pressed for time. I have some major stressors and just got some bad news today from someone unrelated to the forum.

I'm not a physician.
I wasn't judging anybody here as being an alcoholic either.
It was just relatable experience.
Most people with addictions are ashamed and will start in denial. They sound just like any of us here. Some are physicians, lawyers, college students, you name it. One of my classmates in 7th grade used to bring grain alcohol mixed in juice to lunch. I'm talking to adults here, I assume, who make their own decisions.

I'm glad that you are free of addiction and looking for ways to follow the Lord in this often neglected area.

31Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
I Corinthians 10


I need to get some sleep so winding down now.
Good night.
 
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Curious why this is in Bible Discussion? I guess the question is “What does the Bible say about drinking alcohol?” 🙄
 
No worries friend.
I answer questions all the time.
I was just pressed for time. I have some major stressors and just got some bad news today from someone unrelated to the forum.

I'm not a physician.
I wasn't judging anybody here as being an alcoholic either.
It was just relatable experience.
Most people with addictions are ashamed and will start in denial. They sound just like any of us here. Some are physicians, lawyers, college students, you name it. One of my classmates in 7th grade used to bring grain alcohol mixed in juice to lunch. I'm talking to adults here, I assume, who make their own decisions.

I'm glad that you are free of addiction and looking for ways to follow the Lord in this often neglected area.

31Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
I Corinthians 10


I need to get some sleep so winding down now.
Good night.
ok well what I know is that all alcohol contains ethanol, even the food on the shelves. Like bread yogurt vinegar banana apple juice and much more.

Some of those food labels say they have alcohol but not ethanol, where some food labels list both alcohol and ethanol.

It gets confusing at this point , as I believe all alcohol is the same it all contains ethanol, whether it's in alcoholic drinks or food alcohol I believe is all the same, so my only visible explanation is the food labels don't have to specify ethanol on the label.
 
So my understanding that if the health food authorities have determined there is a safe amount of alcohol a person can consume,, ie where the liver can safely process alcohol in foods ie when the liver digests alcohol it releases toxins,,

Then when the medical health authority say its recommended that both women and males don't consume no more than 14 units of alcohol a week, which roughly accounts to 10 shots of whiskey a week or 10 small glasses of wine a week

Then the medical authorities must be saying the liver can easily process 14 units of alcohol a week without suffering any toxin overload as the liver digests alcohol.
 
Bottom line is that people will call something bad that God calls good and has blessed us with….maybe for the sake of men’s traditions.

-"He causes the grass to grow for the cattle, and vegetation for the service of man, that he may bring forth food from the earth, and wine that makes glad the heart of man, oil to make his face shine, and bread which strengthens man’s heart."
Psalms 104:14-15 NKJV

-"for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."
Romans 14:17 NKJV
 
In another thread there are drunks advocating for drinking the booze claiming it's healthy... but recent medical studies are now proving that NO amount of alcohol is healthy for one's body

it's known medical fact that alcohol is harmful to your health and Christians
have been bought with a price they are not their own and are called to glorify
God in their bodies (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) so drinking alcohol is sinful behavior.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;
for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Christians have no right to abuse their body by ingesting alcohol.
Those that don't take their relationship with the Lord seriously
would be the ones drinking booze while claiming to be Christians.



Medical STUDY - No Safe Level of Alcohol
Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle Washington

Paris (AFP) - Even an occasional glass of wine or beer increases the risk of health problems and dying, according to a major study on drinking in 195 nations that attributes 2.8 million premature deaths worldwide each year to booze.

"There is no safe level of alcohol," said Max Griswold, a researcher at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle, Washington and lead author for a consortium of more than 500 experts.

Despite recent research showing that light-to-moderate drinking reduces heart disease, the new study found that alcohol use is more likely than not to do harm.

"The protective effect of alcohol was offset by the risks," Griswold told AFP in summarising the results, published in medical journal The Lancet on Friday.

"Overall, the health risks associated with alcohol rose in line with the amount consumed each day."

Compared to abstinence, imbibing one "standard drink" -- 10 grammes of alcohol, equivalent to a small beer, glass of wine or shot of spirits -- per day, for example, ups the odds of developing at least one of two dozen health problems by about half-a-percent, the researchers reported.

Looked at one way, that seems like a small increment: 914 out of 100,000 teetotallers will encounter those problems, compared to 918 people who imbibe seven times per week.

"But at the global level, that additional risk of 0.5 percent among (once-a-day) drinkers corresponds to about 100,000 additional deaths each year," said senior author Emmanuela Gakidou, a professor at the University of Washington and a director at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation.

- 'Less is better, none is best' -

"Those are excess deaths, in other words, that could be avoided," she told AFP.

The risk climbs in a steep "J-curve", the study found.

An average of two drinks per day, for example, translated into a 7.0 percent hike in disease and injury compared to those who opt for abstinence.

With five "units" of alcohol per day, the likelihood of serious consequences jumps by 37 percent.

The "less is better, none is best" finding jibes with the World Health Organization's long-standing position, but is at odds with many national guidelines, especially in the developed world.

Britain's health authority, for example, suggests not exceeding 14 drinks per week "to keep health risks from alcohol to a low level".

"There is always a lag between the publication of new evidence and the modification and adoption of revised guidelines," said Gakidou, who admitted to being an "occasional drinker" herself.

"The evidence shows what the evidence shows, and I -- like 2.4 billion other people on the planet that also consume alcohol -- need to take it seriously."

Overall, drinking was the seventh leading risk factor for premature death and disease in 2016, accounting for just over two percent of deaths in women and nearly seven percent in men.

The top six killers are high blood pressure, smoking, low-birth weight and premature delivery, high blood sugar (diabetes), obesity and pollution.

But in the 15-49 age bracket, alcohol emerged as the most lethal factor, responsible for more than 12 percent of deaths among men, the study found.

- The 95 percent club -

The main causes of alcohol-related deaths in this age group were tuberculosis, road injuries and "self-harm", mainly suicide.

King's College London professor Robyn Burton, who did not take part in the study, described it as "the most comprehensive estimate of the global burden of alcohol use to date."

The examination of impacts drew from more than 600 earlier studies, while a country-by-country tally of prevalence -- the percentage of men and women who drink, and how much they consume -- drew from another 700.

Both were grounded in new methods that compensated for the shortcomings of earlier efforts.

Among men, drinking alcohol in 2016 was most widespread in Denmark (97 percent), along with Norway, Argentina, Germany, and Poland (94 percent).

In Asia, South Korean men took the lead, with 91 percent hitting the bottle at least once in a while.

Among women, Danes also ranked first (95 percent), followed by Norway (91 percent), Germany and Argentina (90 percent), and New Zealand (89 percent).

The biggest drinkers, however, were found elsewhere.

Men in Romania who partake knocked back a top-scoring eight drinks a day on average, with Portugal, Luxembourg, Lithuania and Ukraine just behind at seven "units" per day.

Ukranian women who drink were in a league of their own, putting away more than four glasses or shots every 24 hours, followed by Andorra, Luxembourg, Belarus, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland and Britain, all averaging about three per day.

Source - https://www.yahoo.com/news/zero-tolerance-no-safe-level-alcohol-study-says-224245668.html

Those who eat must not despise those who abstain, and those who abstain must not pass judgment on those who eat; for God has welcomed them. Who are you to pass judgment on servants of another? It is before their own lord that they stand or fall. And they will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make them stand. (Rom 14:3-4)

The faith that you have, have as your own conviction before God. Blessed are those who have no reason to condemn themselves because of what they approve. But those who have doubts are condemned if they eat, because they do not act from faith; for whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. (Rom 14:22-23)

No longer drink only water, but take a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments. (1Tim 5:23)

Give strong drink to the despairing and wine to the embittered of heart; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their trouble no more. (Prov 31:6-7)

From your lofty abode you water the mountains; the earth is satisfied with the fruit of your work. You cause the grass to grow for the cattle, and plants for people to use, to bring forth food from the earth, and wine to gladden the human heart, oil to make the face shine, and bread to strengthen the human heart. (Ps 104:13-15)

Solomon gives the caution about excess and abuse of alcohol:

Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? Who hath complaining? who hath wounds without cause? Who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; They that go to seek out mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, When it sparkleth in the cup, When it goeth down smoothly: At the last it biteth like a serpent, And stingeth like an adder. Thine eyes shall behold strange things, And thy heart shall utter perverse things. Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, Or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not hurt; They have beaten me, and I felt it not: When shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. (Prov 23:29-35)
 
ok well what I know is that all alcohol contains ethanol, even the food on the shelves. Like bread yogurt vinegar banana apple juice and much more.

Some of those food labels say they have alcohol but not ethanol, where some food labels list both alcohol and ethanol.

It gets confusing at this point , as I believe all alcohol is the same it all contains ethanol, whether it's in alcoholic drinks or food alcohol I believe is all the same, so my only visible explanation is the food labels don't have to specify ethanol on the label.


Propylene glycol is a common alcohol added to juices and processed American food products. It can also damage the liver. It sounds like your country uses ethanol.

I don't get into biochemistry on the forum, but will provide a practical application you might find helpful.
Carbs are converted by yeast into alcohol. Then they are converted to fat. People get that distended beer belly as the result of a fatty liver. As liver function declines, the other organs suffer.

Take away is this:
1. Be mindful of carb intake Under (40% is good for most)
a. Starches
b. Beverages
c. Fruit
2. To improve IF not in a compromised condition, make consistent small easy changes.
That way you won't feel overwhelmed and give up as easily. Set goals for weekly grocery shopping and write it on the planner/ calendar and list.
Changing beverage choices to quality water is the best start.
The one I use is the best investment I've ever made. I received the best benefits for the least money.
 
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