Alcohol Damages Health

[TruthDefender]

Is wine a mocker?

Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Yes for drunkards, intoxicated with such recklessness.

Again:

-"He causes the grass to grow for the cattle, and vegetation for the service of man, that he may bring forth food from the earth, and wine that makes glad the heart of man, oil to make his face shine, and bread which strengthens man’s heart."
Psalms 104:14-15 NKJV

MEDICINAL

-"No longer drink only water, but use a little winefor your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities."
I Timothy 5:23 NKJV

 

[HigherGospel]

Well the thing is I proved scripture for my stance

One would have to twist scripture and insert into scripture things it does not say in their attempts to validate and justify putting toxic poison in their body that has been proven to be damaging to the body.

But, the fake "christians" these days specialize in accepting the wisdom of men as though it were the wisdom of the Lord so this is par for course and it's why some much false doctrine is being taught in virtually all churches now.

Enough people have already posted the evidence that alcohol is not forbidden

It's a proven fact that alcohol damages the human body....

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

This is also why "christians" that kill themselves go to hell and not to Heaven.

Do you think condemning alcoholics is going to make them better

They are already condemned if they refuse to REPENT ans ask the Lord to forgive them for the sin of being a drunkard and then actually stop drinking the booze.

Being an alcoholic is not a disease.... it's sin!

But you've took it to the extreme saying any amount of alcohol is bad for you.

I didn't say that.... medical science has PROOF that even small amounts of alcohol damages the body.
There is documented evidence now that proves this.

As already mentioned, everyone used to think smoking cigarettes was harmless until they started studying it and it was proven that even a few puffs from a cigarette damages the body.... so those that didn't know smoking was bad for them had no further excuse being faced with the FACT that it's harmful to your health

Now it's been proven that ANY of alcohol is harmful to your health... so those that continue to partake are willingly and knowingly damaging their body which is sinful behavior.

Real Christians understand that the body belongs to the Lord but the fake "christians" still think they belong to themselves because they have not been crucified with the Lord and raised up with Him unto newness of life.... and if they had previously they are blacksliders who have turned away from the Lord to live after the pleasures of the flesh once again.

I could list all of the damage and hurt alcohol causes to families just in the US alone. That enough is a good reason to stay away. Who has just one drink? All the time? Let's be real.

Yep, the booze drinker like to claim they only rink in "moderation" but they're all getting buzzed (drunk) but they aren't honest enough to admit it as they are being inspired by devils to advocate for continuing to drink the booze.

Intoxication is what the devil wants people to partake in as it enables his demons to enter in to these people so bring forth disgusting sinful thoughts that quickly get turned in to disgusting sinful actions

God gave us OIL and WINE to use so why denigrate what God created for our health??

The fruit of the vine that is not fermented... has many health benefits.

Alcohol has ZERO health benefits and has been proven to damage the body.

Screen time is also detrimental to one's health.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10852174/

Now that you know this, I assume we will not see you here again. I mean, Do you love the Lord or not?! If you do, you'll have to eliminate screen time from your life.

This is why I sit far away from my computer screen and I have a special cover over it that blocks harmful light to protect my eyes

The Lord brought to my attention years ago and taught me how to not have my eyes damaged... so will you be taking steps to protect your eyes or will you be throwing your computer in the trash?

Can we drink as much as Jesus did or no?

You can't prove from scripture that Jesus ever drank booze.

Keep in mind, it was impossible for booze to be served as the Last Supper.

The Mosaic Law required that all things associated with fermentation - baked
goods, yeast, AND GRAPE JUICE THAT HAD TURNED INTO BOOZE had to be removed from
their midst in preparation for the Passover, on which the Last Supper fell -

Because the sun had set by the time they were eating and drinking which means
Thursday was over and Friday had come. Any Christian worth his salt knows Jesus
was taken into custody after the Last Supper, spent the night, the morning, and
afternoon in jail, before covetous Jew farce trials, and then was crucified before
the sun set and Friday would turn into Sabbath.

You’re taking this out of context! He was speaking to the Nazarite Priests, and only when they were on duty.

They took a vow to NEVER drink the booze, ever.... not just while on duty

I'm not claiming you, but all of a sudden Christians want to be like Jesus when it comes to drinking wine.

Exactly.... the false teachers go around claiming Jesus was teaching law to the Jews and Christians should ignore the teachings of Jesus.... except they claim Jesus was a drunk so they too should be drunks.

Good point.

 

[John146]

Some foods are detrimental to people

Foods that are a detriment to society, yes. Don't cultivate them and offer them to people. Grapes are good. But the process of making alcohol, we can do without.

 

[John146]

Yes for drunkards, intoxicated with such recklessness.

Wine is a mocker. Period. There's no, "for drunkards it's a mocker." Wine is a mocker. Do not be deceived by it.

 

[John146]

I work a lot with youth. Inevitably, I will get asked, "Do you drink?" If I say, yes, but only a little and only one beer after mowing, then that young person walks away hearing, yes, he drinks. I never want to cause a young person to try it or stumble.

 

[Citizen]

I put as per my experience and the people I know....yes, I know it's not a universal truth. Safely have a few drinks? Three drinks is probably considered intoxicated. I teach a driver's ed course including drugs and alcohol. Intoxicated is not how you feel, but blood alcohol concentration.

A 200lb man could have a drink with lunch, and then many hours later have another drink with dinner and be within moderation. They may also be consuming lower alcohol drinks. Again, many things factor into it so there is no way to make a blanket statement that no one can possibly have a few drinks and not be drunk.

 

[Hakawaka]

Question: If alcohol were taken out of society, would we be better off?

Look at islamic countries, probably not. People will always sin.

 

[Aaron56]

This is why I sit far away from my computer screen and I have a special cover over it that blocks harmful light to protect my eyes

The Lord brought to my attention years ago and taught me how to not have my eyes damaged... so will you be taking steps to protect your eyes or will you be throwing your computer in the trash?

Sounds like moderation. Not good enough. You'll have to completely abstain if you truly love the Lord!

Besides, why would anyone who loves the Lord use something potentially dangerous to their health?!!! You can and should do better!

 

[Citizen]

Real Christians understand that the body belongs to the Lord but the fake "christians" still think they belong to themselves because they have not been crucified with the Lord and raised up with Him unto newness of life.... and if they had previously they are blacksliders who have turned away from the Lord to live after the pleasures of the flesh once again.

Well, you can continue condemning people to the fires of hell [which is not within your power to do] while others continue enjoying the Lord's provision in moderation and without your permission. Life moves on.

Cheers!

 

[Jordon]

... medical science has PROOF that even small amounts of alcohol damages the body.
There is documented evidence now that proves this.

well once again where is this documented evidence ? And can you show proof that' it's clinically proven.

So can you show. this or not.

And as for discussing whether drinking alcohol is a sin. How many times have you drunk it ?

 

[Aaron56]

Guys, we should all put @HigherGospel on ignore. By addressing him we are tempting him to use his computer and monitor which has been shown to emit dangerous radiation and energy frequencies. How can he remain a true believer and be on his computer? We should help him out.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Correct, but all things are lawful unto me, but not all things are expedient. We have methods for those feeling a little ill from an upset stomache other than alcohol. By the way, it is not alcohol that soothes an illness, but rather, makes one "feel better" going through it.

I have to agree with you that it's effective for some symptoms.
Cough syrup has alcohol in it and can suppress acute coughing depending on cause. It works as a vasodilator and opens up blood vessels/ capillaries. It also induces sleep. This is low dose therapeutic use rather than what they are talking about, but that came to mind when reading your considerate post.

My greater concern for some of the posters is that they look at it as a salvation issue. A couple think their behavior, keeping the law saves or keeps them saved. That's the most unhealthy belief they try to practice.

 

[TruthDefender]

One would have to twist scripture and insert into scripture things it does not say in their attempts to validate and justify putting toxic poison in their body that has been proven to be damaging to the body.

But, the fake "christians" these days specialize in accepting the wisdom of men as though it were the wisdom of the Lord so this is par for course and it's why some much false doctrine is being taught in virtually all churches now.






It's a proven fact that alcohol damages the human body....

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

This is also why "christians" that kill themselves go to hell and not to Heaven.






They are already condemned if they refuse to REPENT ans ask the Lord to forgive them for the sin of being a drunkard and then actually stop drinking the booze.

Being an alcoholic is not a disease.... it's sin!





I didn't say that.... medical science has PROOF that even small amounts of alcohol damages the body.
There is documented evidence now that proves this.

As already mentioned, everyone used to think smoking cigarettes was harmless until they started studying it and it was proven that even a few puffs from a cigarette damages the body.... so those that didn't know smoking was bad for them had no further excuse being faced with the FACT that it's harmful to your health

Now it's been proven that ANY of alcohol is harmful to your health... so those that continue to partake are willingly and knowingly damaging their body which is sinful behavior.

Real Christians understand that the body belongs to the Lord but the fake "christians" still think they belong to themselves because they have not been crucified with the Lord and raised up with Him unto newness of life.... and if they had previously they are blacksliders who have turned away from the Lord to live after the pleasures of the flesh once again.





Yep, the booze drinker like to claim they only rink in "moderation" but they're all getting buzzed (drunk) but they aren't honest enough to admit it as they are being inspired by devils to advocate for continuing to drink the booze.

Intoxication is what the devil wants people to partake in as it enables his demons to enter in to these people so bring forth disgusting sinful thoughts that quickly get turned in to disgusting sinful actions






The fruit of the vine that is not fermented... has many health benefits.

Alcohol has ZERO health benefits and has been proven to damage the body.





This is why I sit far away from my computer screen and I have a special cover over it that blocks harmful light to protect my eyes

The Lord brought to my attention years ago and taught me how to not have my eyes damaged... so will you be taking steps to protect your eyes or will you be throwing your computer in the trash?






You can't prove from scripture that Jesus ever drank booze.

Keep in mind, it was impossible for booze to be served as the Last Supper.

The Mosaic Law required that all things associated with fermentation - baked
goods, yeast, AND GRAPE JUICE THAT HAD TURNED INTO BOOZE had to be removed from
their midst in preparation for the Passover, on which the Last Supper fell -

Because the sun had set by the time they were eating and drinking which means
Thursday was over and Friday had come. Any Christian worth his salt knows Jesus
was taken into custody after the Last Supper, spent the night, the morning, and
afternoon in jail, before covetous Jew farce trials, and then was crucified before
the sun set and Friday would turn into Sabbath.




They took a vow to NEVER drink the booze, ever.... not just while on duty






Exactly.... the false teachers go around claiming Jesus was teaching law to the Jews and Christians should ignore the teachings of Jesus.... except they claim Jesus was a drunk so they too should be drunks.

Good point.

-Yes, one should stop wresting Scripture to suit their twisted, man-made doctrines!! Absolutely!!!

The Jews did this back in Jesus’ day, while He walked the earth. He accused them of following men’s traditions rather than God’s word.

Are you familiar with the Rachabites in the OT? They refused to live in houses or drink any wine—-

-But they said, We will drink no wine, for Jonadab the son of Rechab, our father, commanded us, saying, ‘You shall drink no wine, you nor your sons, forever. 35:6
-Thus we have obeyed the voice of Jonadab the son of Rechab, our father, in all that he charged us, to drink no wine all our days, we, our wives, our sons, or our daughters, nor to build ourselves houses to dwell in; nor do we have vineyard, field, or seed. But we have dwelt in tents, and have obeyed and done according to all that Jonadab our father commanded us. 35:8-10
-Surely the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded them, but this people has not obeyed Me. 35:16

 

[Citizen]

Regarding medical science and clinical studies: It's a moot point on this issue. They can come up with all the studies they want. God has already deemed alcohol permissible in moderation, so there is nothing further to be argued. When science contradicts God, God trumps science every single time. A person can abstain by choice, which is totally fine, but no one has the right to determine everyone who drinks is going to hell.

Medical science is not infallible. It's continually changing and evolving because it's continually wrong and needs to update itself. We've seen over and over the conflicting studies on alcohol - it's good, it's bad, it's heart healthy, it's poison. Anyone can create a study to fit an agenda. Those funding a study can also influence the outcome by threatening researchers with job loss unless they find the evidence to support their pre-determined conclusion. Yup... science.

I'll stick with the Bible.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Low doses is the

When it comes to alcohol, ethenol is a type of alcohol, the only credible theory I can think of alcohol having health benefits, is alcohol ethanol can be broken down into acetates which is used to help the metabolism of the body, acetates can be found in many medications including metabolism boosting medication, needed for all sorts of life threatening conditions.

The body can also convert alcohol ethanol to acetates by it's self which the body can use as metabolism energy also

It's linked to health benefits in low moderate consumption but none of its proven.

Low doses is the key.
When we use tinctures/ extracts the alcohol content is usually under a teaspoon, normally 20 ml.
The liver has to process that and many other things. However we can easily burden it and bring about fatty liver over time with continuous use. It decreases nutrients in the diet as well.

Alcoholics don't only suffer from the toxic overload, but also from malnourishment. I used a protocol for alcoholic clients to turn off the craving. It included supplementation.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

. When science contradicts God, God trumps science every single time. A person can abstain by choice, which is totally fine, but no one has the right to determine everyone who drinks is going to hell.

Science constantly changes.
That means that science so called is often wrong.
God is always right. People disagree on interpretation of the Bible. I personally don't care if you guys are drinking alcoholic wine. What is far more important is where you go when you die.

This is what keeps coming up about condemnation to Hell.

18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I think there are some who explained that they are trying to get to Heaven by keeping the law. How do you think that will work out for them?

 

[Citizen]

Guys, we should all put @HigherGospel on ignore. By addressing him we are tempting him to use his computer and monitor which has been shown to emit dangerous radiation and energy frequencies. How can he remain a true believer and be on his computer? We should help him out.

According to the study you posted, it's not just physical damage -

"Mental health hazards include increased levels of depression, anxiety, and other mood disorders. Overall well-being can also be impacted by excessive screen time, particularly when it comes to social relationships and cognitive development."

Wow! Sounds a lot like alcoholism. Even more reason to help @HigherGospel out.

 

[TruthDefender]

-"The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, saying, "Go to the house of the Rechabites, speak to them, and bring them into the house of the Lord, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink." Then I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites bowls full of wine, and cups; and I said to them, "Drink wine." But they said, "We will drink no wine, for Jonadab the son of Rechab, our father, commanded us, saying, ‘You shall drink no wine, you nor your sons, forever. You shall not build a house, sow seed, plant a vineyard, nor have any of these; but all your days you shall dwell in tents, that you may live many days in the land where you are sojourners.’ Thus we have obeyed the voice of Jonadab the son of Rechab, our father, in all that he charged us, to drink no wine all our days, we, our wives, our sons, or our daughters, nor to build ourselves houses to dwell in; nor do we have vineyard, field, or seed. But we have dwelt in tents, and have obeyed and done according to all that Jonadab our father commanded us."
Jeremiah 35:1-2, 5-10 NKJV

-"Then came the word of the Lord to Jeremiah, saying, "Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, "Will you not receive instruction to obey My words?" says the Lord. "The words of Jonadab the son of Rechab, which he commanded his sons, not to drink wine, are performed; for to this day they drink none, and obey their father’s commandment. But although I have spoken to you, rising early and speaking, you did not obey Me. I have also sent to you all My servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, ‘Turn now everyone from his evil way, amend your doings, and do not go after other gods to serve them; then you will dwell in the land which I have given you and your fathers.’ But you have not inclined your ear, nor obeyed Me. Surely the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded them, but this people has not obeyed Me." ’"
Jeremiah 35:12-16 NKJV

People, like the Jews, would rather obey the traditions of men rather than obey God.
God had something to say about that!

 

[TruthDefender]

Regarding medical science and clinical studies: It's a moot point on this issue. They can come up with all the studies they want. God has already deemed alcohol permissible in moderation, so there is nothing further to be argued. When science contradicts God, God trumps science every single time. A person can abstain by choice, which is totally fine, but no one has the right to determine everyone who drinks is going to hell.

Medical science is not infallible. It's continually changing and evolving because it's continually wrong and needs to update itself. We've seen over and over the conflicting studies on alcohol - it's good, it's bad, it's heart healthy, it's poison. Anyone can create a study to fit an agenda. Those funding a study can also influence the outcome by threatening researchers with job loss unless they find the evidence to support their pre-determined conclusion. Yup... science.

I'll stick with the Bible.

Didn’t coffee go through this too? It’s good, then it’s bad, now I believe it’s on the good side. (?)

Even the theory of evolution was proven to be incorrect, although they’re still teaching it vainly as truth…. Science is often wrong…..

 

[TruthDefender]

Low doses is the


Low doses is the key.
When we use tinctures/ extracts the alcohol content is usually under a teaspoon, normally 20 ml.
The liver has to process that and many other things. However we can easily burden it and bring about fatty liver over time with continuous use. It decreases nutrients in the diet as well.

Alcoholics don't only suffer from the toxic overload, but also from malnourishment. I used a protocol for alcoholic clients to turn off the craving. It included supplementation.

How about abstaining for a period of time?