Saved by faith alone?

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My point is people should not be directed to the God Questions website to assess whether baptism is necessary for salvation when scripture reveals and confirms the answer:

"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11
Got Questions is a website that is run by Christians and that article quotes scripture to confirm whether those things were so. (Acts 17:11) Isolating part of a verse taken out of context and failing to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine is not one confirms the answer and is also not being a good Berean.

As for the Got Questions website: Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.
 
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Still, faith alone doesn't save nor is God's grace applied automatically. It still requires us doing our part which involves obedience; obedience in this case and in this era of NT salvation requires more than just faith. Belief, faith, confession of belief, repentance, and immersion into Christ, baptism, for the remission of sins.
Our part? Grace is God's part and faith is man's part. So, faith + obedience/works? There it is! Salvation by faith AND works. The Bible clearly states in many passages of scripture that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (Luke 7:50; 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 11:17; 13:39; 15:9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-9, 26; Ephesians 2:8; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

Now we don't need to add the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Hence, FAITH ALONE. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus works? NO. So, then it's faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.

Repentance is a "change of mind" which "precedes" faith. (Acts 20:21) Two sides to the same coin. Confession with our mouth and belief in our heart are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. (Romans 10:8-10) Water baptism "follows" salvation through belief/faith. (Acts 10:43-47) Nobody is saying "faith alone" in the sense that we have faith, but we never repented, or that the word of faith is in our heart but not in our mouth or that we are saved by a bare profession of faith that remains "alone" barren of works. (James 2:14) Works-salvationists just cannot seem to grasp the fact that we are saved the very moment that we place our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) We are justified (accounted as righteous) by faith and not by works (Romans 5:1) and we have access by faith into grace and not faith and works. (Romans 5:2) Simple! ✝️
 
did you read what the word of God said

He believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.

you want to do the work of water baptism and think God will merit you salvation. feel free.

I will pray for you to repent and come to Jesus based on his work and his work alone
Nothing yo repent of. I'm simply adhering to the words of the bible which say exactly as I stated as required. Belief and faith, confession of belief as the Ethiopian eunuch did in Acts 8 and consistent with Romans 10:9-10, repentance per Acts 2:38 and baptism also per Acts 2:38 and as the Lord commanded in Mark 16:15-16.
 
Does the phrase, "saved by faith" equivalent to the term, "saved by faith alone"?

I used a bible verse search program for the exact phrase: "saved by faith" & no results were found.

Eph 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

GRACE:

KJV Dictionary Definition: grace
grace
GRACE, n. L. gratia, which is formed on the Celtic; Eng. agree, congruous, and ready. The primary sense of gratus, is free, ready, quick, willing, prompt, from advancing.
1. Favor; good will; kindness; disposition to oblige another; as a grant made as an act of grace.
Or each, or all, may win a lady's grace.

2. Appropriately, the free unmerited love and favor of God, the spring and source of all the benefits men receive from him.
And if by grace, then it is no more of works. Rom.11.
GRACE - Definition from the KJV Dictionary

GRACE is a FREE GIFT given by a sovereign God.

Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Rom 3:24 Being """justified freely by his grace""" through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

GRACE a FREE GIFT given by a sovereign God.

God's GREE GIFT Of GRACE is accessed through FAITH in the sin atoning work of Jesus the Christ & His resurrection from the Grave

Rom 5:
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Rom 10:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Jesus did/does ALL the WORK & deserves ALL the Credit/Praise/Honor & Glory. Amen
 
Nothing yo repent of.
It is truly sad if you truly believe this

I'm simply adhering to the words of the bible which say exactly as I stated as required. Belief and faith, confession of belief as the Ethiopian eunuch did in Acts 8 and consistent with Romans 10:9-10, repentance per Acts 2:38 and baptism also per Acts 2:38 and as the Lord commanded in Mark 16:15-16.
Your truly doing what Jesus said in John 1, John 3, John 4, John 5, John 6, and what paul said in Romans 4, Titus 3, Eph 2 etc etc?

no you are not doing them, you have added to what Jesus said
 
so Abraham receiving the righteousness of God (Justification is the legal term) does not mean he was saved?

when you do not want to see it. you never will. I guess when your trying to get saved by your own righteousness. this makes sense.

Good luck with that

I don't see "Abraham received the righteousness of God" in those verses you posted either. I do see that "Abraham's faith was credited to Abraham as righteousness." So it was not God's own righteousness credited to Abraham, but Abraham's own faith that was credited to Abraham as righteousness."

I am reading what's there. You seem to be reading into those verses things that are not there.
 
I don't see "Abraham received the righteousness of God" in those verses you posted either. I do see that "Abraham's faith was credited to Abraham as righteousness." So it was not God's own righteousness credited to Abraham, but Abraham's own faith that was credited to Abraham as righteousness."

I am reading what's there. You seem to be reading into those verses things that are not there.
Who and what were the source of the righteousness?
 
Who and what were the source of the righteousness?

Gen 15: 6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

Rom 4:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted [c]as grace but as debt.


5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.

It looks to me that the text says Abraham's faith was the source of his righteousness. God judged Abraham's faith as righteousness.
And our faith, if we believe in Him who raised up our Lord Jesus from the dead, is imputed to us as righteousness

How does it look to you? Show me where you see what you see in the texts EG posted to me.
 
*So, by Peter saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony in H20.

How does this verse guard against (attributing?) saving power to the physical ceremony in H2O ?

How does one become spiritually whole/saved without having a clean conscience? And why would someone whose conscience is already clean appeal to God for a clean conscience by getting baptised?
 
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How does this verse guard against (attributing?) saving power to the physical ceremony in H2O ?
The mere mechanical act of being water baptized is not what literally saves us, as Peter clarified, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ". Baptism only saves in the sense that it signifies inward faith as evidenced by one's appeal to God for a good conscience, as it is grounded in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Baptism symbolizes one's union with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection. So, baptism, which is a figure, saves us "by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." In other words, the figure of baptism sets forth the truth that it is the resurrection of Christ from the dead that literally saves. So, why all the extra verbiage in 1 Peter 3:21 if Peter simply meant to say that we are literally saved by the mechanical act of being water baptized?

How does one become spiritually whole/saved without having a clean conscience? And why would someone whose conscience is already clean appeal to God for a clean conscience by getting baptized?
The submission of one in baptism is "the answer [response] of a good conscience toward God." The conscience is good before baptism. Hearts are purified by faith. (Acts 15:9) Baptism is a figure, not the reality. It figures salvation, the same as Noah’s ark figures salvation. Noah built the ark, thus typifying the work of Christ in providing salvation for His own people. Noah and his family were in the ark before the flood came and so were saved through water as they were in the ark. Their salvation from death therefore was not literally by the water, but by the ark. (Hebrews 11:7)
 
The mere mechanical act of being water baptized is not what literally saves us, as Peter clarified, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ". Baptism only saves in the sense that it signifies inward faith as evidenced by one's appeal to God for a good conscience, as it is grounded in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Baptism symbolizes one's union with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection. So, baptism, which is a figure, saves us "by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." In other words, the figure of baptism sets forth the truth that it is the resurrection of Christ from the dead that literally saves. So, why all the extra verbiage in 1 Peter 3:21 if Peter simply meant to say that we are literally saved by the mechanical act of being water baptized?

The submission of one in baptism is "the answer [response] of a good conscience toward God." The conscience is good before baptism. Hearts are purified by faith. (Acts 15:9) Baptism is a figure, not the reality. It figures salvation, the same as Noah’s ark figures salvation. Noah built the ark, thus typifying the work of Christ in providing salvation for His own people. Noah and his family were in the ark before the flood came and so were saved through water as they were in the ark. Their salvation from death therefore was not literally by the water, but by the ark. (Hebrews 11:7)

Just a lexical question: do you see an appeal and an answer to be the same thing?
 
It is truly sad if you truly believe this


Your truly doing what Jesus said in John 1, John 3, John 4, John 5, John 6, and what paul said in Romans 4, Titus 3, Eph 2 etc etc?

no you are not doing them, you have added to what Jesus said
It's truly sad you either can't read or can't understand the English language
The mere mechanical act of being water baptized is not what literally saves us, as Peter clarified, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ". Baptism only saves in the sense that it signifies inward faith as evidenced by one's appeal to God for a good conscience, as it is grounded in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Baptism symbolizes one's union with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection. So, baptism, which is a figure, saves us "by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." In other words, the figure of baptism sets forth the truth that it is the resurrection of Christ from the dead that literally saves. So, why all the extra verbiage in 1 Peter 3:21 if Peter simply meant to say that we are literally saved by the mechanical act of being water baptized?

The submission of one in baptism is "the answer [response] of a good conscience toward God." The conscience is good before baptism. Hearts are purified by faith. (Acts 15:9) Baptism is a figure, not the reality. It figures salvation, the same as Noah’s ark figures salvation. Noah built the ark, thus typifying the work of Christ in providing salvation for His own people. Noah and his family were in the ark before the flood came and so were saved through water as they were in the ark. Their salvation from death therefore was not literally by the water, but by the ark. (Hebrews 11:7)
No obe ever said or claimed water immersion was akin to taking a bath to remove dirt; that's ridiculous! Nevertheless, the scripture, 1 Peter 3:21, CLEARLY, says it saves us then goes on to explain why, but it SAVES us nevertheless, and that's the important distinction to be made and gleaned from the scripture.
 
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Gen 15: 6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

Rom 4:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted [c]as grace but as debt.


5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.

It looks to me that the text says Abraham's faith was the source of his righteousness. God judged Abraham's faith as righteousness.
And our faith, if we believe in Him who raised up our Lord Jesus from the dead, is imputed to us as righteousness

How does it look to you? Show me where you see what you see in the texts EG posted to me.
I haven't said what I see.

Faith itself comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. So faith is a product of the word of God giving hearing, and that hearing producing faith.
If something is imputed to someone, then there is an imputor and an imputee. Since we know faith itself cannot impute anything, and we know that Abraham is the imputee, you still need to find the imputor.
 
Just a lexical question: do you see an appeal and an answer to be the same thing?
Just a lexical question: do you see an appeal and an answer to be the same thing?
The Greek word eperōtēma can be translated as "appeal," "answer," or "pledge," and its usage in conjunction with a "good conscience" signifies a sincere commitment. This commitment is expressed and signified in baptism.
 
It's truly sad you either can't read or can't understand the English language

No obe ever said or claimed water immersion was akin to taking a bath to remove dirt; that's ridiculous! Nevertheless, the scripture, 1 Peter 3:21, CLEARLY, says it saves us then goes on to explain why, but it SAVES us nevertheless, and that's the important distinction to be made and gleaned from the scripture.
Peter goes on to explain in what sense that it saves us -- (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

So, it's not the mechanical act of being water baptized that literally saves us.

A man and a woman become united through their wedding vows and the ring symbolizes this. Just as we become united with Christ through faith and water baptism symbolizes this. A symbol is not the reality, but is a picture of the reality.
 
The Greek word eperōtēma is used only once in the NT (1 Peter 3:21) and only once in the LXX where it is translated demand

This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men. Daniel 4:17
 
The Greek word eperōtēma can be translated as "appeal," "answer," or "pledge," and its usage in conjunction with a "good conscience" signifies a sincere commitment. This commitment is expressed and signified in baptism.

Thanks, but is an appeal and an answer the same thing in English? Here's the translation issue evidenced:

NKJ 1 Peter 3:21 There is also an antitype which now saves us-- baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

NET 1 Peter 3:21 And this prefigured baptism, which now saves you– not the washing off of physical dirt but the pledge of a good conscience to God– through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

ESV 1 Peter 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

In English, those are 3 different concepts. As usual in English there may be some overlaps. But the question as usual for us is what exactly is Peter saying this saving baptism is? And what does he mean by "saves"?
 
The Greek word eperōtēma is used only once in the NT (1 Peter 3:21) and only once in the LXX where it is translated demand

This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men. Daniel 4:17

Good catch. I wasn't seeing the LXX use in the search I did. What are you using that picked it up?

The Hebrew equivalent: she’elāh request, demand.

Based upon this usage it would seem "appeal" or "request" would be the best translation which was my conclusion years ago when I studied this verse in regard to baptism I was asked to do. I'll tell you that it caused me to put together some classroom type instruction re: baptism that I would give before I would baptize and that part of this was letting the ones being baptized know that I would be asking them to make a request and what that request was. As in all such instruction I would instruct of the seriousness of everything to do with God's Word and what we are getting involved in.

So, starting with this interpretation, the question becomes how to translate the entire verse in context, so we understand what the appeal is, so we can correlate it to baptism, so we can understand how and why it saves and what saves means.

Any takers to work through the language and try to understand all this, I'll join in with.