Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.

Exactly.

Just don't tell the greasy gracers because they claim one can live in sin and still be saved.

They just claim if you do then God will "discipline" the wayward sinner (usually when they say God puts cancer on them, or kills one of their kids or some other terrible thing, you know to teach them a lesson! )
 
Exactly.

Just don't tell the greasy gracers because they claim one can live in sin and still be saved.

They just claim if you do then God will "discipline" the wayward sinner (usually when they say God puts cancer on them, or kills one of their kids or some other terrible thing, you know to teach them a lesson! )

Define "live in sin"
 
Define "live in sin"

Let's start with Adam and Eve.

How many sins did they commit before they died spiritually as God said they would if they ate of that tree???

The devil came along and claimed they would not die if they ate of that tree which was a lie and most preachers today are claming the same thing that one can sin and not die spiritually.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
 
Let's start with Adam and Eve.

How many sins did they commit before they died spiritually as God said they would if they ate of that tree???

The devil came along and claimed they would not die if they ate of that tree which was a lie and most preachers today are claming the same thing that one can sin and not die spiritually.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

It took one act of disobedience to produce spiritual death in Adam and Eve. Unlike them, we were already spiritually dead, but have been made spiritually alive in Christ. One act of disobedience doesn't change that. That's why I asked you to define what living in sin means.
 
Let's start with Adam and Eve.

How many sins did they commit before they died spiritually as God said they would if they ate of that tree???

The devil came along and claimed they would not die if they ate of that tree which was a lie and most preachers today are claming the same thing that one can sin and not die spiritually.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

OK. You believe one sin is 'living in sin.
So then, how do you define "advocate"?
 
Great Man of God went Home to his Maker...enjoy Paradise Brother Voddie Baucham! We will worship God together one of these days..
 
Great Man of God went Home to his Maker...enjoy Paradise Brother Voddie Baucham! We will worship God together one of these days..
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Exactly.

Just don't tell the greasy gracers because they claim one can live in sin and still be saved.

They just claim if you do then God will "discipline" the wayward sinner (usually when they say God puts cancer on them, or kills one of their kids or some other terrible thing, you know to teach them a lesson! )
I do not believe the born again ones are to continue to "live in sin" ... the epistles teach the born again ones how to live in the new life created within at the time we were born again.

I also believe that if a born again sins, he or she is still a born again child of God ... however, the fellowship between the Father and the believer is affected. God gives instruction to the believer in that case ... and God chastens His children.

Kind of like when we raise our own children. if/when they do not obey, we discipline them ... but they are still our children.

Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
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Great Man of God went Home to his Maker...enjoy Paradise Brother Voddie Baucham! We will worship God together one of these days..
1 Thessalonians 4:14-18 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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And there we go. We have an admission.....
Not a confession, an admission. Big difference.

Well, yeah, most definitely. So, whichever one it is, I'll happily yell it out loudly, because I've been justified by Christ and by His righteousness, and thankfully, not my own.
 
The doctrine has many contradictions (regeneration is not cleansing/new life because they were already in Christ)

Romans 11:17-24
natural branches can be broken off and grafted in again.

a branch in that state has always been a part of the olive tree, yet is newly made a part of the olive tree.

contradiction? or looking at it from the wrong perspective?

did God elect Paul?
he was formerly outside of the faith, and then in. but God chose him to be His instrument - - when did omniscient God, creator of Paul, decide this?
 
did God elect Paul?
he was formerly outside of the faith, and then in. but God chose him to be His instrument - - when did omniscient God, creator of Paul, decide this?

only after Paul proved himself to be an utterly unworthy unbeliever with zero faith, actively murdering anyone who he could find that believed?

or possibly at some point before Paul proved he was never going to choose Christ of his own accord?
 
No one wins eternal life.

If you really wanted to present a case for your doctrine, you would steel man the opposing view rather than make these statements which are not at all what traditional evangelical doctrine teaches.

a lot of evangelicals hold reformed theology.

evangelicalism isn't synonymous with pelagian synergism.
 
  • God calls death an enemy
  • God calls Adam the first man

I made sure to say.....

Jeremiah 4:25

Professor Stan Ashby exegeted and explained how the term "no man was found" was speaking of a generic term/form for a man.
The word Adam was not used. But it can be translated "man."
 
for what great sin do you suppose God covered the earth in a flood of water in Genesis 1, before creating the first man, Adam?

The angels in the prehistoric creation had dominion over all the animals, like Adam had dominion in this creation.

Satan rebelled against the authority of God and took many angels with him.
Then, God had that created world destroyed in a universal flood.

That is why we see Genesis beginning with....

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form,​
and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.​
And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.​

6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.”​
7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which​
were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning​
were the second day.​
9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”;​
and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God​
saw that it was good.​
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What really diminishes the glory of God is making His offer of salvation to all who trust in Him for the free gift, only available to those He has pre-selected.

Exodus 16:4​
Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
does omniscient God, Who created each soul, already know the answer?